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[Balsam Beige]

But that is all you have. You have no say in the matter over anything different.

You are correct. I would never presume I do.

[Shepard-Tali]

killing shepard? RADIO Joker for pick up> then either 1> Radio hacket or any available fighters to shoot those stupid cylinders or tell Garrus to put a single bullet into those stupid cylinders while you and your crew flies away [Garus can just snipe those BS cylinders while you are boarding the Normandy]! heck even before meeting that stupid casper ghost kid Hacket contacted you then suddenly Shepard just gives in? dafuq is this brah?
 

If only you were up there instead of Shepard! I probably would have asked the ghost kid if I was allowed to do that, cos I wouldn't want to risk them blowing up the Normandy. The ghost kid had been pretty reasonable so far, basically handing you free reign over whether it dies or not, so I'm sure it would have allowed Shep to bring the Normandy in for a drive by shooting of the canisters

[God]

killing shepard? RADIO Joker for pick up> then either 1> Radio hacket or any available fighters to shoot those stupid cylinders or tell Garrus to put a single bullet into those stupid cylinders while you and your crew flies away [Garus can just snipe those BS cylinders while you are boarding the Normandy]! heck even before meeting that stupid casper ghost kid Hacket contacted you then suddenly Shepard just gives in? dafuq is this brah?

 

 

The amount of time it takes for Shepard to call the Normandy in to pick him up will take up all the time the fleet can give you to make your choice before the Reapers trash the Crucible. You have a limited amount of time to choose. 

 

Before you meet the Catalyst, you have no knowledge of what needs to be done or how. You'd essentially be shooting yourself in the foot.

 

As I said, Shepard has a pistol. He should use it.

[God]

LOL

My Shepard did no such thing. I have complete control over my Shepard.

MEHEM is not bioware head canon. It's just a choice. A choice I chose to make. It won't effect MENext in the slightest.

 

Lolz indeed.

 

Your Shepard did do such a thing. You have complete control over your Shepard, control to pick 1 of 4 endings in the game. The game is beyond your control, and the 4 endings are beyond your ability to influence.

 

MEHEM is fanfiction. Not BW canon. It's not a valid choice. It's you not bothering to finish the game. It's nothing more than a fantasy. Not real. No matter how much you want it to be. 

 

The closest you can get is to destroy. You get what you want. The Geth and EDI are dead, and the relays are (at best) temporarily out of commission. That's what happens in your canon.

[themikefest]

How much time does Shepard have to choose an ending?  Does a critical mission failure screen pop up if the player waits too long to choose? I've never tried that. I might one day just to see the screen.

[Shepard-Tali]

I remember in the original ending, before the extended cut, eventually you would get a critical mission failure.. I'm assuming now they've incorporated it into the "refusal" ending if you just stand there. I'm sure someone will know?


On a different tangent.. When did the reapers find out that we'd built the crucible? And did they know that the citadel was the catalyst? Because if so, I don't know why they would move the Citadel to earth, unless they just did that to finish processing the humans? It seems like they would try to destroy the crucible first, and until they could find it, move the citadel deep into reaper controlled space? These are probably stupid questions though.

[The Arbiter]

The amount of time it takes for Shepard to call the Normandy in to pick him up will take up all the time the fleet can give you to make your choice before the Reapers trash the Crucible. You have a limited amount of time to choose. 

 

Before you meet the Catalyst, you have no knowledge of what needs to be done or how. You'd essentially be shooting yourself in the foot.

 

As I said, Shepard has a pistol. He should use it.

Joker was on standby engaging enemy fighters near the citadel... the Normandy is the fastest ship in the galactic fleet and piloted by the best human pilot that ever existed. There was enough time for pickup so long as those cylinders where not damage or the crucible fired upon by the reapers. Yet Shepard took all the time to talk to that rogue AI lmao. Furthermore, the Catalyst is not stupid to control one of its reapers to fire upon the Crucible or ITSELF which would then damage the Citadel where it houses the Catalyst. LOL this is why Shepard has all the time in the world. Also now that you have mentioned it... why Activate the crucible when you can just blow the Citadel altogether where it houses the master control unit of all Reapers? the Catalyst lel

[God]

How much time does Shepard have to choose an ending?  Does a critical mission failure screen pop up if the player waits too long to choose? I've never tried that. I might one day just to see the screen.

