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[Persephone]

Fdingo wrote...

There is no redemption after ME3.

There is no necessity. ME3 is a fantastic game.

[Jerrybnsn]

I don't think EA and Bioware are going to be prepared for the backlash from ME3. There are so many angry customers out there right now. DA3 had a hard enough time as it was by the bland, no plot, stripped down DA2 to contend with. But ME3's launch pretty much made the customers wary of any Bioware products in the future.

Modifié par Jerrybnsn, 19 septembre 2012 - 07:27 .

[Persephone]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I don't think EA and Bioware are going to be prepared for the backlash from ME3. There are so many angry customers out there right now. DA3 had a hard enough time as it was by the bland, no plot, stripped down DA2 to contend with. But ME3's launch pretty much made the customers wary of any Bioware products in the future.

The activity and excitement the announcement of DAIII has prompted tell me otherwise.

[Sylvianus]

Actually, It seems that M3 is fine too. People liked the Leviathan DLC and many are currently excited about the new Omega DLC. While there are still people angry about the endings, there are also many folks who were fine with the extended cut.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 19 septembre 2012 - 07:49 .

[Persephone]

Sylvianus wrote...

Actually, It seems that M3 is fine too. People liked the Leviathan DLC and many are currently excited about the new Omega DLC. While there are still people angry about the endings, there are also many folks who were fine with the extended cut.

Yup. And Sales seem to have gone well. I've seen lots of positive word of mouth after EC and Leviathan.

[Jerrybnsn]

Persephone wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Actually, It seems that M3 is fine too. People liked the Leviathan DLC and many are currently excited about the new Omega DLC. While there are still people angry about the endings, there are also many folks who were fine with the extended cut.

Yup. And Sales seem to have gone well. I've seen lots of positive word of mouth after EC and Leviathan.

Sales have gone well enough.  But ME3 sold fewer than they were hoping for.  It hasn't even reached the 4 million mark yet and it's already past the six month cycle.

[Aolbain]

Fdingo wrote...

There is no redemption after ME3.

But still you hang out at their forum, why?

[Novate]

EA understands Consumers, it doesn't matter how angry someone is, they will still purchase their products without a second thought.

They know that if they keep throwing out crap, maybe in 10 years most of the consumers might eventually catch up to them and realized that they have been playing crap. But guess what, thats 10 years of profit that can not be ignored.

Even DA2 sold pretty well with the problems it had, then when ME3 was announced, the same angry players still came back and bought it, it will be the same exact thing, when DA3 goes live, the same people who was angry will also pick it up.

There is no such thing as bad news any news is good news, only when there is no news then that is bad news. With the backlash of ME3 ending debacle, more and more gamers got interested in Bioware, and went back and purchased all the other games, like the original KOTOR, ME1 and ME2 and DA:O , that is how the world works.

The longer something goes on, the more supporters they will gather. I think ME3 might actually increased Bioware's followers. And with the EC , then with the continuation of the DLC, more and more followers are supporting Bioware.

In a years time, DA3 by the time its released, it will still make lots of news, regardless of whether or not its good.

[upsettingshorts]

Novate wrote...

Even DA2 sold pretty well with the problems it had, then when ME3 was announced, the same angry players still came back and bought it, it will be the same exact thing, when DA3 goes live, the same people who was angry will also pick it up.

They were actually totally different "things."

DA2 was made in less than a year and was rushed as a consequence.  To compound matters, several deliberate design decisions were made that were expected to be controversial to begin with.

ME3 was a very polished game with a host of well-received features including multiplayer, but the ending of the narrative disappointed and angered so many players that it generated its own controversy.

If DA3 has a controversy, it is safe to predict it too will be something different, since the game is not being rushed, and doesn't have the same expectations for its narrative conclusion as ME3.

But whatever, EA is the devil and stuff.

[wildannie]

Persephone wrote...

Fdingo wrote...

There is no redemption after ME3.

There is no necessity. ME3 is a fantastic game.

