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syllogi wrote...

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And your bigoted, rude, add fifty other names to the list, if you're not able to hear opinions that don't agree with yours. Yeah, now I'm going to defend them without reading half their posts, because bullies can go s*ck an egg.


LOL, if you are going to attack blindly, am I supposed to care?  Calling a woman who dresses appropriately for battle "manly" and a "lesbian" is in fact homophobic.  Perhaps it hits too close to home for you to hear anyone call out homophobia?  Sorry for your blind hatred.


Calling an armor/clothing aesthetic 'manly' is now homophobic? Ha ha ha.

Sorry for your tunnel vision worldview.

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Personally in DAO and DA2 I didn't think any of the characters were overly sexualised at all. Even Isabela, because the characters that did have strong sexualities worked because it fit their character.

I didn't object to Isabela.

I did however object strenously to Miranda, Samara, ME3 Ashley, and Sexbot Edi and her fricking ******. Why you might ask?

Isabela was just as "revealing" in her outfits as Miri, or any of the ME women; and yet I object to them and not her? Hypocracy! Heresy! Idiot!

It has to do with the presentation of the character. Yes Isabela was a sl*tty pirate wench who wore revealing clothing, but being a rogue and a duelist her outfit made sense both in context of her character and from a pragmatic, functional point of view. Also DA2 didn't have any points of the game where you pretty much had close up shots of her t*ts or bum.

Compare with Miranda, and Samara in ME2, Miranda, and Edi Sexbot in ME3. And with Ashley's ME3 look and her suddenly bigger b**bs.
In ME2 there is hardly a scene goes by with Miranda where the camera doesn't at least once do a close up shot of her backside or her chest; and it's the same in ME3. Not to mention her outfit is horribly impractical in combat situations (seriously she runs around in heels!); and would not protect her in a hostile environment.
Samara isn't subjected to the same type of egregious treatment as Miranda (both Miri and EDI are female like beings that are objectified for fanservice reasons) but her outfit is every bit as impractical and ridiculous as Miranda's (and Jack and Thane's too).
In ME3 because Miranda isn't a companion, and EDIsexBot is, it is EDI that is subjected to the gross objectification and fanservice (and it isn't even equal opportunity fanservice cos none of the Male ME characters are EVER treated like that - the closest is when ManShep checks out Kaidan's bum when hes romancing him in ME3) that Miranda was in ME2, and continues to get the very few times she appears. Also that horrific ****** in EDI's alternate outfits.
And Ashley; her new look doesn't even make sense. It doesn't fit her character, and it is strange that her b**bs are suddenly a LOT bigger than they were in ME1/2. And her outfit is also horribly impractical.

Personally I don't mind if Bioware "over sexualise" characters if they want to. As long as it is equal opportunity oversexualisation, and fanservice. You want to include a Miranda/Isabela like character and have camera shots of her backside and b**bs?
Absolutely fine by me; as long as you do the same for a fit male companion character; ie a Male NPC companion gets shots of him with his shirt off, or in just his undies. Close up shots of his bum, or crotch. And so on.

For me it's an all or nothing thing.

If you wanna serve your fans with a bit of titilation and harmless "sexy" camera shots; then go ahead. Brilliant.

Just don't cater to only the Str8 Male demographic. Service ALL your potential fans.

Like in Final Fantasy 13 when Snow has his top off for like two whole chapters. And Fang with her rather revealing clothes for pretty much the whole game.

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Rawgrim wrote...

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Hostility? Jesus..

I'm outta here before I get lynched by angry women.



It's called erotic strangulation.

David Carridine?


Quite so. I wonder if they ever implement something like that in video games. Since homosexuality and whatsnot are being included, it wouldn`t be that far off to include fetishes and whatsnot.


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How about taking the Jersey Shore drama to pm?

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syllogi wrote...

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syllogi wrote...

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Oh please, get over yourself. Stop your unnecessary condescension. She just gave her opinion. One among a hundred. We get it, you don't like that someone doesn't think the same way as you, but you do not appear more intelligent with your repetitive insults. Just ignore her.

