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Casey Hudson wants to hear fan's ideas on a new mass effect game


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Like i said only canonise the ending and leave everything else alone, i don't mind the destory ending being canon if we get a decent story out of it, I would go into more detail but i'm an touchpad and can't convince you.

 

If you canonize an ending you're telling everyone who picked a different ending in a choice based narrative "You chose wrong"

 

The forum will be aflame...again...

 

I mean there was an uproar over Udina being the human Councilor and that doesn't hold a candle to what you're proposing.



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If you canonize an ending you're telling everyone who picked a different ending in a choice based narrative "You chose wrong"

The forum will be aflame...again...

I mean there was an uproar over Udina being the human Councilor and that doesn't hold a candle to what you're proposing.

There would also be an uproar if the next game is set in a AU, somethings have to be done for the sake of the story.

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What I want for the next mass effect game is to be able to play as the different races and seeing different choices or story paths change depending on what race you have picked.



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There would also be an uproar if the next game is set in a AU, somethings have to be done for the sake of the story.

Who's story, though?



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Who's story, though?

The games story, trying to work around the endings will be very difficult, Bioware would need something to built the story upon.

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Like i said only canonise the ending and leave everything else alone, i don't mind the destory ending being canon if we get a decent story out of it, I would go into more detail but i'm an touchpad and can't convince you.

 

 

If you canonize an ending you're telling everyone who picked a different ending in a choice based narrative "You chose wrong"

 

The forum will be aflame...again...

 

I mean there was an uproar over Udina being the human Councilor and that doesn't hold a candle to what you're proposing.

 

 

That is not an answer to my question.

 

What makes canonizing one ending better than simply going AU?

 

I think this is the main tearing point in terms of fan opinion. I think both of you (myself included) were in the dark days of BSN following the release of ME3, and that is not a sight which I wish to repeat. Going AU on the franchise, while drastic, would allow a blank slate for the devs to work. Draw on the experiences of the trilogy to make a game with thought out themes, concepts, and most importantly, stories.

 

The main problem is, like Drone223 said, that the fans will whine and complain no matter what happens. If they decide to canonize an ending, and then they realize that everything is trivialized-forgotten, the old-time hardcore fans will have another rage, saying that ''My choices didn't matter!'' again even though they shouldn't.

 

On the other hand, trying to go AU is a bit like pushing the reset button. You will obviously have to change some pieces of lore/history, since I doubt the devs would decide to do AU just to erase the endings. The tough part is abandoning all the themes and events from the trilogy, and then trying to recreate them from a blank slate. You might get a continuation of what you had in the trilogy, but you might also deviate a bit from the original vision from the original trilogy. We all want something new and fresh, but how do you walk that line and keep it balanced? You get something that is ''fresh, but recognizable''. A lot of people want more of the same Mass Effect, and it's easier to do that in a continuing line (sequel) than it is in an AU.

 

Basically, I hope the devs remember what made Mass Effect so special and try to follow the route with whatever option suits them best. If an Ark type scenario where all species are sent to an unexplored part of the galaxy away from the Mass Relays sounds like a good story, go for it! Same thing for an AU or canonization route. Just make a game that will make the most people happy and will assure a good future for this franchise.


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well basic fact is that they have to cannonize an ending because the scale of the endings, of which i hate on me3 ( ruined the trilogy for me) would require 3 different trilogys within the next branch, and i dont mean 3 new games, i mean 3 different trilogys. If not they would have togo backwards. If they did that i simply would not purchase it, i know pre history like the back of my hand and if you know what happens, whats the relevence of your choices from that point on.

 

 For me they should rewrite the trilogy ending with the remake of the trilogy for the next gens, which they are doing in one huge game instead of 3 seperate games from what i can tell.



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Personally I think that Bioware should just bite the bullet and canonize one ending. But failing that, the only form of "AU", I would accept would be one where Shepard opens the Citadel, the Crucible docks, Shepard goes and sits next to Andersen, we get the "Best seats in the house" line…. and then the Reapers (just the Reapers) blow up. Everything else would remain exactly the same, with the exception of Harbinger actually talking to Shepard in ME 3, and the Reapers being the actual antagonists.

 

Yes, I realize that this is (basically) the MEHEM, but that is how much of a "redo" I want to see in regards to the setting. Having a Mass Effect where the Reapers never existed brings into question why the Protheans, and previous civilizations died out with little to no knowledge of them. It also creates a problem with the Mass Relays, the Citadel, and basically all Mass Effect technology. If the Reapers are gone then so is everything else that made Mass Effect, Mass Effect. Also, I happen to like the Reapers (not the Catalyst; just so that distinction is clear) wanting to scrap them entirely from the setting is a mistake, and would make no more sense then people calling for the scrapping all humans because Ki Leng was one. Get rid of the Catalyst, leave the rest of the setting as is, and move forward.