 

I don't know how long it is. Something like 3 to 5 minutes. Yes, a CMF screen appears; it mentions that the Reapers broke through the defenses and destroyed the Crucible.

[God]

I remember in the original ending, before the extended cut, eventually you would get a critical mission failure.. I'm assuming now they've incorporated it into the "refusal" ending if you just stand there. I'm sure someone will know?


On a different tangent.. When did the reapers find out that we'd built the crucible? And did they know that the citadel was the catalyst? Because if so, I don't know why they would move the Citadel to earth, unless they just did that to finish processing the humans? It seems like they would try to destroy the crucible first, and until they could find it, move the citadel deep into reaper controlled space? These are probably stupid questions though.

 

It's not quite the same as the Refusal ending. There's no cutscene for it. Just a CMF screen which pops up and tells you that the Reapers destroyed the Crucible.

 

Hand waives and ass pulls await you on that line of thought.

[Balsam Beige]

Lolz indeed.
 
Your Shepard did do such a thing. You have complete control over your Shepard, control to pick 1 of 4 endings in the game. The game is beyond your control, and the 4 endings are beyond your ability to influence.
 
MEHEM is fanfiction. Not BW canon. It's not a valid choice. It's you not bothering to finish the game. It's nothing more than a fantasy. Not real. No matter how much you want it to be. 
 
The closest you can get is to destroy. You get what you want. The Geth and EDI are dead, and the relays are (at best) temporarily out of commission. That's what happens in your canon.

Seriously? The entire game is not real. It's fiction.

I deny and ignore the choices bioware gave me. That's the personal canon I chose. Nothing more.

The game was beyond my control until some hard working mass effect modders developed a ending mod that was more to my liking. I changed my personal mass effect canon. Mine, not yours or anybody else's.

It doesn't change the official 4 choices or the official bioware mass effect canon.

[God]

Joker was on standby engaging enemy fighters near the citadel... the Normandy is the fastest ship in the galactic fleet and piloted by the best human pilot that ever existed. There was enough time for pickup so long as those cylinders where not damage or the crucible fired upon by the reapers. Yet Shepard took all the time to talk to that rogue AI lmao. Furthermore, the Catalyst is not stupid to control one of its reapers to fire upon the Crucible or ITSELF which would then damage the Citadel where it houses the Catalyst. LOL this is why Shepard has all the time in the world. Also now that you have mentioned it... why Activate the crucible when you can just blow the Citadel altogether where it houses the master control unit of all Reapers? the Catalyst lel

 

This is untrue and based entirely on supposition. Joker being in the vicinity of the Citadel does not mean that he could have reached Shepard's position (or even know if Shepard was still alive). The speed of the Normandy and Joker's skill (which is suspect as there is no solid evidence supporting your claim, and fan-wanking doesn't count), no one knew that destroying the pipe would cause the Destroy ending. You have to take the time to talk to the Catalyst. Otherwise, you can float and sputter and watch the Reapers slowly turn your race into a museum exhibit. 

 

The Catalyst is not in direct control of the Reapers. That's something that seems to get thrown around a lot, and something that isn't true on the level they believe. The Catalyst is the overarching authoritative entity for the Reapers, not an absolute puppet-master pulling every string. 

 

And yes, the Reapers are indeed firing on the Crucible. You do not have all the time in the world. Play the ending and wait for a few minutes. You will get a 'Critical Mission Failure' that explains to you that you waited too long to activate the Crucible. 

 

Why destroy the Citadel? Because you're wasting time shooting at the extremely durable Citadel instead of at Reapers, allowing them to much easier destroy your ships and the Crucible. 

