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[EpicBoot2daFace]

Last Vizard wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Let's be blunt. It would be a pain in the ass to import the Warden into DA3. Plus, with the re-design of the elves, anyone who played as one would likely have to re-create that character from scratch. It's not worth it.

Let's move forward and understand that the Warden's story is over. It's also very likely that Hawke's story is over. I mean, if they bring Hawke back in DA3 but don't let you play as him/her, Hawke will end up saying something out of character and people will start ****ing about that.

So, let's just leave them behind and move forward with the next chapter of the story. This isn't Mass Effect. You aren't playing as one character throughout all three games.

Uh huh, I'd like more closure if characters are just going to be thrown away because keeping track of choices in sequels.

Yes, everyone wants closure and all the questions answered. But we rarely ever get that. Welcome to the world of video games.

... Actually I'm talking about the characters and not the world and if there is even a god in DA universe,  Halo 3 was not an ending so I sat back waiting for Halo 4 while my friends said it was over... no, a character floating in the ass end of a ship in deepspace is not good enough.

Warden and Hawke fading into the mists of time isn't good enough especially because they HAVE the power to alter the outcome of DAs chaos,  is Morrigan going to ditch the Warden for some french guy while raising the god child?

Again, there isn't much you can do about it. If you want complete control I suggest you write your own stories.

[Allan Schumacher]

Last Vizard wrote...

Uh huh, I'd like more closure if characters are just going to be thrown away because keeping track of choices in sequels.

It's tricky to provide closure for the Warden if we aren't wanting to make the game about the Warden again.  Telling you explicitly what happens is a huge risk and generally not worth it.

[Last Vizard]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Let's be blunt. It would be a pain in the ass to import the Warden into DA3. Plus, with the re-design of the elves, anyone who played as one would likely have to re-create that character from scratch. It's not worth it.

Let's move forward and understand that the Warden's story is over. It's also very likely that Hawke's story is over. I mean, if they bring Hawke back in DA3 but don't let you play as him/her, Hawke will end up saying something out of character and people will start ****ing about that.

So, let's just leave them behind and move forward with the next chapter of the story. This isn't Mass Effect. You aren't playing as one character throughout all three games.

Uh huh, I'd like more closure if characters are just going to be thrown away because keeping track of choices in sequels.

Yes, everyone wants closure and all the questions answered. But we rarely ever get that. Welcome to the world of video games.

... Actually I'm talking about the characters and not the world and if there is even a god in DA universe,  Halo 3 was not an ending so I sat back waiting for Halo 4 while my friends said it was over... no, a character floating in the ass end of a ship in deepspace is not good enough.

Warden and Hawke fading into the mists of time isn't good enough especially because they HAVE the power to alter the outcome of DAs chaos,  is Morrigan going to ditch the Warden for some french guy while raising the god child?

Again, there isn't much you can do about it. If you want complete control I suggest you write your own stories.

Fan fiction? don't think so mate, feels like the guy that steals your jokes and one liners.   Playing a game where you never know what happens to the main character is just a waste of time, like reading a novel series only to find out the author died before he finished...  Wasted time and thats what the last couple of games have felt like, I play trilogy games so I can follow the main character/s and take part in how their story plays out.

Would DA 3 story be better severd being its own game?  This story carries on from Hawke and the Warden so for them to just dissappear isn't right, why not just have character creation for the two and voice actors then the whole thing is in order again?

[EpicBoot2daFace]

It's not that easy. You can't just tell the player to re-create their Warden or Hawke for DA3. Even if they could do that, there would still be a disconnect because it still isn't the character you made in the previous games. It's pointless and would serve no one.

They'll be mentioned in DA3 as having a strong impact on the world, just like the Warden was mentioned a few times in DA2. Again, this isn't Mass Effect. It isn't about continuing the story as the Warden or as Hawke throughout the trilogy. Accept it.

[Genuine UK]

im sure they stated the warden and Hawk would be into not sure how much tho

[Last Vizard]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Last Vizard wrote...

Uh huh, I'd like more closure if characters are just going to be thrown away because keeping track of choices in sequels.

It's tricky to provide closure for the Warden if we aren't wanting to make the game about the Warden again.  Telling you explicitly what happens is a huge risk and generally not worth it.

How many games of Dragon age will there be, is DA3 the last or will there be DA 4-6?  the time frame grows shorter for the story to resolve itself.   My Warden allowed the bloodmage grey warden to stay in the tower and continue his research and many other things that would have a massive impact on the choatic world of DA.  Hawke and the Warden were mages, one save Feraldan and the other was dragged into the beggining of the chaos.

