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[ejoslin]

Persephone wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

deuce985 wrote...

The Witcher - BSN's prime example of why these forums are about double standards lol.

*shares his waffles with deuce985*

Heh....if Bioware EVER reduces a LI to a mention a stupid codex, then we'll see just how deep those double standards are.

Like they did in Awakening?

[syropbananowy]

Persephone wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

After playing Dragon's dogma and skyrim, I now fully understand that bioware is the only game company in this universe where I'm going to get good romance in a Rpg so I'm staying right here through thick and thin.

Haven`t played The Witcher, have you?

Played it.

The "romance" was horrible in both of them.

Plainly ignoring Shani to put Geralt in bed with Triss to introduce her ass first sure wasn't brilliant writing.

Maybe Yennefer will be different.

The thing with Witcher is that you don't get the whole story without reading books. Romance with Triss looks entirely differnt once you know what happened before the games.

[Samudo]

Bioware made one genuinely bad game DA2, one of the companies that you claim to be better, Obsidian, has consistently released games that are buggy as hell ( Fallout New Vegas and Alpha protocol among many others) or has literally no ending ( KOTOR II) or are just plain bad ( Dungeon Siege III) so why are you willing to give them a break but not Bioware?

[GPjessica73]

Samudo wrote...

Bioware made one genuinely bad game DA2, one of the companies that you claim to be better, Obsidian, has consistently released games that are buggy as hell ( Fallout New Vegas and Alpha protocol among many others) or has literally no ending ( KOTOR II) or are just plain bad ( Dungeon Siege III) so why are you willing to give them a break but not Bioware?

>blaming Obsidian for LucasArts rushing TSL release to make the holiday rush
Then again, inclomplete as it was without the restoration mod, it's still better than some completed endings we know

And so what if the games are buggy? Some of the best WRPGs ever made are buggy, comes with the territory apparently; Arcanum, The Sith Lords, Fallout 1/2/New Vegas, Daggerfall & Morrowind, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines...

DA2 isn't a bad game, it just has some bad decisions in it like generic dungeons and enemy spam

[Loaderini]

 hey what if they pull a negative Mass Effect 3? make the whole game horrible and the last five minutes awesome! i would play that game.

[Samudo]

GPjessica73 wrote...

Samudo wrote...

Bioware made one genuinely bad game DA2, one of the companies that you claim to be better, Obsidian, has consistently released games that are buggy as hell ( Fallout New Vegas and Alpha protocol among many others) or has literally no ending ( KOTOR II) or are just plain bad ( Dungeon Siege III) so why are you willing to give them a break but not Bioware?

>blaming Obsidian for LucasArts rushing TSL release to make the holiday rush
Then again, inclomplete as it was without the restoration mod, it's still better than some completed endings we know

And so what if the games are buggy? Some of the best WRPGs ever made are buggy, comes with the territory apparently; Arcanum, The Sith Lords, Fallout 1/2/New Vegas, Daggerfall & Morrowind, Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines...

DA2 isn't a bad game, it just has some bad decisions in it like generic dungeons and enemy spam

But it is not just KOTOR II that is buggy most of their games are, Alpha Protocol was delayed several times and it was still a complete mess, I'm not saying Obsidian is bad company I overall enjoyed FNV and KOTOR II despite the bugs, but just can't understand how people say they're better than Bioware when they are clearly not.

[Novate]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Novate wrote...

Even DA2 sold pretty well with the problems it had, then when ME3 was announced, the same angry players still came back and bought it, it will be the same exact thing, when DA3 goes live, the same people who was angry will also pick it up.

They were actually totally different "things."

DA2 was made in less than a year and was rushed as a consequence.  To compound matters, several deliberate design decisions were made that were expected to be controversial to begin with.

ME3 was a very polished game with a host of well-received features including multiplayer, but the ending of the narrative disappointed and angered so many players that it generated its own controversy.

If DA3 has a controversy, it is safe to predict it too will be something different, since the game is not being rushed, and doesn't have the same expectations for its narrative conclusion as ME3.

But whatever, EA is the devil and stuff.

It doesn't matter what was the cause, you can say DA2 was rushed , can't blame Bioware, you can say ME3 only the ending sucked so can't blame Bioware. 
IT will be the same thing, regardless of what DA3 brings, people will buy it 

Those that argued DA2 is rushed, make claims that DA3 isn't rushed therefor its gonna be great
Those that argued ME3 ending sucked, are already making claims that because DA and ME are made by different teams, it will have no impact. 

Therefor neither DA2 or ME3 has any impact on the sales of DA3. Thats what I am saying, even if it fails and bombs, it will still get great reviews because of the Dragon Age name, and there will only ever be a small vocal minority that will hate the game. 
EA is not the Devil, they are just great Businessman that understands consumers, and understands that people will keep buying stuff from them regardless of any negative news. You can see the amount of traffice generated just from the ME3 ending, the amount of fan fiction generated that brought in new consumers. 
The amount of people on BSN that posts. With so many eyes on DA3, its all potential profits. 

