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[Persephone]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

I don't really know if Dragonage can be saved. The problem with DA2 was that it was Dragonage for people who don't like Dragonage, which is the exact opposite way to make a sequel. How often do you see people who enjoyed DA2 call DA:O boring?

Eh? I love 'em both. <_<

[addiction21]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I see a lot of people who are often wrong about a lot of things.

Statements that are never wrong

1. Waffles > pancakes
2. You have a interesting choice of avatars.
3. With every new release BioWare must "redeem" themselves to some group.

[slimgrin]

nevermind

Modifié par slimgrin, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:15 .

[Il Divo]

I disagree. I much prefer the texture on the pancake to the waffle, in addition it is more appealing with a variety of fruit toppings and syrups.

I will however concede that the waffle rules the day when combined with the icecream sundae.

Modifié par Il Divo, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:00 .

[Lord_Valandil]

addiction21 wrote...
1. Waffles > pancakes

I prefer muffins myself.

[Costin_Razvan]

Persephone wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

You talk of double standards after saying that? LOL.

Saying what? Missing a LI's letter (Which can be brought back with a mod/patch) isn't the same as forcing a romance with another LI on me.

Oh you mean it's worse then having your LI who swears his love to you and then asks for your hand in marriage suddenly having a threesome in DA2 as Zevran can with Hawke and Isabella and which has not yet been fixed?

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:06 .

[LegendaryBlade]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Watch when this one is released people will whine about it even if it has everything they want and addresses their grievances with DA 2. Then the ME 3 haters will start liking it at DA 2 will be called a classic by those same people that whined about it when it came out and thus the cycle of hating new games while worshiping older games will continue. The pattern has repeated itself many times of internet gaming forums. This thread is simply a repeat of a thread that happened in the last cycle.

Yeah, the stuff ME3 does to answer the criticisms of ME2 was ignored with such speed and thoroughness by the community you'd think they got together and planned it.

It's pretty routine around here.

LegendaryBlade wrote...

One is an Tactical RPG the other is an Action RPG that's nearly a beat em up. 

 

Define the ways in which the combat mechanics are different in Dragon Age 2 when compared to Dragon Age: Origins.  Be thorough, and show your work.  

Sure thing professor. Dragonage 2 works on a very much higher-spawn rate lower-health system that gives it more of a 'wave' formula than the original had. Instead of pausing a fight when the encounter begins and positioning or formulating a strategy the majority of the time is spent targeting and focus firing an enemy, which occasional heals and AoEs spread through out the fight.

The random spawn point generation makes positioning entirely useless. Often times backstabbers and rogues will randomly spawn behind party members, and they don't seem to follow any logical progression. The way combat functions relies a lot less on skill use, even as a mage you'll usually find a niche of three or four spells that you use in succession while watching cooldowns.

The way armor functions reduces a huge amount of thought process that goes in to putfitting and preparing characters, and how you want them to play or function. Lets compare a regular fight in DA:O wil one of DA2. The engagement begins, most players immediately pause the game and consider positioning, where and what the enemies are, etc very quickly before assigning how they want character to work. Due to the higher difficulty, fights will be a lot harder without that. You may assign your mages and rogues to the back row (backrow, of course, not even existing in DA2) and put your fighters up front. There's also a lot more consideration in party build. Two mage two frontline, three mage one warrior, etc etc.

In DA2 a fight will start, you'll usually target whatever enemy is the most immediate or highest thread, and will just begin tapping skills on cooldown and hack-n-slashing. I went through my entire first playthru(on hard) and only ever switched to my companions when they were dying. Which was incredibly rare.

[Torhagen]

so it seems to be official now Ray Muzyka & Greg Zeschuk aka the guys who made Bioware are gone

http://www.rockpaper...-leave-bioware/

Modifié par Torhagen, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:09 .

[LegendaryBlade]

Persephone wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

I don't really know if Dragonage can be saved. The problem with DA2 was that it was Dragonage for people who don't like Dragonage, which is the exact opposite way to make a sequel. How often do you see people who enjoyed DA2 call DA:O boring?