You can say that but it's not even close to being true.  Your earlier comments about Thane were also untrue.  Thane has a painfully cringeworthy snog with Shepard in the hospital, a couple of 'sihas' thrown in.  Thane and Jacob imports don't qualify for the paramour acheivement in ME3 which is equal to saying to a bunch of players that they made the wrong choice in ME2 which frankly sucks.  

Its always been clear from your posts that your dreadfully easy to please when it comes to Bioware games.  Many found ME3 lacking because it simply was in so many ways.

Re OP:  Bioware would need to produce more than one good game to redeem themselves in my eyes, I'm not even sure that it is possible.

[Persephone]

wildannie wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Fdingo wrote...

There is no redemption after ME3.

There is no necessity. ME3 is a fantastic game.

You can say that but it's not even close to being true.  Your earlier comments about Thane were also untrue.  Thane has a painfully cringeworthy snog with Shepard in the hospital, a couple of 'sihas' thrown in.  Thane and Jacob imports don't qualify for the paramour acheivement in ME3 which is equal to saying to a bunch of players that they made the wrong choice in ME2 which frankly sucks.  

Its always been clear from your posts that your dreadfully easy to please when it comes to Bioware games.  Many found ME3 lacking because it simply was in so many ways.

What's "true" to one when it comes to entertainment or art is untrue to others. It's always been that way. Nothing I said about Thane was "untrue". He had romance content and it made me cry. I for one loved the kiss. And the death scene with a romanced Shep. And the email afterwards. Would I have loved more? OH YES. I don't care about achievements whatsoever.

Keep your assumptions. I don't care about faceless "many". Many think Paul Potts is the new Pavarotti. I laugh at the very idea. So yes, I don't care about majorities or their tastes. When I love a game, I love it. I'll still criticize it and offer feedback to the devs if they ask for it, listing the good and the bad. I loved ME3 most out of the trilogy. But the trilogy as a whole is incredibly dear to me. I am sick of fans telling me that enjoying this game or DAII is wrong in any way. I know it's "in" to hate on every new Bioware release. Many do it. I do not. Live with it.

[Persephone]

Arcian wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Fdingo wrote...

There is no redemption after ME3.

But still you hang out at their forum, why?

Because some of us want them to get their act together and make good games like in the old days.

You mean back when the BG crowd hated on DAO for being  a disgrace and in NO WAY the spiritual successor to the BG saga, the laaaast great game Bioware EVER made? (Not kidding, it happened!)

[Persephone]

Arcian wrote...

BG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>infinity>>>DA:O

Actual LARP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any "RPG game"

Yeah, there's that.

[KotorEffect3]

Aolbain wrote...

Fdingo wrote...

There is no redemption after ME3.

But still you hang out at their forum, why?

because he is a whiney troll, btw ME 3 is a great game

[KotorEffect3]

Arcian wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Fdingo wrote...

There is no redemption after ME3.

But still you hang out at their forum, why?

Because some of us want them to get their act together and make good games like in the old days.

Ah yes the cycle, and back in those days someone was saying that game sucked and it wasn't like it was in the "good old days".  You people and your "older is better" mentality

[KotorEffect3]

wildannie wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Fdingo wrote...

There is no redemption after ME3.

There is no necessity. ME3 is a fantastic game.

You can say that but it's not even close to being true.  Your earlier comments about Thane were also untrue.  Thane has a painfully cringeworthy snog with Shepard in the hospital, a couple of 'sihas' thrown in.  Thane and Jacob imports don't qualify for the paramour acheivement in ME3 which is equal to saying to a bunch of players that they made the wrong choice in ME2 which frankly sucks.  

Its always been clear from your posts that your dreadfully easy to please when it comes to Bioware games.  Many found ME3 lacking because it simply was in so many ways.

Re OP:  Bioware would need to produce more than one good game to redeem themselves in my eyes, I'm not even sure that it is possible.

Talk about a post dripping with elitism, condescension, and arrogance.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Arcian wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Fdingo wrote...

There is no redemption after ME3.

But still you hang out at their forum, why?

Because some of us want them to get their act together and make good games like in the old days.

But if one truly holds that there is no redemption for Bioware, then no matter what they do they won't ever 'get their act together' enough for that person. In such a case, why waste time hovering around a company you've written off?