[milena87]

Persephone wrote...

Jerrybnsn wrote...

I don't think EA and Bioware are going to be prepared for the backlash from ME3. There are so many angry customers out there right now. DA3 had a hard enough time as it was by the bland, no plot, stripped down DA2 to contend with. But ME3's launch pretty much made the customers wary of any Bioware products in the future.

The activity and excitement the announcement of DAIII has prompted tell me otherwise.

Well, I don't know about others, but the reason I'm here is because I liked both DAO and DA2 and the team behind these games is not the same that gave me ME3. I won't buy another game from the ME team and I won't buy DA3 if MP will be confirmed or the game won't improve over DA2.
I really want to buy DA3, but I won't trust blindly again.

[Last Vizard]

Samudo wrote...

Bioware made one genuinely bad game DA2, one of the companies that you claim to be better, Obsidian, has consistently released games that are buggy as hell ( Fallout New Vegas and Alpha protocol among many others) or has literally no ending ( KOTOR II) or are just plain bad ( Dungeon Siege III) so why are you willing to give them a break but not Bioware?

Fallout New Vegas is an awesome game, better than DA 1 IMO and I really like DA 1.

[GPjessica73]

You mean it will have no impact because people are willing to sweep past grievances under the rug because they can't restrain themselves? And reviews will always be glowing because of name recognition and ad revenue? Yeah, that's sadly true.

Samudo wrote...

But it is not just KOTOR II that is buggy most of their games are, Alpha Protocol was delayed several times and it was still a complete mess, I'm not saying Obsidian is bad company I overall enjoyed FNV and KOTOR II despite the bugs, but just can't understand how people say they're better than Bioware when they are clearly not.

because they are lol, at least to us. Just because their QA is abysmal, doesn't discount their story/gameplay. Alpha Protocol iis probably the way Mass Effect was supposed to be, as far as choices serously impacting the game/end and the same goes for the dialog wheel and how your responses shape you and people's perceptions of you, like a more refined version of what we have in DA2 (which i do enjoy still)

Modifié par GPjessica73, 20 septembre 2012 - 01:11 .

[upsettingshorts]

Novate wrote...

Those that argued DA2 is rushed, make claims that DA3 isn't rushed therefor its gonna be great

Don't mischaracterize my argument.

There are things about DA2 most people hated that are a result of the game being rushed.

There are things about DA2 some people hated that are a result of deliberate changes in design philosophy.

DA3 will probably have much less of the former, and probably more of the same of the latter.  People in the latter camp are not going to be happy and will probly make threads like yours claiming the death of BioWare after its release.

Novate wrote... 

Those that argued ME3 ending sucked, are already making claims that because DA and ME are made by different teams, it will have no impact.

Because that's a sensible position?  I'm guessing the DA team watched what happened with ME in horror/amusement.

Novate wrote... 

Therefor neither DA2 or ME3 has any impact on the sales of DA3. Thats what I am saying, even if it fails and bombs, it will still get great reviews because of the Dragon Age name, and there will only ever be a small vocal minority that will hate the game.

What does that have to do with "redemption?"

[Massa FX]

Bioware's still our galaxies best RPG developer. Leave... but you'll come back.

They made odd decisions while trying to be innovative. Made some mistakes. Didn't play it safe. All that doesn't mean they suck, IMO. I hope EA realizes the gem they've acquired and leaves them alone to create.

They remind me of Origin Systems from back in the day. When EA killed them, I was furious.

Modifié par Massa FX, 20 septembre 2012 - 05:01 .

[El Mito]

There's a reason EA got voted the worst company in America, you know.

[JoltDealer]

Oh yeah because EA is totally worse than Haliburton or BP. It was an online thing and people online have the worst priorities. Mess up Mass Effect 3's ending is apparently worse than profiting from a war you allegedly helped start or causing a massive oil spill in the gulf according to them. Truly evil.

[Tasmen]

El Mito wrote...

There's a reason EA got voted the worst company in America, you know.

Because the internet is filled with people that have nothing better to do than stuff a poll?  I wouldn't put a lot of weight into that particular 'vote'.

[KotorEffect3]

PhillyB wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

btw ME 3 is a great game

This is why I have a list of people that shouldn't be taken seriously. And you, my friend, just made it to the top. Congratulations.

lol I love the narrowminded holier than thou attitude that haters have.  If you love something they hate then you are invalid in their eyes.

[KotorEffect3]

Tasmen wrote...

El Mito wrote...

There's a reason EA got voted the worst company in America, you know.

Because the internet is filled with people that have nothing better to do than stuff a poll?  I wouldn't put a lot of weight into that particular 'vote'.

This, if there is anything I have learned from gaming forums it is that gamers are never happy and cannot be appeased in any way.  And it is fun to hate big bad EA.  Either way I still buy bioware games and EA"s football games,  the internet gaming crowd will just have to deal with it

[Rawgrim]

Arcian wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Bioware's is still our galaxies best RPG developer.