 

Also, there is zero evidence to suggest that destroying the Citadel would destroy the Catalyst or deactivate the Reapers. Plus, you're senselessly killing the millions of people still trapped on the Citadel. Going by the Control ending, it seems the Catalyst actually permeates within each and every Reaper. You'd have to destroy every Reaper to kill the Catalyst in that scenario. You have a means to do that. You have a gun, and there's a pipe. And you're less than 100 meters from it. Shoot the pipe, if that's the conclusion you want.

[God]

Seriously? The entire game is not real. It's fiction.

I deny and ignore the choices bioware gave me. That's the personal canon I chose. Nothing more.

The game was beyond my control until some hard working mass effect modders developed a ending mod that was more to my liking. I changed my personal mass effect canon. Mine, not yours or anybody else's.

It doesn't change the official 4 choices or the official bioware mass effect canon.

 

I know it's fiction. Somebody else's fiction. Not yours.

 

That's just it, you can't deny and ignore the choices BW gave you. Your personal canon does not, can not, and will not exist. Whether you like it or not, your Shepard chose destroy. The BW version.

 

Your personal Mass Effect canon is constrained to the choices that BW alone gave you. Not yours, not mine, and not MrFob's (I'm actually friends with him. He's a pretty cool guy.) No mod, ignorance, or denial on your part will ever change that.

 

Indeed. Your Shepard thus chose one of the 4 official choices. High EMS Destroy, by the sound of it. And the consequences that go along with it. 

[Balsam Beige]

I know it's fiction. Somebody else's fiction. Not yours.
 
That's just it, you can't deny and ignore the choices BW gave you. Your personal canon does not, can not, and will not exist. Whether you like it or not, your Shepard chose destroy. The BW version.
 
Your personal Mass Effect canon is constrained to the choices that BW alone gave you. Not yours, not mine, and not MrFob's (I'm actually friends with him. He's a pretty cool guy.) No mod, ignorance, or denial on your part will ever change that.
 
Indeed. Your Shepard thus chose one of the 4 official choices. High EMS Destroy, by the sound of it. And the consequences that go along with it.

But it does exist. To me. It's my personal canon. I chose a modded variation of destroy. Nothing wrong with that.

Let's call a truce. It's like we are looking at a object at two different angles. We can agree to disagree.

[The Arbiter]

This is untrue and based entirely on supposition. Joker being in the vicinity of the Citadel does not mean that he could have reached Shepard's position (or even know if Shepard was still alive). The speed of the Normandy and Joker's skill (which is suspect as there is no solid evidence supporting your claim, and fan-wanking doesn't count), no one knew that destroying the pipe would cause the Destroy ending. You have to take the time to talk to the Catalyst. Otherwise, you can float and sputter and watch the Reapers slowly turn your race into a museum exhibit. 

 

The Catalyst is not in direct control of the Reapers. That's something that seems to get thrown around a lot, and something that isn't true on the level they believe. The Catalyst is the overarching authoritative entity for the Reapers, not an absolute puppet-master pulling every string. 

 

And yes, the Reapers are indeed firing on the Crucible. You do not have all the time in the world. Play the ending and wait for a few minutes. You will get a 'Critical Mission Failure' that explains to you that you waited too long to activate the Crucible. 

 

Why destroy the Citadel? Because you're wasting time shooting at the extremely durable Citadel instead of at Reapers, allowing them to much easier destroy your ships and the Crucible. 

 

Also, there is zero evidence to suggest that destroying the Citadel would destroy the Catalyst or deactivate the Reapers. Plus, you're senselessly killing the millions of people still trapped on the Citadel. Going by the Control ending, it seems the Catalyst actually permeates within each and every Reaper. You'd have to destroy every Reaper to kill the Catalyst in that scenario. You have a means to do that. You have a gun, and there's a pipe. And you're less than 100 meters from it. Shoot the pipe, if that's the conclusion you want.

First of all "no one knew that destroying the pipe would cause the Destroy ending. You have to take the time to talk to the Catalyst" that's where Shepard radios Joker or hacket and says to casper THANKS FOR THE INTEL.

