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[voice_of_darkness]

Ninja Stan wrote...

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

I'm sure any mods or devs would deny this immediately, but typically when both the company's founders leave at the same time, it's not really a good sign for it's future. It not even just them. Brent Knowles left Bioware during Dragon Age 2's development. The main writer for Mass Effect left during Mass Effect 3's development. Even Ninja Stanley doesn't work for them any more. There is definitely something going on inside Bioware's doors.

Or--and stay with me on this one--people decide to leave the company because they wish to do other things, and people aren't locked into working for one company forever. Without knowing those people's priorities, wants, or goals, the general public can't really say for certain why a developer would ever leave a studio, so they come up with reasons based on what little they know of how companies and game studios operate.

EDIT: I'm listed as being on the same level of influence as Ray and Greg, or Brent Knowles? Thanks, but I'm nowhere near that imporant, and no one individual will make or break a product. Game development is a collaboration between dozens of visionaries, and the hard work of scores of talented, dedicated professionals.

 

What's saying that they saw what the company was becoming and decided to leave as they saw how foregone it was, and thus decided that they would rather work somewhere else as their company is already being ruined according to them? 

Considering Greg said "I’ve reached an unexpected point in my life where I no longer have the passion that I once did for the company,for the games,and for the challenge of creation" 

this implies that either he had enough of what the company was doing and has become, or he decided to just leave.

[termokanden]

I am not even going to speculate (well, not much) on why they left. I am also not entirely convinced it's any of our business, and I am a little uneasy about the threads speculating about individuals at gaming companies.

If people leave for "dramatic" reasons, odds are they don't want or need all this speculation about it, and I think it's really just best to leave it alone. But quite often, as Stan suggests, people simply try out new things. It really is quite common in software development at least (I assume game development is slightly similar).

Modifié par termokanden, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:32 .

[addiction21]

termokanden wrote...

I am not even going to speculate (well, not much) on why they left. I am also not entirely convinced it's any of our business, and I am a little uneasy about the threads speculating about individuals at gaming companies.

If people leave for "dramatic" reasons, odds are they don't want or need all this speculation about it, and I think it's really just best to leave it alone. But quite often, as Stan suggests, people simply try out new things. It really is quite common in software development at least (I assume game development is slightly similar).

What are you talking about? This proves with out a shadow of a doubt all those petulant conspiracy theories I have no evidence of are true.
That must be it because they did not want to share or divulge  their personal lives and motives indepth with total strangers.
Not to mention the emtpy platitudes given by those who have been calling them stupid, lazy, mindless corporate sellouts for almost 5 years now.



They brought about a company that has given me countless hours of enteratinment and I am thankfull for that. I wish them the best of luck. Thank you for all the good times since Shattered Steel.

[themonty72]

voice_of_darkness wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

I'm sure any mods or devs would deny this immediately, but typically when both the company's founders leave at the same time, it's not really a good sign for it's future. It not even just them. Brent Knowles left Bioware during Dragon Age 2's development. The main writer for Mass Effect left during Mass Effect 3's development. Even Ninja Stanley doesn't work for them any more. There is definitely something going on inside Bioware's doors.

Or--and stay with me on this one--people decide to leave the company because they wish to do other things, and people aren't locked into working for one company forever. Without knowing those people's priorities, wants, or goals, the general public can't really say for certain why a developer would ever leave a studio, so they come up with reasons based on what little they know of how companies and game studios operate.

EDIT: I'm listed as being on the same level of influence as Ray and Greg, or Brent Knowles? Thanks, but I'm nowhere near that imporant, and no one individual will make or break a product. Game development is a collaboration between dozens of visionaries, and the hard work of scores of talented, dedicated professionals.

 

What's saying that they saw what the company was becoming and decided to leave as they saw how foregone it was, and thus decided that they would rather work somewhere else as their company is already being ruined according to them? 

Considering Greg said "I’ve reached an unexpected point in my life where I no longer have the passion that I once did for the company,for the games,and for the challenge of creation" 

this implies that either he had enough of what the company was doing and has become, or he decided to just leave.