No, that title belongs to Obsidian.

Massa FX wrote...

Leave... but you'll come back.

They made odd decisions while trying to be innovative. Made some mistakes. Didn't play it safe. All that doesn't mean the suck, IMO. I hope EA realizes the gem they've acquired and leaves them alone to create.

When EA consumes something, not even bones remain.

Origin was the best RPG developer in the 80s to mid 90s. No question about it. Guess what? EA bought the company, and it went downhill from there very fast. If you look at the Ultima series, you will se some very clear similarities to what happened to the latter ones in the series, to whats been happening to Bioware games in the recent couple of years.

[Korusus]

Massa FX wrote...

Bioware's still our galaxies best RPG developer. Leave... but you'll come back.

That would require them to actually make RPGs.  The Dragon Age 3 press release is the first time I've seen BioWare use the "RPG" word in a very long time.  Seriously.  Not kidding.  It's been years since I've seen BioWare embrace their image as an "RPG developer."  Pre-Skyrim I don't think BioWare wanted to associate their games with the genre anymore, insisting that "all games are merging into one big super-genre".  I think they assumed RPGs don't sell anymore...even as Dragon Age: Origins sells through the roof...  

EDIT:   Reread the Dragon Age 2 press release.  It's funny how RPG is only associated with Origins as having been "RPG of the Year", it's never actually used to describe DA2.  Compare that to the DA3 release: 

BioWare, a Label of
Electronic Arts, today announced
Dragon Age™ 3: Inquisition, the next chapter in the
award-winning role-playing game (RPG) franchise, is in development
at BioWare Edmonton and BioWare Montreal. Coming in late 2013,
Dragon Age 3: Inquisition combines the storytelling legacy
BioWare is known for, with deep RPG gameplay, all on a brand new
RPG game engine underpinned by EA’s critically-acclaimed
Frostbite™ 2 technology.

EDIT 2:  I'm having fun reading these two press releases.  DA2 is all about "innovation", creating a "dynamic combat system" "action" and "revolutionizing the genre".  The DA3 press release is all "deep RPG gameplay", "tactical and visceral combat" and "deep customization".

Modifié par Korusus, 20 septembre 2012 - 11:29 .

[JoltDealer]

What I don't get is how all these people so adamantly believe in EA's corruption of Bioware, but they still post on these forums. Why? Do they have nothing better to do?

[KotorEffect3]

Crimson Sound wrote...

What I don't get is how all these people so adamantly believe in EA's corruption of Bioware, but they still post on these forums. Why? Do they have nothing better to do?

Maybe fresh air is lethal to them

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Massa FX wrote...

Bioware's still our galaxies best RPG developer. Leave... but you'll come back.

Bioware haven't release a RPG since November 3, 2009

Also the best RPG dev at the minute is cdprojectred

Modifié par DinoSteve, 21 septembre 2012 - 01:19 .

[Vandicus]

Korusus wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Bioware's still our galaxies best RPG developer. Leave... but you'll come back.

That would require them to actually make RPGs.  The Dragon Age 3 press release is the first time I've seen BioWare use the "RPG" word in a very long time.  Seriously.  Not kidding.  It's been years since I've seen BioWare embrace their image as an "RPG developer."  Pre-Skyrim I don't think BioWare wanted to associate their games with the genre anymore, insisting that "all games are merging into one big super-genre".  I think they assumed RPGs don't sell anymore...even as Dragon Age: Origins sells through the roof...  

EDIT:   Reread the Dragon Age 2 press release.  It's funny how RPG is only associated with Origins as having been "RPG of the Year", it's never actually used to describe DA2.  Compare that to the DA3 release: 

BioWare, a Label of
Electronic Arts, today announced
Dragon Age™ 3: Inquisition, the next chapter in the
award-winning role-playing game (RPG) franchise, is in development
at BioWare Edmonton and BioWare Montreal. Coming in late 2013,
Dragon Age 3: Inquisition combines the storytelling legacy
BioWare is known for, with deep RPG gameplay, all on a brand new
RPG game engine underpinned by EA’s critically-acclaimed
Frostbite™ 2 technology.

EDIT 2:  I'm having fun reading these two press releases.  DA2 is all about "innovation", creating a "dynamic combat system" "action" and "revolutionizing the genre".  The DA3 press release is all "deep RPG gameplay", "tactical and visceral combat" and "deep customization".

A. Origins is really cheap now
B. DA2 sold about as well as Origins for PC, I'm not sure the how or why of it selling so poorly for consoles
C. DA2's advertisement was addressing what people felt was wrong with DA:O. The shuffling combat system and the lack of real innovation(same formula as KoToR without any additions, except the plot for KoToR was better/less generic). DA3's advertisement is targetted towards concerns about DA2, like the tactical aspect of combat, inability to customize companions, and the lack of player agency that people felt due to DA2 being dark fantasy(horror by necessity requires a feeling of helplessness, reducing the sense of player agency).