[PhillyB]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

btw ME 3 is a great game

This is why I have a list of people that shouldn't be taken seriously. And you, my friend, just made it to the top. Congratulations.

[wildannie]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

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You can say that but it's not even close to being true.  Your earlier comments about Thane were also untrue.  Thane has a painfully cringeworthy snog with Shepard in the hospital, a couple of 'sihas' thrown in.  Thane and Jacob imports don't qualify for the paramour acheivement in ME3 which is equal to saying to a bunch of players that they made the wrong choice in ME2 which frankly sucks.  

Its always been clear from your posts that your dreadfully easy to please when it comes to Bioware games.  Many found ME3 lacking because it simply was in so many ways.

Re OP:  Bioware would need to produce more than one good game to redeem themselves in my eyes, I'm not even sure that it is possible.

Talk about a post dripping with elitism, condescension, and arrogance.

Take it how you will,  I'm sick of reading posts from BW apologists.  ME3 was not a 'great game'  it was a weak end to what had been a wonderful trilogy and just because you enjoyed it doesn't make it great.

@Persephone - Patrick Weekes admitted that the team 'dropped the ball' with Thane and the feedback from the Thane fan community has been largely critical, and there's a principal regarding being unable to get the paramour acheivement.  Do you also think it was fine that Thane didn't get a codex entry? That Garrus is 'glad they didn't have to add another name to the wall' when they'd just added Thane's name to the wall?  That nobody commented on Shepards loss? That half the crew immediately throw themeselves at Shepard with no mention of Thane?  It would be bad enough trying to RP a bereaved character when the game gives options to acknowledge that loss, without those options it was just awful.

Other things that made ME3 not a great game - Autodialogue, Useless Journal, Eavesdropping Fetch Quests, Tied to multiplayer, shafting of the ME2 exclusive crew in general, inability to holster weapon, oh, and the endings weren't very good.

[wildannie]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Fdingo wrote...

There is no redemption after ME3.

But still you hang out at their forum, why?

Because some of us want them to get their act together and make good games like in the old days.

But if one truly holds that there is no redemption for Bioware, then no matter what they do they won't ever 'get their act together' enough for that person. In such a case, why waste time hovering around a company you've written off?

I am still interested in the games they are going to make, I just won't be pre-ordering, and will only buy new if I have to and then only at cut price.  Redemption of bioware for me would make me a loyal customer  again who wants to buy new and support the company.  It's £70 + all dlcs I can get my paws on vs £15 or £0 (second hand) with dlc purchase only if I really really want it.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

wildannie wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

Arcian wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Fdingo wrote...

There is no redemption after ME3.

But still you hang out at their forum, why?

Because some of us want them to get their act together and make good games like in the old days.

But if one truly holds that there is no redemption for Bioware, then no matter what they do they won't ever 'get their act together' enough for that person. In such a case, why waste time hovering around a company you've written off?

I am still interested in the games they are going to make, I just won't be pre-ordering, and will only buy new if I have to and then only at cut price.  Redemption of bioware for me would make me a loyal customer  again who wants to buy new and support the company.  It's £70 + all dlcs I can get my paws on vs £15 or £0 (second hand) with dlc purchase only if I really really want it.

the difference here is that you clearly state that there's a possibility of Bioware being capable of redemption. The other poster states they believe there is no redemption for them, so I would have to agree with the poster that asked them why they are still here.

There's a difference between feeling let down or disenfranchised, but still wanting to see improvement and having already totally written off the company.

[PaulSX]

Arcian wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Fdingo wrote...

There is no redemption after ME3.

But still you hang out at their forum, why?

Because some of us want them to get their act together and make good games like in the old days.

I do not find their old games were really that good as some old school folks claimed. BioWare's games have always been overrated till this day. I have to admit I enjoyed and liked most of their games for various reasons, yet I do not think going back to old school style is a good idea. while BG games were certainly challeging and richly designed games,  their locked top-down camera is really not that appealing to most folks here (at least I do not like it).  

Modifié par suntzuxi, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:53 .