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[Feneckus]

I keep seeing "Typhoon sucks. Revenant/PPR is better". But why ? 

Time to kill a Platinum Atlas with full equipment/gear on a Destroyer :

Revenant X : 10.067s
PPR X : 8.467s
Typhoon X : 7.650s (could have been faster if the Atlas didn't turn its back on me)

 

The PPR does have a pretty big advantage, it doesn't need a Stabilization Module so you can equip a Cyclonic Modulator or an Adrenaline Module instead. With the Typhoon, you really need a Stabilization Module or a Barrage gear. But the Typhoon is easier to manage, doesn't have a range limit, goes into "hot mode" faster and can drop bosses quicker. Choosing one or the other is a matter of preference, they're in the same league.

The Revenant is clearly inferior though. Terribly innacurate and does way less damage. I don't think it can compete with the other two guns even if they're at a low level.

[Black Phantom]

The Particle Rifle has many other advantages that you didn't mention... like the fact that it's only as heavy as a Graal, Kishock, or GPS and therefore can be equipped to most classes without a terribly significant hit to power cooldowns

[RamsenC]

PPR also is extremely easy to get headshots with and has infinite ammo.

[Xaijin]

Try doing the test on a lone prime.

[najzere]

Can I be the first to say getting Revenant to X is easier than an UR?

[Pedactor]

Revenant sucks unless on a accuracy specced destroyer with EB and Piercing Mods.

Then at X, the Typhoon needs to V or VI to top its base damage.

The Typhoon has multipliers against Armor, Shields, and Barriers, but the PPR is better at killing bosses due to its incredible pure damage when charged.

Typhoon should have had a higher base damage and no multipliers. We have mods and ammo consumables for multipliers on AR's, especially AR's.

The point many I talk to and play with that really needs highlighted:

Boss Killing AR's aren't really needed.  There's shotguns, especially the Piranha, for that.

And with an accuracy buff via Hunter Mode, Devastator Mode, or marksman, the range on a PPR isn't much more than the Piranha anyway.  Not to mention no ramp-up.

Modifié par Pedactor, 18 septembre 2012 - 08:41 .

[TMB903]

PPR wins...easily

Lightweight
Perfect accuracy
Zero recoil
....i'll stop there though

[Rifneno]

PPR > (by a wide margin) Typhoon > (by a slim margin) Revenant.

[Pedactor]

Rifneno wrote...

PPR > (by a wide margin) Typhoon > (by a slim margin) Revenant.

Only against bosses.

Revenant is better than the Typhoon at mowing down unshielded or unarmored enemies.

[peddroelm]

Main issue with your test

Incendiary on PPR - probably could have walked away when Atlas was at low-mid armor (was already dead) ... Walk away count to 3 and watch it drop dead (because of the super stacked incendiary ammo dot THAT HAS MINOR EFFECT WHILE YOU KEEP FIRING AT THE ATLAS)...

Second issue as always - buggy up to 3 hits per bullet atlas ...

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Burst DPS wise PPR its a bit better than Typhoon (could test them both with AP ammo) ...Typhoon gains a bit of ground on multi clip sustained DPS ..

Revenant cannot compete with the top dogs...But hurricane and harrier can considering the range you did your tests at ...

Modifié par peddroelmz, 18 septembre 2012 - 08:44 .

[Valmar]

Not completely on-topic but I just wanted to say... I remember a time when everyone complained about the PPR being useless and too weak and the Typhoon being a boss-killer. These days, with the past changes, they seem to have switched roles. It's interesting.

[AaronEh]

Particle Rifle X with ammo and stability mods, Incendiary Rounds IV, Assault Rifle Amp III, Cyclonic Modulator IV, Assault Rifle Amp V

Why this setup? Wouldn't Armour Piercing Mod plus Extended Barrel be better. It already shoots a laser beam.

[Valmar]

AaronEh wrote...

Particle Rifle X with ammo and stability mods, Incendiary Rounds IV, Assault Rifle Amp III, Cyclonic Modulator IV, Assault Rifle Amp V

Why this setup? Wouldn't Armour Piercing Mod plus Extended Barrel be better. It already shoots a laser beam.