Eh? I love 'em both. <_<

Quote the whole post, I even say that some people enjoy both.

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

You talk of double standards after saying that? LOL.

Saying what? Missing a LI's letter (Which can be brought back with a mod/patch) isn't the same as forcing a romance with another LI on me.

Oh you mean it's worse then having your LI who swears his love to you and then asks for your hand in marriage suddenly having a threesome in DA2 as Zevran can with Hawke and Isabella.

That's an import bug, not the story as written. I heard the dialogue that's supposed to fire (And a mod fixes that, as I recall, as should the latest patch) and he does not proposition either Izzy or Hawke in that case. And turns Isabela down if she asks him about it.

Modifié par Persephone, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:08 .

[Persephone]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Persephone wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

I don't really know if Dragonage can be saved. The problem with DA2 was that it was Dragonage for people who don't like Dragonage, which is the exact opposite way to make a sequel. How often do you see people who enjoyed DA2 call DA:O boring?

Eh? I love 'em both. <_<

Quote the whole post, I even say that some people enjoy both.

Well, that is ever so generous of you.

[NooberandNeeber]

Arcian wrote...

Make the best of it for the sake of the fans who still believe in you. Like Bruce Wayne, you must climb out of the pit and take back your Gotham.

I will go to Obsidian, Bethesda, Ubisoft, 343i, Naughty Dog, Valve, Rock Star, Irrational Games, Eidos Montreal and the many countless talented indie developers currently out there to seek my enjoyment with them, but I will remember the good times fondly, and the less good times... less fondly.

Godspeed, BioWare.

Godspeed.

They have nothing to redeem themselves for, DA2 was awesome.

[hoorayforicecream]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

One is an Tactical RPG the other is an Action RPG that's nearly a beat em up. 

 

Definte "tactical RPG" and  "action RPG," be sure to include what features are unique to each "genre."

Define the ways in which the combat mechanics are different in Dragon Age 2 when compared to Dragon Age: Origins.  Be thorough, and show your work. 

I'm pretty sure both Dragon Age games are action RPGs. Real tactical RPGs tend to be strategic unit deployment and turn-based combat with a focus on levels and abilities. Disgaea, La Pucelle Tactics, Tactics Ogre, Shining Force, Front Mission, X-Com Ufo Defense, Final Fantasy Tactics, and Valkyria Chronicles are examples of tactical RPGs.

[Costin_Razvan]

Bringing mods into the discussion will not change the issue. Once CDPR releases redkit there will very likely be a mod that changes the intro of TW2 with Triss in bed with Geralt despite the Shani romance.

Using mods is just using a pathetic excuse. Import issues are not fixed even with the patch.

So yes, double standards Persephone.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:10 .

[Rockpopple]

I enjoyed both. Greatly.

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Bringing mods into the discussion will not change the issue. Once CDPR releases redkit there will very likely be a mod that changes the intro of TW2 with Triss in bed with Geralt despite the Shani romance.

Using mods is just using a pathetic excuse.

It is a BUG. Not the INTENTION of the writers as in TW2. The proper dialogue is there, it's simply not flagged correctly. And body-swapping won't fix that issue, given that it's clearly Triss who is supposed to be there plot wise.

Modifié par Persephone, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:11 .

[addiction21]

Torhagen wrote...

so it seems to be official now Ray Muzyka & Greg Zeschuk aka the guys who made Bioware are gone

Are they the ones that created the characters? Programmed the games? Made ever decision for every game?

Sucks to see them go but they are not wholly responsible for "BioWare" Just as Brent Knowles was not soley responsible for DA:O and fair amount of issues people have with BioWare still happened before this announcement.

[LegendaryBlade]

Persephone wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Persephone wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

I don't really know if Dragonage can be saved. The problem with DA2 was that it was Dragonage for people who don't like Dragonage, which is the exact opposite way to make a sequel. How often do you see people who enjoyed DA2 call DA:O boring?

Eh? I love 'em both. <_<

Quote the whole post, I even say that some people enjoy both.

Well, that is ever so generous of you.

Thankyou I try, i'm quite a generous person.

[LegendaryBlade]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

One is an Tactical RPG the other is an Action RPG that's nearly a beat em up. 