Two powerful characters don't just disappear from the world, I fear the story in DA3 will just feel forced to anyone that had multiple play throughs,  the God Child... will he arrive in DA 4 or was DA 1-2 a waste of time and will DA3 be as meaningless to DA 4 as DA 1-2 were to this third game?

[Wulfram]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

It's tricky to provide closure
for the Warden if we aren't wanting to make the game about the Warden
again.  Telling you explicitly what happens is a huge risk and generally not worth it.

My Warden had plenty of closure at the end of DA:O. It was then screwed up by Awakening and then even more screwed up by the bloody stupid bit at the end of DA2.

If Bioware didn't have any actual, major, plans for the Warden then they should have left them alone, not vanished them for a cheap sequel hook.

Modifié par Wulfram, 20 septembre 2012 - 10:35 .

[Allan Schumacher]

In what ways did you not receive closure after DAO Last Vizard?

IIRC there was an awful lot of closure in the epilogue slides.


EDIT:  Awakening is the cause Wulfram?

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 20 septembre 2012 - 10:37 .

[Last Vizard]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

It's not that easy. You can't just tell the player to re-create their Warden or Hawke for DA3. Even if they could do that, there would still be a disconnect because it still isn't the character you made in the previous games. It's pointless and would serve no one.

They'll be mentioned in DA3 as having a strong impact on the world, just like the Warden was mentioned a few times in DA2. Again, this isn't Mass Effect. It isn't about continuing the story as the Warden or as Hawke throughout the trilogy. Accept it.

It was stated at the begging of DA: O that it was about the world, the story has started to fall apart and is just becoming a mess.  Very little continuity apart from very broad descriptions of events, names of landmasses and such.

[Last Vizard]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

In what ways did you not receive closure after DAO Last Vizard?

IIRC there was an awful lot of closure in the epilogue slides.


EDIT:  Awakening is the cause Wulfram?

I'll get back to you on that, I've written up a large post after finishing DA2 the first time and brought up many issues with a diverging story about the world of DA.

[Jerrybnsn]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Splitting hairs over whether or not it is a "saga" or a "series" in their very literal (rather than colloquial) usage is kind of distracting the thread, isn't it?

I'm sorry I missed your post Allen.  I must have just gotten offline minutes before you posted.
 
The reason the whole saga vs series came up in the returning Warden and Hawke thread was because of a question to what kind of series is Dragon Age suppose to be?

I too was under the impression that the Dragon Age series was going to be an epic saga connected by the characters and events experience.  Just like the high fantasy sagas that I read when I was younger.  But in a video game, I wouldn't be just reading it, I was actually participating in it and help shaping that world of Dragon Age.  I think  what all sagas have is that something keeps all the series connected by characters, and mostly a single hero that live through an epic story.

[Wulfram]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

EDIT:  Awakening is the cause Wulfram?

Yeah.  The DA:A epilogues were all about the Warden dissappearing for some unknown reason.  But still don't fit particularly well with the Warden vanishing for some unknown reason in DA2.

[Killer3000ad]

Inb4 Warden/Hawke gets the Rachni Queen treatment.

[jkflipflopDAO]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

In what ways did you not receive closure after DAO Last Vizard?

IIRC there was an awful lot of closure in the epilogue slides.


EDIT:  Awakening is the cause Wulfram?

I think the ending of DAO was one of the best ever. You have a wide range of ways to bring the story to a close, and if you live you get to talk to all the characters one last time before they go off and do whatever. The slides did add some closure to the situation as well. 

The only thing that really steamed my beans was the Morrigan / OGB thread not being sewn up in the WH DLC. Morrigan was an exceptional character that I really bonded with when playing as my blood mage. I actually cried at the end when she did when we were saying our last good-byes. Then I hear there's going to be a DLC that answers all my questions about Morrigan?! SQUEE!

The great revelation I get from her is that Flemeth is still alive? OK. We all knew that anyways. She has a functional Aluvian that she's going to travel through to someplace she won't talk about. The End.

WTF was that crap?

DA2's ending sucked. It just kind of fizzles out. I'm forced into picking one of two sides when I don't really give a crap about either of them - and my final reward for fighting someone else's war is watching them raised to power and then some crappy slides that don't really tell you anything? Boy oh boy, I can't wait to do THAT again :/

[Xewaka]

Killer3000ad wrote...
Inb4 Warden/Hawke gets the Rachni Queen treatment.

If anything, that'll happen to the Old God Baby. Because well, if they were planning on doing the import thing from game to game, leaving that kind of decision open was kinda dumb (No offense), in the sense that the two branches are simply too different to allow the usual (small) degree of flexibility other branching points offer.