  This is on point ... I totally agree.

[jackofalltrades456]

Considering how Brent Knowles made this exact statement when he left, ( Bioware's no longer the same company anymore) there is definitely something up.

[Korusus]

As a longtime fan, I'm saddened to see them go. I'm even more saddened to see how little it seems to matter anymore. What would have seemed impossible and momentous in the past, now seems like another downturn in a series of downturns for BioWare.

I really hope Aaryn Flynn has some good ideas to turn this ship around...I don't know that cranking out more Mass Effects and Dragon Ages to the end of time going to do the trick. Nor do I think a new IP that could potentially not even be an RPG help at all. And what happens to BioWare Austin? And is the culture at BioWare still the same? Has the last few years just been a fluke or is the BioWare name literally only a name now?

Man, I can't believe I've seen this day arrive. I really wish they had stuck it out at BioWare and left at a more positive time.

[FieryDove]

Ninja Stan wrote...


EDIT: I'm listed as being on the same level of influence as Ray and Greg, or Brent Knowles? Thanks, but I'm nowhere near that imporant, and no one individual will make or break a product. Game development is a collaboration between dozens of visionaries, and the hard work of scores of talented, dedicated professionals.

Yes, yes you are. Now get to work and with the others and create a NEW Bioware. Snap snap!

OP:

It took longer than I thought but I already knew this...long ago.

EDIT:

Get Georg too! I think he was canned from EA/BW Austin. (or quit)

Modifié par FieryDove, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:44 .

[ZackG312]

So the rumors that they planned on retiring were true. Man I remember mods doing damage control with the topics.

[Korusus]

ZackG312 wrote...

So the rumors that they planned on retiring were true. Man I remember mods doing damage control with the topics.

Yeah...I remember that.  Kind of funny looking back on it now.  Say Ray decided in April.  Emphatically denying something isn't true when it really is...not a great way to build trust with your customers.  Just sayin.

[Gatt9]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

I'm sure any mods or devs would deny this immediately, but typically when both the company's founders leave at the same time, it's not really a good sign for it's future. It not even just them. Brent Knowles left Bioware during Dragon Age 2's development. The main writer for Mass Effect left during Mass Effect 3's development. Even Ninja Stanley doesn't work for them any more. There is definitely something going on inside Bioware's doors.

Pretty much.  All of the top talent (And yes Stan,  I'll list you there too,  because bug-hunting is an artform and you've worked on many titles that left the building with very few bugs) leaves in a relatively short period of time,  it's a strong indicator of a major change in culture.  In any business.  It's highly indicative that EA is not hands off,  and that they're going in a very different direction. 

People leave jobs because they're unhappy,  there's a cause there for all of these people leaving. 

It's also not a good sign for the future.  Especially since,  on the same day,  EA announces a new Mass Effect game coming.  In honesty,  I'd say this event is Titanic.

[Korusus]

Gatt9 wrote...

It's also not a good sign for the future.  Especially since,  on the same day,  EA announces a new Mass Effect game coming.  In honesty,  I'd say this event is Titanic.

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that Mass Effect announcement was strange.  The old BioWare would tell a story because it was the story they wanted to tell.  They wouldn't milk a franchise to death just for the sake of milking it.  Mass Effect was always meant to be a trilogy, what more could they possibly do that isn't just milking it?  If Casey is forever stuck in a neverending grind of creating Mass Effect games, and Gaider is stuck in a neverending grind of writing one Dragon Age game after another...how long does it take before these guys get burnt out creatively and personally?

Hello, a new Mass Effect was just announced!  A new Dragon Age!  Where's the cheers?  Oh yeah...the guys that made Baldur's Gate and Knights of the Old Republic just left the company they sold to EA, the company named worse in America this year...I'm sorry, where's the upside to any of this?

[Fishy]

Gatt9 wrote...

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

I'm sure any mods or devs would deny this immediately, but typically when both the company's founders leave at the same time, it's not really a good sign for it's future. It not even just them. Brent Knowles left Bioware during Dragon Age 2's development. The main writer for Mass Effect left during Mass Effect 3's development. Even Ninja Stanley doesn't work for them any more. There is definitely something going on inside Bioware's doors.

