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[cindercatz]

syllogi wrote...


Personally, I LOVE seeing female characters in video games who are dressed appropriately for the occasion.  Triss in Witcher 2, for instance, was mostly covered up during the game.  I believe she was also naked at some point, but the fact remains that when the context was appropriate, she was wearing an outfit that was believable, attractive, and functional.  

I do agree with this bit. Form following function, and expression of personality are some of what I want to see. That goes for all sorts of scenes, and that means I also want to see a lot of visual variety, casual and formal outfits that can change over time, preferrably, and of course appropriate nudity as well.

Battle scenes, imperial court scenes, lounging in the house or pub scenes, and love scenes should all visually reinforce what the particular scene is all about. In the case of the player character, I also want options to choose from in non-combat scenarios.

[Maria Caliban]

Sylvianus wrote...

That was the same for Isabela. Many guys thought it was too much  and were disgusted.

I rarely find human bodies disgusting.

Fenris and Isabela were both designed with an eye to being sexy. They won't appeal to everyone, and they'll turn off some, but many will see them as attractive.

That said, I don't see either of them as being overly-sexualized.

[CuriousArtemis]

Zkyire wrote...

Everyone, female AND male have to dress a certain way.

You think if a man wore heels he wouldn't get funny looks?

You think if a man had pink hair he wouldn't get funny looks?

Pressure is put on all of us to go along with whatever the norm happens to be at the time.

Yes indeed, I of course completely agree!

[piloteyre]

re: Zangief - ha, there was a crazy Kotaku thread where someone said that, too. I just remember an argument about this very topic and, yeah, some dude busted out with "But-but - what about Zangief?! He's in a loincloth!" Because I guess every lady gamer wants to break off a piece of that bad boy O.o

My mind, it was boggled.

Modifié par piloteyre, 18 septembre 2012 - 09:35 .

[marshalleck]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

That was the same for Isabela. Many guys thought it was too much  and were disgusted.

I rarely find human bodies disgusting.

Fenris and Isabela were both designed with an eye to being sexy. They won't appeal to everyone, and they'll turn off some, but many will see them as attractive.

That said, I don't see either of them as being overly-sexualized.

Fenris was totally a he-****.

[piloteyre]

what on earth is a he-****?

eta - totally serious question, not meaning to be standoffish.  cold meds and posting, whata combo.

Modifié par piloteyre, 18 septembre 2012 - 09:37 .

[cindercatz]

piloteyre wrote...

Hey, sexualize all you like. But it's funny how we never get cut, bare chested male companions striding into battle, complete with loving shots of their asses in cutscenes.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander , I say.

Yeah, sure, but you get Fenris and Anders, Alistair, etc., which are all idealized men from women's point of view. I see them as female fan service, pure and simple, but at least they have some saving graces to the characters' pathos, just like the female characters.

Men and women generally emphasize different things and idealize different aspects of the opposite sex. Men in Dragon Age so far have been far more idealized to the opposite sex than female characters, imo.

edit: God, and Cullen. C'mon, his character was completely overwritten for DA2, and I expect him to be there exactly the same in DA3, purely for female fan service. He's egregious in the series if anybody is.

Modifié par cindercatz, 18 septembre 2012 - 09:42 .

[The Hierophant]

Nyoka wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

^ I was told once that Zangief from street fighter was an example of the oversexualization of men.

Elaborate?

Don't know what else to say. It was on reddit in a thread about one of those games street fighter versus something and all the women were skinny, big boobed, and with basically the same standard pretty facial features. Then someone chimed in saying men were oversexualized too and mentioned Zangief because he fights in underwear.

marshalleck yes exactly. One thing is sexual fantasy for guys, the other thing is power fantasy for guys.

Lulz at that poster's suggestion (I highly doubt Zangief is a face anyone would want to wake up to.), but Ken, Ryu or Gill are better examples. Excluding Makoto, i agree about the females being idealised.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 18 septembre 2012 - 09:45 .

[Atalanta]

marshalleck wrote...
Okay. That's your take on it, and that's fine, but I'm not convinced that everyone who whines about "chainmail bikinis" in Dragon Age (!?!?) has given it as much thought as you have.

Does there really need to be that much thought put into it in order to see why it's offensive? Even the guys at CollegeHumor get it.

[Deventh]

Dubozz wrote...

I do not agree. I like oversexualization.

Same.

[Rockpopple]

Isabela wasn't really that sexy to me. I mean yeah she had big boobs, open cleavage and an aversion to pants, but she wasn't nearly as sexy as say, Miranda, or Ashley or Tali or Shepard or basically most if not all the ladies from Mass Effect 3. And they were sexier while technically being more dressed. They were classin' up the joint. Yes, even Miranda.

So I say sexy is good, but keep it classy too. Isabela just looked like she needed attention. It really didn't make her endearing.

[Rawgrim]

Dragon Age don`t really have chainmail bikinis in any of the games, so that bit really isn`t a problem.

[Huntress]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Most straight women don't find this sexy:



This is a level of beefiness that many women find off-putting. Conan is more a power fantasy for men than a sexual fantasy for women.