 

Second from wiki - The Catalyst serves as the architect and overseer of the Reapers and their cycles. As it explains to Commander Shepard, the Catalyst was created by the Leviathans, who noticed that many of the organic races they commanded were eventually felled by their own synthetic creations. To prevent such events from happening, they created the Catalyst - which they referred to as "The Intelligence" - to oversee relations between organic and synthetic life. The Catalyst was programmed to ensure the continued existence of life in the galaxy through any means necessary. IT IS THE MASTER CONTROL UNIT THE CPU THE CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT ALSO The Catalyst, also known as the Intelligence, is an ancient artificial intelligence that resides within the Citadel. Casper was introduced only in ME3 within 10 MINUTES OF THE FRIGGING GAME nowhere in ME1 OR 2 he was shown "residing" within every reaper dafuq!!!! As a matter of fact I thought the Reapers where all self aware and Harbinger being the ultimate bad arse of bad arsery in the entire existence of bad arsess but nope!!!

 

Third yes you do have a point. Targeting the Citadel would take time. However to the second issue about "countless of millions trapped inside the citadel" hah I HAVE THIS IN ONE POST pointing out as a major plot hole! Notice no one in the Citadel contacted for help? Notice c-sec went dark? NOTICE TIM JUST WALTZ RIGHT IN? what happened to General Oraka, Aria and Captain Bailey? where is my mercenary groups? if there is anything which is logical the final moments of ME3 should have been priority CITADEL a huge war to gain control over the crucible docking safely in the citadel as quoted from one of my post:

 

What I hated about priority earth? rushed, forced and does not have any logic at all. It should have been "Priority: Citadel"

 

During priority Cerberus base the Illusive man fled to the citadel to try to find a way to control the reapers but it wasn't shown in the game how he "went" or "waltz" right in without triggering a fire-fight. That could have been the best chance for Bioware to make another suicide mission for Shepard and all of his friends attempting to intercept the Citadel and ensure the docking of the crucible safely while you fight countless Reaper forces inside the wards and Pressidiums. Commander Bailey General Oraka and Aria leading the evacuation and offense of the Citadel, while you are followed by the Galactic fleet and forces.

 

Here's my canon or "how it should have been in Priority: Earth"

http://forum.bioware...cannon-for-me3/

 

 

However, I have to give credit to Bioware for the entire Trilogy what a blast it wast! Citadel DLC was also great. Before dragging this thread out of topic I would like to say good luck for them in ME4.

 

What I would like Casey to hear is that ME4 should be LOGICAL NOT RUSHED NO "BUY THIS DLC TO UNDERSTAND THE GAME"

[Nohvarr]

First of all "no one knew that destroying the pipe would cause the Destroy ending. You have to take the time to talk to the Catalyst" that's where Shepard radios Joker or hacket and says to casper THANKS FOR THE INTEL.

 

So now they have to fight through a swarm of Reapers to do what you want, with no guarantee of success, whereas Shepard can walk over and shoot it right now. Hmmm risking everyone life on an attack that may not work or have Shepard solve the problem right now.

 

Second from wiki - The Catalyst serves as the architect and overseer of the Reapers and their cycles. As it explains to Commander Shepard, the Catalyst was created by the Leviathans, who noticed that many of the organic races they commanded were eventually felled by their own synthetic creations. To prevent such events from happening, they created the Catalyst - which they referred to as "The Intelligence" - to oversee relations between organic and synthetic life. The Catalyst was programmed to ensure the continued existence of life in the galaxy through any means necessary. IT IS THE MASTER CONTROL UNIT THE CPU THE CENTRAL PROCESSING UNIT ALSO The Catalyst, also known as the Intelligence, is an ancient artificial intelligence that resides within the Citadel. Casper was introduced only in ME3 within 10 MINUTES OF THE FRIGGING GAME nowhere in ME1 OR 2 he was shown "residing" within every reaper dafuq!!!! As a matter of fact I thought the Reapers where all self aware and Harbinger being the ultimate bad arse of bad arsery in the entire existence of bad arsess but nope!!!