Modifié par Xewaka, 20 septembre 2012 - 11:07 .

[Nyxia]

I love Hawke, please keep him as the protagonist.

[Jerrybnsn]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

In what ways did you not receive closure after DAO Last Vizard?

The great revelation I get from her is that Flemeth is still alive? OK. We all knew that anyways. She has a functional Aluvian that she's going to travel through to someplace she won't talk about. The End.

WTF was that crap?

DA2's ending sucked. It just kind of fizzles out. I'm forced into picking one of two sides when I don't really give a crap about either of them - and my final reward for fighting someone else's war is watching them raised to power and then some crappy slides that don't really tell you anything? Boy oh boy, I can't wait to do THAT again :/

This.

This is the whole point of those asking for the Warden and Hawke back.  The ending of DA:O, while ending on a high note and with prologued slide shows, began opening a lot of doors to the continuation of the series that were related to the Warden.  And Witch Hunt didn't do us any favors by leaving us with more questions and answering nothing.

The DA2 story didn't fit as a sequel, since there were no returning characters or picking up the plotlines of the open doors that Origins and Awakengings left us.  It was more of just a spinoff, with  a seperate (disjointed) story instead.  And, like Witch Hunt, left us with more questions about the Warden.

So forgive us if we want to see the Warden and carryout some type of relevency to the Dragon Age series.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 20 septembre 2012 - 11:17 .

[abnocte]

Is bioware really done with the warden and hawke?

I certainly hope so.

I don't care much for Hawke, but no way in hell I want to see any of my Wardens come back with some generic voice and being rail-roaded into "diplomatic/sarcastic/aggressive" personalities...

And I did feel clousure for all my Wardens, except the one that romanced Morrigan, but that's just the way Bioware decided to "close" that chapter.

Also have in mind that 7-10 have past since the Warden's story and he/she may as well have gone to the Deep Roads already...

On other hand, Bioware has stated that, as long as DA franchise is successful, they plan on telling us different stories happening in Thedas, so nothing forbids them of closing those "loose ends" through other main character in a future game.

[Madosu]

Their story as main characters is clearly over, but they are certainly still very important to the story, since whatever happened to them are very important to the rest of the world.

[FlyinElk212]

You know, throwing away the characters (aka not using them in primary roles in future DA games) worked for Dragon Age: Origins because each character was given closure within the final scenes, and you knew what each character intended on doing with their epilogue chats at the end of the game.

Such closure WASN'T provided for the characters in DA2, as the final chats with you party members basically stated, "Wow, Hawke, look how far we've come" and not what they planned on doing in the future. The closure for those characters was never given, particularly because their stories aren't over--especially Hawke's, who the Seekers believe is integral in ending the war b/w Mages and Templars.

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 20 septembre 2012 - 12:25 .

[Last Vizard]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

In what ways did you not receive closure after DAO Last Vizard?

IIRC there was an awful lot of closure in the epilogue slides.


EDIT:  Awakening is the cause Wulfram?

DA: O Warden
Warden's class - Arcane Warrior, a lost art taught to him by a tortured Elf spirit in a vial, combine that with a spell and skill build I was messing around with and he becomes a one mage army.

Warden's Peak - Warden bloodmage living for 300 years, my Warden told him to continue research and made it clear he wanted power, this will allow my Warden to potentially live forever or atleast 300+ years.

Witch Hunt/Morrigan romance/God child - My Warden will live for many centuries thanks to the research on the "taint" and I'm sure Morrigan will live forever like her grandmother.  Enter the living God she is raising who i'm sure like any child will want to know where the father is.

Warden Mage being friends with the King of Feraldan, when the chaos begins I could see Feraldan becoming a safe having for mages.  No mage is more powerful than the Warden therefore the King will be protected from blood magic. 

The King used to be a Templar aswell, Feraldan should atleast have the benift of both sides trying to settle things diplomatically.  Templar and mage saved the country together, gota count for something.

DA: Awakening
Not sure if this one can even count, either way there are some powerful darkspawn crawling their way under each nation.  The Warden can have some promising dialouge with the architect (spelling?), making him an important link for future darkspawn incursions.

DA 2
Hawke's class - Mage

Hawke was part of the initial spark that caused the chaos and the Warden knows Anders aswell.  Hawke also meets Alistair briefly.  Hawke knows and helps Flemeth....

DA 3
Inquisitor - Morrigan romance? this would be out of character and feel as forced as Anders turning .  I don't know what kind of story BW has come up with to straighten this all out but the Warden and Hawke can't just disappear.  They are powerful mages, too well known, respected/hated to fade out of the spotlight during the greatest anarchy the world has seen. (they were roughly good guys aswell so they wouldn't be able to stop themselves from helping).