Pretty much.  All of the top talent (And yes Stan,  I'll list you there too,  because bug-hunting is an artform and you've worked on many titles that left the building with very few bugs) leaves in a relatively short period of time,  it's a strong indicator of a major change in culture.  In any business.  It's highly indicative that EA is not hands off,  and that they're going in a very different direction. 

People leave jobs because they're unhappy,  there's a cause there for all of these people leaving. 

It's also not a good sign for the future.  Especially since,  on the same day,  EA announces a new Mass Effect game coming.  In honesty,  I'd say this event is Titanic.

Man you`re so depressing .. Life is dangerous when you only see blackness. I`m kind of depressed right now. How do i know it? I am highly nostalgic right now and that never a good sign

Modifié par Suprez30, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:00 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Chris Priestly has come out months ago, confirming that these rumours are false. So I'll expect a lock with further clarification soon.

As for the Docs, good luck in life even if they're not leaving BioWare as these vicious rumours might indicate.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:12 .

[voice_of_darkness]

Suprez30 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

I'm sure any mods or devs would deny this immediately, but typically when both the company's founders leave at the same time, it's not really a good sign for it's future. It not even just them. Brent Knowles left Bioware during Dragon Age 2's development. The main writer for Mass Effect left during Mass Effect 3's development. Even Ninja Stanley doesn't work for them any more. There is definitely something going on inside Bioware's doors.

Pretty much.  All of the top talent (And yes Stan,  I'll list you there too,  because bug-hunting is an artform and you've worked on many titles that left the building with very few bugs) leaves in a relatively short period of time,  it's a strong indicator of a major change in culture.  In any business.  It's highly indicative that EA is not hands off,  and that they're going in a very different direction. 

People leave jobs because they're unhappy,  there's a cause there for all of these people leaving. 

It's also not a good sign for the future.  Especially since,  on the same day,  EA announces a new Mass Effect game coming.  In honesty,  I'd say this event is Titanic.

Man you`re so depressing .. Life is dangerous when you only see blackness. I`m kind of depressed right now. How do i know it? I am highly nostalgic right now and that never a good sign

 

It's sad because it's the truth. Think about it. David Gaider during the old Bioware days would personally take time off to actually make mods that would help the fans in Baldurs Gate yet now he says "suck it up princess." And now look, the founders and some devs have left because this isn't the same company which means that the old bioware is dead and the one that replaced it will just milk a franchise to death just to make a quick buck.

I miss the old Bioware:crying:

[voice_of_darkness]

CrustyBot wrote...

Chris Priestly has come out months ago, confirming that these rumours are false. So I'll expect a lock with further clarification soon.

As for the Docs, good luck in life even if they're not leaving BioWare as these vicious rumours might indicate.

 

Priestly also said that the Resurgence dlc was a hoax and yet it turned out to be real. The founders ARE leaving and this ISN'T a rumor

[Gatt9]

CrustyBot wrote...

Chris Priestly has come out months ago, confirming that these rumours are false. So I'll expect a lock with further clarification soon.

As for the Docs, good luck in life even if they're not leaving BioWare as these vicious rumours might indicate.

They aren't rumors.

http://www.gamespot....-retire-6396699
http://www.rockpaper...-leave-bioware/
http://www.ign.com/a...re-from-company

Priestly has a tendency to make statements that turn out quite differently later.  Like all of the misleading statements he made about Multiplayer in ME3,  or Shooter mode in ME3.

[xCirdanx]

Gatt9 wrote...
Priestly has a tendency to make statements that turn out quite differently later.  Like all of the misleading statements he made about Multiplayer in ME3,  or Shooter mode in ME3.

Funny isn´t it.

That only leaves two options...one: he has no idea..which would make him pretty bad at his job, especialy considering ME3. Or two: he is a liar....i go for two.

So they are gone..well can we "EA will kill Bioware" "fans" now go out and celebrate? Celebrate the "doom" of our most beloved game studio? No? *looks at Me2+3...DA2* well i guess we can.