God, this these threads about boobs ....


Your buddy was homophobic, bigoted, and rude, and you backed her up.   Sorry you don't find women attractive who don't look like your narrow view of femininity.  I'll continue to post as long as I want, as long as I follow the forum rules.

If you want to discuss, discuss, we don't need that you prove to everyone how intelligent your are with your insults, and how stupid she is.

And I don't give a dam about you think about me. huh. :huh:


Sorry for your ignorance.  Women who dress appropriately for life still don't have to cater to your sexual fantasies.

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CitizenThom wrote...

syllogi wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

And your bigoted, rude, add fifty other names to the list, if you're not able to hear opinions that don't agree with yours. Yeah, now I'm going to defend them without reading half their posts, because bullies can go s*ck an egg.


LOL, if you are going to attack blindly, am I supposed to care?  Calling a woman who dresses appropriately for battle "manly" and a "lesbian" is in fact homophobic.  Perhaps it hits too close to home for you to hear anyone call out homophobia?  Sorry for your blind hatred.


Calling an armor/clothing aesthetic 'manly' is now homophobic? Ha ha ha.

Sorry for your tunnel vision worldview.

I don't even know what to say. The drama is just beautiful.

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CitizenThom wrote...

syllogi wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

And your bigoted, rude, add fifty other names to the list, if you're not able to hear opinions that don't agree with yours. Yeah, now I'm going to defend them without reading half their posts, because bullies can go s*ck an egg.


LOL, if you are going to attack blindly, am I supposed to care?  Calling a woman who dresses appropriately for battle "manly" and a "lesbian" is in fact homophobic.  Perhaps it hits too close to home for you to hear anyone call out homophobia?  Sorry for your blind hatred.


Calling an armor/clothing aesthetic 'manly' is now homophobic? Ha ha ha.

Sorry for your tunnel vision worldview.


Thankfully you included the post you're responding to so everyone can see you blatantly ignoring the lebian comment for the sake of your cheap laugh.

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i think over sexualisation is kind of annoying. and kind of sexist. i mean you only EVER see this happening to women (not that i'm complaining) but it just seems weird. if bioware are going to make skimpy outfits and trampy characters at least make them for all races and sexes! just make it balanced

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Rawgrim wrote...

How about taking the Jersey Shore drama to pm?


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CitizenThom wrote...

syllogi wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

And your bigoted, rude, add fifty other names to the list, if you're not able to hear opinions that don't agree with yours. Yeah, now I'm going to defend them without reading half their posts, because bullies can go s*ck an egg.


LOL, if you are going to attack blindly, am I supposed to care?  Calling a woman who dresses appropriately for battle "manly" and a "lesbian" is in fact homophobic.  Perhaps it hits too close to home for you to hear anyone call out homophobia?  Sorry for your blind hatred.


Calling an armor/clothing aesthetic 'manly' is now homophobic? Ha ha ha.

Sorry for your tunnel vision worldview.


Telling a woman that dressing in functional clothing that she looks like a lesbian is homophobic.  Tacking on "manly" and "masculine" is just adding to the fact that she has a bigoted view of what a woman is supposed to look like.

And while I'm pretty sure this thread will get locked soon, I'm glad this discussion at least got this far before it fell to the anger of those who NEED boobs at all times, everywhere, in their video games.  I'm not quite sure you are trying to defend boobs or homophobia, but, well, I hope that works out for you.

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syllogi wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Oh please, get over yourself. Stop your unnecessary condescension. She just gave her opinion. One among a hundred. We get it, you don't like that someone doesn't think the same way as you, but you do not appear more intelligent with your repetitive insults. Just ignore her.

God, this these threads about boobs ....


Your buddy was homophobic, bigoted, and rude, and you backed her up.   Sorry you don't find women attractive who don't look like your narrow view of femininity.  I'll continue to post as long as I want, as long as I follow the forum rules.

If you want to discuss, discuss, we don't need that you prove to everyone how intelligent your are with your insults, and how stupid she is.

And I don't give a dam about you think about me. huh. :huh:


Sorry for your ignorance.  Women who dress appropriately for life still don't have to cater to your sexual fantasies.