That isn't to say that women don't find naked dudes hot. It's just they tend to leaner builds than that.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I did find him attractive 25 or more years ago and still do.
Of course I don't see anything wrong with

either:lol:

Any way I hope DA3 keep female character dress up, for combats encounters and nice looking dress for home/cave/whatever... Not brown dress bioware.. make it pink, red, orange but nOT brown.

[Maria Caliban]

Indeed. I don't see this thread as a criticism of Dragon Age 2, but as more of a general worry based on Mass Effect.

[Maverick827]

The problem is that there is only a very specific case in which such sexualization is an acceptable storytelling practice: when it's actually used for a practical purpose within the logic of the story. The most common example of this is probably the "femme fatal" character archetype. In this case, sexuality is a weapon that is used for the female character herself, to advance her own agendas, and in most cases actually fits within the context of the plot in some way. In pretty much every other context, however, sexuality is included solely as fan service (for men, more often than not).

Fan service is bad because it's not actually a construct of narration. It reaches right out of the page/screen and says: "Hey, you! Yeah, I'm talking to you, person who is currently reading/watching this fictional story that is not real and is also fiction. I know you're probably aroused by this stuff, so I put it in there for you to enjoy while you watch. You're welcome!"

Chainmail bikinis and other such oversexualization break the fourth wall...with breasts.

Modifié par Maverick827, 18 septembre 2012 - 09:53 .

[Rawgrim]

Truth be told: ME3 never struck me as sexualized.

[Momiji.mii]

I'm all for being able to put a little more muscle on my femal PC (or less if it's a guy)! I also agree with the OP that after seeing how Shepard (as well as many other characters) gradually got a sexualized body, I was a bit anxious about DA3. But judging from David's answer he knows what we're talking about.

Though I hope there'll be a feedback thread for the Character Creator before the game is released!

[Sylvianus]

Reviews about mass effect 3 = sexier
Most people out there = don't care
Bsn = oversexualization.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 18 septembre 2012 - 09:53 .

[cindercatz]

Isabella's perfectly in character, and she wears freakin' chainmail, not a "chainmail bikini". It's not the 50 lbs. a footsoldier would wear going into battle, but she's a buccaneer, who typically wear no armor, and she's always been bawdy and bold. She's got cleavage, but it's not particularly low cut cleavage, and it's in line with her character. Her breasts appear natural, and her outfit is obviously designed with chest support in mind. The don't float, they don't stand straight out, etc. They also don't move naturally, but I don't see people complaining about that.

I think if anybody has a real problem with her, they really have an issue with her character archetype, or an outside bias influenced by ongoing cultural agendas.

[syllogi]

Rawgrim wrote...

Truth be told: ME3 never struck me as sexualized.

When the ship's computer is rockin' ****** in its modest outfit, there might be some sexualization happening. 

[piloteyre]

Well, I mean, there's a shirtless Fenris/Anders mod, and I'm pretty sure there's some Alistair specific sex mods up on the Nexus for female PCs, so it's not like naked guys aren't something women (and gay men) want. I would never argue that both men and women LI's aren't idealized, for sure. I don't know. I feel like there's a whole nature vs.nurture, cultural debate in here somewhere, but I'm just not up to teasing it out today (probably to everyone's benefit, ha.)

just saw your edit: yeah, Cullen.  I totally don't get Cullen at all, so no comment, LOL.  Like I said, I won't argue that there's no female geared fanservice, even if some of it utterly confuses this one.

Modifié par piloteyre, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:01 .

[Rawgrim]

syllogi wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Truth be told: ME3 never struck me as sexualized.

When the ship's computer is rockin' ****** in its modest outfit, there might be some sexualization happening. 

I didn`t really find a metallic manequin that sexy.

[nightcobra]

syllogi wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Truth be told: ME3 never struck me as sexualized.

When the ship's computer is rockin' ****** in its modest outfit, there might be some sexualization happening. 

blame the illusive man, the man did a have penchant for women:whistle:


Sexual liaisons (past week):
-Sani Shelani, Illium Entertainment's Sexiest Human Alive
-Brooke Karrigar, Skyball Champion
-Vela Vicious, Fornax Dream Girl 2185-Staci and Stephi Strong, the "Terra Firma Twins"
-Matriarch Trellani (twice)

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 18 septembre 2012 - 09:59 .

[Rockpopple]

syllogi wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Truth be told: ME3 never struck me as sexualized.

When the ship's computer is rockin' ****** in its modest outfit, there might be some sexualization happening. 

Honestly, when I was thinking about sexy ME3 characters, I didn't even consider EDI. I mean I considered Liara but didn't write her in my post....

For me, I think of EDI as I do of Isabela, in the category of trying way too damn hard. I mean EDI was walking-talking-calculating cheesecake, but I don't think of her as sexy as other ME3 women.

I think personality may have something to do with it. Or maybe as you said, some form of modesty can help. When EDI's on screen and you're either staring at her chest or scoping out that camel-toe, it can lead to some tunnel-vision where genuine sexiness doesn't make the cut.