Good luck to the doctors...they should have made enough money now to settle in. And if not, well...whatever. Thats definitely it for the company i loved once. There is hardly anyone there left who made Bioware what it was.

cheers

[Il Divo]

CrustyBot wrote...

Chris Priestly has come out months ago, confirming that these rumours are false. So I'll expect a lock with further clarification soon.

As for the Docs, good luck in life even if they're not leaving BioWare as these vicious rumours might indicate.

If you checked out the link, this time around the Bioware execs confirmed it themselves explaining why they've both chosen to leave. Chris also confirmed their departure in other threads.  

Modifié par Il Divo, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:26 .

[Veex]

I'm not sure I'd want to continue working in this industry either were I in their position. I think you'd be hard pressed to find fan reaction more volatile than that levied BioWare's direction. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they had been leaning in this direction years ago and sold to EA for that reason.

[Nerdage]

Good luck to them; thanks for the games and, indeed, for Bioware.

[horacethegrey]

I admit to being one of the fanbase that turned soured on them, but I hold nothing personal against these two gentlemen. I wished them well on their future endeavors.

[xCirdanx]

Veex wrote...

 I think you'd be hard pressed to find fan reaction more volatile than that levied BioWare's direction.

Have you never ever paid attention to the "game community" at all? Never? The reality is, and everyone from a big boss in EA to a burger seller will tell you that it is hard to make your customer happy. That..is granted. and customers can be a pain in the ass. granted.

But if you lie to them. If you outright lie to them and then do if nothing has happend, and everythings is fine and hide behind your arrogance (which would be fine if it would fit and you are..well ...a good writer..) then no, then you deserve everything that is thrown at you. There are many examples for this, and bioware isn´t the first. However, they were the first to really **** up their fans over a game in such an insulting way.

There is a difference between, releasing an unfinished game, best example for an rpg might be Gothic 3, or releasing a game that is sooo full of retcons, breaks with every writing law ever made, makes you and everything you did in the past YEARS uninportant..and call it a good game and "creative" or "artistic".

So yeah, think about that twice. Bioware had(!) not the worst fans, they had the best. These fans were the ones who made them what THEY are now. In a time where no twitter/facebook or any of that crap mattered. This guys made mods (even now over a decade latter for their games), fansites, interviews all of them on their own time and money, to tell other people to get Bioware games and what a great company that is (was).

And now you have Bioware today, lying in your face about their games. Oh and making low comments about their fans. And that from a woman who i wouldn´t let write my..well anything../facepalm. So don´t come here defending Bioware. They deserve this.

The sad thing is, the people who deserve it, aren´t the ones who get it to read in the first place, nor will they ever agree with anything because they think they are so great and awesome. The only who will suffer in the end, if..sorry when bioware will be shut down by EA, are the normal people working their ass off writing codes over codes so you can play a game. But in the end, it is not your nor mine doing that these guys will end on the streets again searching for a job. It will be the doing of the ass kissers and friends in EA..you know like JH...and so on..oh yeah no name calling...right...can someone explain to me how a person...with no experince..gets in charge of a nr1 ip..ruins it..and does the same again????? oh hell...whatever....

anyway..think about that things befor you say this community sucks..oh and..this isn´t even a community^^ just because bioware made it the "social network" doesn´t mean it is one. in fact...i wish the old bw forums would still be up...because THAT was a community.

have a good day

[Barry Bathernak]

let me just say SHOCKER!...that is all.

[Endurium]

After years of trying to figure out how to render bow strings, they've thrown in the towel.

I'll miss the guys; Baldur's Gate 2 rocked my world back in the day and Irenicus is still one of my fav antagonists.

[John Paul Winski]

I find it a little funny that when something like this happens that people think the worst. Bioware is and has never been about just a couple of people. It has an entire culture that for the most part stays true to the original goals of Bioware. The people at Bioware make the games, Ray and Greg had a lot to do with it in the beginning. In the end they had other concerns and I think with all the long hours, stress and time away from family they deserve a nice long break.