Oh you... *bites tongue* :P

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ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

syllogi wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

And your bigoted, rude, add fifty other names to the list, if you're not able to hear opinions that don't agree with yours. Yeah, now I'm going to defend them without reading half their posts, because bullies can go s*ck an egg.


LOL, if you are going to attack blindly, am I supposed to care?  Calling a woman who dresses appropriately for battle "manly" and a "lesbian" is in fact homophobic.  Perhaps it hits too close to home for you to hear anyone call out homophobia?  Sorry for your blind hatred.


Calling an armor/clothing aesthetic 'manly' is now homophobic? Ha ha ha.

Sorry for your tunnel vision worldview.


Thankfully you included the post you're responding to so everyone can see you blatantly ignoring the lebian comment for the sake of your cheap laugh.


Not blatantly ignoring...that quote (from the other poster) wasn't included in your fellow fanatic's quote tree. Calling something 'lesbian' is inventing an adjective. Saying that a 'lesbian' look isn't their aesthetic ideal has nothing to do with fear, or hate, or whatever definition the word homophobic has taken on.

Your fanatic friend needs to get a little more open minded about points of view that aren't identical to her own.

Modifié par CitizenThom, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:37 .


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Volus Warlord wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...


Welsh Inferno wrote...

Hostility? Jesus..

I'm outta here before I get lynched by angry women.



It's called erotic strangulation.

David Carridine?


Quite so. I wonder if they ever implement something like that in video games. Since homosexuality and whatsnot are being included, it wouldn`t be that far off to include fetishes and whatsnot.


The multiplayer is going to be an orgy simulator, after all.

That is the first rule of Autoerotic asphyxiation.  Have friends.
Stops that awkward moment of your parents finding you hanging and your hungry dog nibbling at your leg... Too much?

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Its like...standing on a beach and watching a ship sink itself...

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Rawgrim wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...


Welsh Inferno wrote...

Hostility? Jesus..

I'm outta here before I get lynched by angry women.



It's called erotic strangulation.

David Carridine?


Quite so. I wonder if they ever implement something like that in video games. Since homosexuality and whatsnot are being included, it wouldn`t be that far off to include fetishes and whatsnot.


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CitizenThom wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

syllogi wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

And your bigoted, rude, add fifty other names to the list, if you're not able to hear opinions that don't agree with yours. Yeah, now I'm going to defend them without reading half their posts, because bullies can go s*ck an egg.


LOL, if you are going to attack blindly, am I supposed to care?  Calling a woman who dresses appropriately for battle "manly" and a "lesbian" is in fact homophobic.  Perhaps it hits too close to home for you to hear anyone call out homophobia?  Sorry for your blind hatred.


Calling an armor/clothing aesthetic 'manly' is now homophobic? Ha ha ha.

Sorry for your tunnel vision worldview.


Thankfully you included the post you're responding to so everyone can see you blatantly ignoring the lebian comment for the sake of your cheap laugh.


Not blatantly ignoring...that quote wasn't in your fellow fanatic didn't include it in their quote tree. Calling something 'lesbian' is inventing an adjective. Saying that a 'lesbian' look isn't their aesthetic ideal has nothing to do with fear, or hate, or whatever definition the word homophobic has taken on.

Your fanatic friend needs to get a little more open minded about points of view that aren't identical to her own.


I'm guessing you still haven't read the original post, because it's SO important to get upset that someone else is being called homophobic?  

Once again, are you defending homophobia or the right to have boobs?  I really need to know.

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syllogi wrote...

 I'm not quite sure you are trying to defend boobs or homophobia, but, well, I hope that works out for you.


Mostly I'm trying to defend everyone's right to want different things. And that it isn't racist-sexist-bigoted-homophobic etc. for people to want different things.

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CitizenThom wrote...
Not blatantly ignoring...that quote (from the other poster) wasn't included in your fellow fanatic's quote tree. Calling something 'lesbian' is inventing an adjective. Saying that a 'lesbian' look isn't their aesthetic ideal has nothing to do with fear, or hate, or whatever definition the word homophobic has taken on.