I don't know what the numbers of disillusioned BW fans are but i'm sure I'm not the only one waiting for critical reviews and let's plays before I start throwing money at BW like I used to.

DA 4
Warden, Morrigan, God child, Hawke, Sandal and the Inquisitor restore the fade?

Modifié par Last Vizard, 20 septembre 2012 - 12:48 .

[Il Divo]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

This.

This is the whole point of those asking for the Warden and Hawke back.  The ending of DA:O, while ending on a high note and with prologued slide shows, began opening a lot of doors to the continuation of the series that were related to the Warden.  And Witch Hunt didn't do us any favors by leaving us with more questions and answering nothing.

.

You're confusing a cliffhanger and a plothook. This isn't Star Wars Episode V; Bioware did not leave us on a point where the conflict at the start of the story was unresolved hence there was no requirement that they continue the Warden's story. What they did was give every character a jumping off point for a new story, which isn't necessary for them to tell us in future games especially considering the diverse arrange of routes a character can take. This was one of the more annoying aspects of DA:O that (somehow) all Wardens wound up at the same point, though solved by using an Orlesian Warden.

And sure, Witch Hunt caused its own host of idiotic problems (terrible dlc in my opinion), but in general the OGB business is a problem because potential implications are larger than just spending the rest of your life with Zevran or something similar. But, aside from death itself, what do people here consider to be adequate closure for the Warden that they would accept they don't need another story?

[Reaverwind]

 

Madosu wrote...

Their story as main characters is clearly over, but they are certainly still very important to the story, since whatever happened to them are very important to the rest of the world.

Says who?

Il Divo wrote...

You're confusing a cliffhanger and a plothook. This isn't Star Wars Episode V; Bioware did not leave us on a point where the conflict at the start of the story was unresolved hence there was no requirement that they continue the Warden's story. What they did was give every character a jumping off point for a new story, which isn't necessary for them to tell us in future games especially considering the diverse arrange of routes a character can take. This was one of the more annoying aspects of DA:O that (somehow) all Wardens wound up at the same point, though solved by using an Orlesian Warden.

And sure, Witch Hunt caused its own host of idiotic problems (terrible dlc in my opinion), but in general the OGB business is a problem because potential implications are larger than just spending the rest of your life with Zevran or something similar. But, aside from death itself, what do people here consider to be adequate closure for the Warden that they would accept they don't need another story?

Just ignore the Awakening ending - it's what I do.

[Last Vizard]

Il Divo wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

This.

This is the whole point of those asking for the Warden and Hawke back.  The ending of DA:O, while ending on a high note and with prologued slide shows, began opening a lot of doors to the continuation of the series that were related to the Warden.  And Witch Hunt didn't do us any favors by leaving us with more questions and answering nothing.

.

You're confusing a cliffhanger and a plothook. This isn't Star Wars Episode V; Bioware did not leave us on a point where the conflict at the start of the story was unresolved hence there was no requirement that they continue the Warden's story. What they did was give every character a jumping off point for a new story, which isn't necessary for them to tell us in future games especially considering the diverse arrange of routes a character can take. This was one of the more annoying aspects of DA:O that (somehow) all Wardens wound up at the same point, though solved by using an Orlesian Warden.

And sure, Witch Hunt caused its own host of idiotic problems (terrible dlc in my opinion), but in general the OGB business is a problem because potential implications are larger than just spending the rest of your life with Zevran or something similar. But, aside from death itself, what do people here consider to be adequate closure for the Warden that they would accept they don't need another story?

I would prefer it if they just made totally differen't universes to play in or have large time skips of hundreds of years, a plot established for each game before they start making the first game so continuity isn't broken.   We were given more options than they could deliver on and that was a mistake on their part, we "complain" now because its broken.   I find it more strange that political correctness and consumerism seem to have merged together forming a new norm in which you're expected to swallow everything and be happy for what you get.

Supply and Demand, we should always be demanding better quality as consumers and its up to the company to supply that demand or its customers will go elsewhere.   No, that wasn't a lame threat I'm just telling it like it is.

Modifié par Last Vizard, 20 septembre 2012 - 12:49 .

[Fawx9]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

In what ways did you not receive closure after DAO Last Vizard?

IIRC there was an awful lot of closure in the epilogue slides.


EDIT:  Awakening is the cause Wulfram?

Stop reusing characters that my wardens are supposed to be off adventuring with.

Or give a better reason than they abandoned said LI/friend and dissapeard.

Modifié par Fawx9, 20 septembre 2012 - 01:08 .