 

Definte "tactical RPG" and  "action RPG," be sure to include what features are unique to each "genre."

Define the ways in which the combat mechanics are different in Dragon Age 2 when compared to Dragon Age: Origins.  Be thorough, and show your work. 

I'm pretty sure both Dragon Age games are action RPGs. Real tactical RPGs tend to be strategic unit deployment and turn-based combat with a focus on levels and abilities. Disgaea, La Pucelle Tactics, Tactics Ogre, Shining Force, Front Mission, X-Com Ufo Defense, Final Fantasy Tactics, and Valkyria Chronicles are examples of tactical RPGs.

Well, then you get in to term arguments. Most people take that games like BG: DA:O and etc are Tactical RPGs and games like FF: Tactics and the like often get stuck in the limbo between being called a TRPG and an RTS. Most people settle on calling it the former, because they do fall just short of being an RTS.

I've never met anybody who would consider games like DA:O action rpgs though. If Origins is an action RPG than it really would be more convenient to call DA2 a beat em up.

[Maria Caliban]

Arcian wrote...

This is it, BioWare - your chance to redeem yourselves

If you fail to please Arcian, you will spend your eternal afterlife burning in the sulfurous pits of the abyss.

I've located the exact level: fourth circle

There you will be chained to giant diamonds and forced to beat one another to death with them.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:18 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Persephone wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Bringing mods into the discussion will not change the issue. Once CDPR releases redkit there will very likely be a mod that changes the intro of TW2 with Triss in bed with Geralt despite the Shani romance.

Using mods is just using a pathetic excuse.

It is a BUG. Not the INTENTION of the writers as in TW2. The proper dialogue is there, it's simply not flagged correctly. And body-swapping won't fix that issue, given that it's clearly Triss who is supposed to be there plot wise.

Remove the scene, duh.

[Persephone]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Bringing mods into the discussion will not change the issue. Once CDPR releases redkit there will very likely be a mod that changes the intro of TW2 with Triss in bed with Geralt despite the Shani romance.

Using mods is just using a pathetic excuse.

It is a BUG. Not the INTENTION of the writers as in TW2. The proper dialogue is there, it's simply not flagged correctly. And body-swapping won't fix that issue, given that it's clearly Triss who is supposed to be there plot wise.

Remove the scene, duh.

What about Foltest referring to  it? Remove it and the conversation with her as well? Can't see that working. But we'll see.

[KotorEffect3]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Watch when this one is released people will whine about it even if it has everything they want and addresses their grievances with DA 2. Then the ME 3 haters will start liking it at DA 2 will be called a classic by those same people that whined about it when it came out and thus the cycle of hating new games while worshiping older games will continue. The pattern has repeated itself many times of internet gaming forums. This thread is simply a repeat of a thread that happened in the last cycle.

Yeah, the stuff ME3 does to answer the criticisms of ME2 was ignored with such speed and thoroughness by the community you'd think they got together and planned it.

It's pretty routine around here.

Oh I am sure that some of them did that deliberately and even as we speak they are getting in their little groups plotting their hater attacks against DA 3.

[JMSLionheart]

Emzamination wrote...

After playing Dragon's dogma and skyrim, I now fully understand that bioware is the only game company in this universe where I'm going to get good romance in a Rpg so I'm staying right here through thick and thin.

That's because you haven't played The Witcher 1 and 2... Anyway, those games are only for boys or lesbians in therms of romances. But CD Projekt (Red) is a very talented company.
Obsidian is also good at making enjoyable an realistic romances. Wait for Project Eternity which is going to be an old-style RPG. The real Baldur's Gate spiritual successor, unlike Dragon Age 3.

[Persephone]

JMSLionheart wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

After playing Dragon's dogma and skyrim, I now fully understand that bioware is the only game company in this universe where I'm going to get good romance in a Rpg so I'm staying right here through thick and thin.

That's because you haven't played The Witcher 1 and 2... Anyway, those games are only for boys or lesbians in therms of romances. But CD Projekt (Red) is a very talented company.
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Ugh, NOT AGAIN!