Your fanatic friend needs to get a little more open minded about points of view that aren't identical to her own.


Bolded something for you.  That is exactly part of the definition.  You are saying a specific group of people with a specific sexual preference LOOK a certain way.  You are stereotyping lesbians and THAT is homophobic.

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chuckles471 wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...


Welsh Inferno wrote...

Hostility? Jesus..

I'm outta here before I get lynched by angry women.



It's called erotic strangulation.

David Carridine?


Quite so. I wonder if they ever implement something like that in video games. Since homosexuality and whatsnot are being included, it wouldn`t be that far off to include fetishes and whatsnot.


The multiplayer is going to be an orgy simulator, after all.

That is the first rule of Autoerotic asphyxiation.  Have friends.
Stops that awkward moment of your parents finding you hanging and your hungry dog nibbling at your leg... Too much?


No clue.Was just musing about sexuality in games. How long it will take for fetishes or whatsnot to be include.

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CitizenThom wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

syllogi wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

And your bigoted, rude, add fifty other names to the list, if you're not able to hear opinions that don't agree with yours. Yeah, now I'm going to defend them without reading half their posts, because bullies can go s*ck an egg.


LOL, if you are going to attack blindly, am I supposed to care?  Calling a woman who dresses appropriately for battle "manly" and a "lesbian" is in fact homophobic.  Perhaps it hits too close to home for you to hear anyone call out homophobia?  Sorry for your blind hatred.


Calling an armor/clothing aesthetic 'manly' is now homophobic? Ha ha ha.

Sorry for your tunnel vision worldview.


Thankfully you included the post you're responding to so everyone can see you blatantly ignoring the lebian comment for the sake of your cheap laugh.


Not blatantly ignoring...that quote (from the other poster) wasn't included in your fellow fanatic's quote tree. Calling something 'lesbian' is inventing an adjective.


No, calling you pryantic is inventing an adjective. Let's play a game to guess what it means!

Saying that a 'lesbian' look isn't their aesthetic ideal has nothing to do with fear, or hate, or whatever definition the word homophobic has taken on.


Aren't you precious. You literally put no thought whatsoever into what you say, do you?

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Rawgrim wrote...

No clue.Was just musing about sexuality in games. How long it will take for fetishes or whatsnot to be include.


Been there, done that.

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CitizenThom wrote...

syllogi wrote...

 I'm not quite sure you are trying to defend boobs or homophobia, but, well, I hope that works out for you.


Mostly I'm trying to defend everyone's right to want different things. And that it isn't racist-sexist-bigoted-homophobic etc. for people to want different things.


And you still haven't read this thread.  Jumping in to flip out about my choice of words just makes you look silly.

Here's the original post, since continuing to be ignorant seems to be very important to you:

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

I'm a woman and I hated how frumpy and masculine fem Hawke was. There should be options for both. If you want her to be sexy, you should have sexy outfit choices. If you want her to be more of a tomboy, then you have masculine outfit choices. I don't see why there can't be both for the DA3 protag, whether male or female. If a male wants to crossdress - let him. If a female wants to have her boobs hanging out like Morrigan - let her. 

I wanted a cuter/sexier Hawke. I felt like she was a total lesbian (non lipstick variety) the entire time, and that really didn't fit into the persona that I was trying to create for her. 

 

Yes, this is homophobic.  And while she has the "right" to her stereotyped, bigoted opinion, I also have the right to point out what it is.

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CitizenThom wrote...

syllogi wrote...

 I'm not quite sure you are trying to defend boobs or homophobia, but, well, I hope that works out for you.


Mostly I'm trying to defend everyone's right to want different things. And that it isn't racist-sexist-bigoted-homophobic etc. for people to want different things.

This is exactly what we were talking about.  What different people wants, and obviously they have different different opinions. I find it really funny to be called sexist because someone else doesn't want a manly woman. This is just beautiful.

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PEOPLE!! PEOPLE!! Why can't we all just get along?!

You can settle your differences orgasmically in the DA3 orgy simulator!