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I personally think they should rewrite the ending(s), put it out as DLC prior to launch of the next game(s) and carry on from that point. I just don't see any real way around doing this unless they will be doing a prequel or something of the sort, which I'm really not interested in. To be honest, I just wish they would rewrite the ending, period. Despite the fact that the way ME3 ended was, IMO a mess, I think it is still the best overall platform to base the future story upon. If they try to reboot the trilogy this soon after the first, I think it would basically be admitting that things were screwed up first time around. Modified ending DLC could be the most efficient way to reconcile some of the issues at hand.



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I personally think they should rewrite the ending(s), put it out as DLC prior to launch of the next game(s) and carry on from that point. I just don't see any real way around doing this unless they will be doing a prequel or something of the sort, which I'm really not interested in. To be honest, I just wish they would rewrite the ending, period. Despite the fact that the way ME3 ended was, IMO a mess, I think it is still the best overall platform to base the future story upon. If they try to reboot the trilogy this soon after the first, I think it would basically be admitting that things were screwed up first time around. Modified ending DLC could be the most efficient way to reconcile some of the issues at hand.

Not going to happen, Bioware said the EC will be the only ending DLC they'll make which they have said repetidly, they also siad Citadel DLC servers as the final DLC for the trilogy as a whole.

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I think The ending is fine Special now that i know we are getting a new Mass effect game a new series.

So i feel like the shepard chapter is closed, and we can begin on a new epic sci fi adventure again.

yes i felt dissapointed and let down at first, but after i heard a new ME was in the works...

im starting to feel better about the mass effect 3 ending.



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Mister Hudson, I would like a stargazer to narrate the next game. A stargazer named Varric, preferably.

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If you canonize an ending you're telling everyone who picked a different ending in a choice based narrative "You chose wrong"


You mean the handful of people that didn't pick Destroy......? :D

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You mean the handful of people that didn't pick Destroy......? :D

 

Like me...? ;)

 

Yeah, I honestly can't see them picking a canon ending. There are ways around having to deal them, and I hope they do so.



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Like me...? ;)
 
Yeah, I honestly can't see them picking a canon ending. There are ways around having to deal them, and I hope they do so.


Agree - there are numerous ways around it, one of which I'm sure BW will take.

I suspect that if they did canonise an ending then it would be Destroy. Wouldn't bother me as that was my ending of choice anyway, but yeah, I'm sure people who opted for the other endings would be thrilled. If they went with Synthesis for example, I suspect that my controller would go through the screen. Or out the window.
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You mean the handful of people that didn't pick Destroy......? :D

 

Unfortunately, BSN doesn't represent the entire fanbase. While the most vocal and hardcore of the fanbase might have chosen destroy, the others might have chosen differently. Even if the % is 20% Control, 15% Synthesis, 5% Refuse, and 60% Destroy amongst the entire fanbase (stats only Bioware has), you'd still be saying to 40% of your fanbase ''Sorry, you're out of luck''. That's still a lot of people. and while we might think we are special because we are the hardcore fans who visit forums, Bioware has to consider everyone, since it is not only us members who spread opinions (often exageratted), but word of mouth and feedback from everyone is important.



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Unfortunately, BSN doesn't represent the entire fanbase. While the most vocal and hardcore of the fanbase might have chosen destroy, the others might have chosen differently. Even if the % is 20% Control, 15% Synthesis, 5% Refuse, and 60% Destroy amongst the entire fanbase (stats only Bioware has), you'd still be saying to 40% of your fanbase ''Sorry, you're out of luck''. That's still a lot of people. and while we might think we are special because we are the hardcore fans who visit forums, Bioware has to consider everyone, since it is not only us members who spread opinions (often exageratted), but word of mouth and feedback from everyone is important.

 

Not to mention the headcanon crowd:

 

Those who play Citadel as their ending

The Marauder Shields fans

The MEHEM crowd

ITers

 

And so on.

 

Edit:  Heck anyone who turns off the game after 'You did good"



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Not to mention the headcanon crowd:

 

Those who play Citadel as their ending

The Marauder Shields fans

The MEHEM crowd

ITers

 

And so on.

 

Edit:  Heck anyone who turns off the game after 'You did good"

tbh I don't think they'll consider headcanon endings.



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tbh I don't think they'll consider headcanon endings.

 

They should consider that a lot of people need that headcanon



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They should consider that a lot of people need that headcanon

Well in the end what ever Bioware does will render any headcanon moot.



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Well in the end what ever Bioware does will render any headcanon moot.

 

Unless they go AU



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Unless they go AU

Which they shouldn't, no need to retell plot points that have been already resolved.



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Which they shouldn't, no need to retell plot points that have been already resolved.

 

Then tell different stories.



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Then tell different stories.

Not really that simple since they'll have to address the same stories again, who built the Mass relay's?, What killed the protheans?, What of the genophage and the geth?



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Not really that simple since they'll have to address the same stories again, who built the Mass relay's?, What killed the protheans?, What of the genophage and the geth?

 

Genophage and the geth will be a problem no matter what.  A sequel would have to canonize something anyway, and those aren't even endgame choices. necessarily.

 

As for the rest, why would they have to go over that again?  Is every Dragon Age game about darkspawn and Blights?