If I understand your question right, it's because the PPR gains a superior benefit from the Ammo mod than it does from armor peircing or extended barrel. 

Also, I'm not sure why you'd use a stablity mod on a weapon thats already incredibly accurate and has no recoil.

[BiO]

Revenant can stagger phantoms, though.

[THE Terry]

The only real complaint I have with the typhoon is against smaller enemies. It gets those boosts against armor and shields but nothing for just regular health. i know it doesn't seem like much, but those extra couple seconds it takes to mow down a pack of small enemies hurts.

as someone said earlier, I wish the base damage was higher, and multipliers were lower.

[DHKany]

PPR.

[Pedactor]

THE Terry wrote...

The only real complaint I have with the typhoon is against smaller enemies. It gets those boosts against armor and shields but nothing for just regular health. i know it doesn't seem like much, but those extra couple seconds it takes to mow down a pack of small enemies hurts.

as someone said earlier, I wish the base damage was higher, and multipliers were lower.

Yeah it sucks against mooks.  It's weight makes it prohibitive to use on anybody who cares about recharge at all, and in those cases it's going to be paired off with a Shotgun, generally Piranha or Reegar.

I wish they only had a multiplier on its RoF.  The rest can go rot.  I have Disruptor Ammo and a Piercing mod to throw on it, just like I do on my Harrier on my Demolisher.

After trying like hell to make the Typhoon not seem terrible, I went back to the Revenant simply because running around to ammo boxes is not a strength of the Destroyer, Krogan Soldier, or Krogan Sentinel and the Typhoon has the same ammo issues as the Harrier, not because its clip is small but because its damage sucks.

[Feneckus]

najzere wrote...

Can I be the first to say getting Revenant to X is easier than an UR?

Well the Revenant is so inferior it wouldn't surprise me if a PPR/Typhoon I were more effective. The Typhoon/PPR were the same level though so the comparison is valid.

AaronEh wrote...

Particle Rifle X with ammo and stability mods, Incendiary Rounds IV, Assault Rifle Amp III, Cyclonic Modulator IV, Assault Rifle Amp V

Why this setup? Wouldn't Armour Piercing Mod plus Extended Barrel be better. It already shoots a laser beam.

Opps, got the Particle Rifle and Typhoon mixed up. 

[najzere]

True, but in my lifetime, I may actually see Revenant X, so the less than 2.5 seconds I'm missing on killing Atlases on Platinum seems somehow okay.

[SilentCO1]

... Vs Argus

[Xaijin]

Flaming Snake wrote...

Typhoons a minigun basically. Enough said?

I like that thermal clips refill it. You can fire for longer.

Typhoon 1 vs Revenant X?
Typhoon.

Considering I've seen a spitfire in action, I would beg to differ greatly.

Greatly.

Modifié par Xaijin, 18 septembre 2012 - 09:21 .

[Caldari Ghost]

Revenant is better. Everyone knows that mooks are a bigger threat than bosses.

[Feneckus]

 

Caldari Ghost wrote...

Revenant is better. Everyone knows that mooks are a bigger threat than bosses.

The Typhoon is more accurate than the Revenant, so even against mooks it wins. Unless they sneak up on you. You just have to be careful. 

 

peddroelmz wrote...

Main issue with your test 

Incendiary on PPR - probably could have walked away when Atlas was at low-mid armor (was already dead) ... Walk away count to 3 and watch it drop dead (because of the super stacked incendiary ammo dot THAT HAS MINOR EFFECT WHILE YOU KEEP FIRING AT THE ATLAS)...  

Yeah maybe. But that wouldn't have made any difference, the typhoon would still be faster.

Xaijin wrote...

Try doing the test on a lone prime.

Second issue as always - buggy up to 3 hits per bullet atlas ... 

The Atlas is the only target than sits still while you fire at it, so it's better to compare DPS on an Atlas. With Primes, their drones can block a few shots or you might have to deal with a turret at some point. With Banshees, you might have to run away/dodge a warp. Brutes/Ravagers/Phantoms don't have enough HP so I guess the Typhoon wins because it ramps up faster.

[MaxShine]

Atlas is maybe a bad test object. The Typhoon can do double-canopy shots... I am not sure the PPR can do. If the PPR can not do double canopy shots, then this test is not really valid