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[StElmo]

I have total respect for how Female Hawke in DA2 initially dresses quite tough! (no boob shaped armor, or scantily clad attire - thank god!).

I had a little problem with not being able to maker her bulkier, a claymore wielding warrior would be bulkier, but alas, it's a minor concern, given how appreciative I am of the armor designs.

That said, there are a few moments where I think character designs over step the mark in relation to being exploitive of sexualized design, rather then natural or believable.

ME3 had a huge problem with making it's female characters bustier and less "natural" and therefore less "grounded" in comparison to the first game. I like believable characters, not manipulative designs seeking to attract my attention in all the wrong ways.

Make good characters through good writing, sure they can look beautiful, but only in the most practical sense of the word. A warrior on the front lines of a war would not be wearing heavy makeup for instance, or a chainmail bikini

By all means have romances, sex scenes and all that - but treat us like adults, not teenagers. 

Just a heads up, I do not expect BW to make DA3 more sexualized.

Modifié par StElmo, 18 septembre 2012 - 04:50 .

[David Gaider]

StElmo wrote...
I have total respect for how Female Hawke in DA2 initially dresses quite tough! (no boob shaped armor, or scantily clad attire - thank god!).

I had a little problem with not being able to maker her bulkier, a claymore wielding warrior would be bulkier, but alas, it's a minor concern, given how appreciative I am of the armor designs.

That said, there are a few moments where I think character designs over step the mark in relation to being exploitive of sexualized design, rather then natural or believable.

ME3 had a huge problem with making it's female characters bustier and less "natural" and therefore less "grounded" in comparison to the first game. I like believable characters, not manipulative designs seeking to attract my attention in all the wrong ways.

Make good characters through good writing, sure they can look beautiful, but only in the most practical sense of the word. A warrior on the front lines of a war would not be wearing heavy makeup for instance, or a chainmail bikini

By all means have romances, sex scenes and all that - but treat us like adults, not teenagers. 

Just a heads up, I do not expect BW to make DA3 more sexualized.

I get what you're saying. Personally, I have no problem with "sexy" female characters... so long as it's consistent for the character and there is diversity in the representation. One must have Avelines as well as Isabelas. And thus I think we've done pretty good on that front.

I don't think one would get much traction with the suggestion that there should be no sexualization, or defining where the line is. There definitely is a line, however, between exploitation and idealization... particularly when it comes to female characters (which are generally the former) and male characters (which are generally the latter), so it's easy to see why anyone might be sensitive to such depictions.

[John Epler]

I think we're done here.

For the record, in the future, let's try to avoid suggestions that 'oh well gay/lesbian people have X personality trait/dress like Y/like Z', as the amount of influence that someone's sexuality has over their personality beyond 'they are attracted to gender A/B' is nil, and suggesting otherwise comes troublingly close to trying to establish them as a specific 'other', rather than as just people like everyone else.

Now if someone wants to discuss objectification and sexuality in character design without going down that route, you are welcome to start a new topic.