 

Here's something to consider, Destroying the citadel from the outside would not trigger the blast that shutdown the Reapers all over the galaxy. The Reapers are not the battledroids from Star Wars, they can operate independent of their overseer, and likely would just continue exterminating the current cycle. You have to target trigger the blast and the only sure fire way to do that is from where Shepard is at endgame.

 

Third yes you do have a point. Targeting the Citadel would take time. However to the second issue about "countless of millions trapped inside the citadel" hah I HAVE THIS IN ONE POST pointing out as a major plot hole! Notice no one in the Citadel contacted for help? Notice c-sec went dark? NOTICE TIM JUST WALTZ RIGHT IN? what happened to General Oraka, Aria and Captain Bailey? where is my mercenary groups? if there is anything which is logical the final moments of ME3 should have been priority CITADEL a huge war to gain control over the crucible docking safely in the citadel as quoted from one of my post:

 

Actually, they said that most of the citadel population took Shelter in secure bunkers. Any resistance was likely wiped out when the Reapers took command. So even though there are no soldiers left to fight there are still plenty of innocent people the Reapers simply haven't gotten around to harvesting yet left on he Citadel.

 

The majority of the Citadel's defense forces (aside from C-Sec which only numbers 200,000) were likely taken away by the various races during the Reaper war to defend their own homes. The fact that the Destiny's Ascension (the capital ship of the Citadel fleet) was a part of the final attack implies that.

 

During priority Cerberus base the Illusive man fled to the citadel to try to find a way to control the reapers but it wasn't shown in the game how he "went" or "waltz" right in without triggering a fire-fight.

 

Considering that Cerberus was a pawn of the Reapers by this point, the Illusive man walking in after they've captured the facility is really not hard to see at all.

[The Arbiter]

So now they have to fight through a swarm of Reapers to do what you want, with no guarantee of success, whereas Shepard can walk over and shoot it right now. Hmmm risking everyone life on an attack that may not work or have Shepard solve the problem right now.

 

 

 

 

Here's something to consider, Destroying the citadel from the outside would not trigger the blast that shutdown the Reapers all over the galaxy. The Reapers are not the battledroids from Star Wars, they can operate independent of their overseer, and likely would just continue exterminating the current cycle. You have to target trigger the blast and the only sure fire way to do that is from where Shepard is at endgame.

 

 

 

 

Actually, they said that most of the citadel population took Shelter in secure bunkers. Any resistance was likely wiped out when the Reapers took command. So even though there are no soldiers left to fight there are still plenty of innocent people the Reapers simply haven't gotten around to harvesting yet left on he Citadel.

 

The majority of the Citadel's defense forces (aside from C-Sec which only numbers 200,000) were likely taken away by the various races during the Reaper war to defend their own homes. The fact that the Destiny's Ascension (the capital ship of the Citadel fleet) was a part of the final attack implies that.

 

 

 

 

Considering that Cerberus was a pawn of the Reapers by this point, the Illusive man walking in after they've captured the facility is really not hard to see at all.

They all knew the risk they took the risk on the collectors why WUSS OUT? the commander has always served them during their ups and downs time to repay the commander. Even if the commander would not ask them if a single squadmate saw Shepard in that condition no doubt they would risk everything for Shepard.

 

Yes you do have a point about the second one targeting the citadel altogether may not work. A sniper bullet from Garrus would work though

 

Can you give me the source on exactly "where they took shelter" I might have missed it. Furthermore you are telling me everyone just abandoned the Citadel so that they can take part on the final battle?

 

wasn't Cerberus wiped out? even that ninja dude was pawned so how the hell did just TIM waltz right in?

[themikefest]

Here's my canon or "how it should have been in Priority: Earth"
http://forum.bioware...cannon-for-me3/

Here's a version of Priority Earth I would do.
 

Actually, they said that most of the citadel population took Shelter in secure bunkers. Any resistance was likely wiped out when the Reapers took command. So even though there are no soldiers left to fight there are still plenty of innocent people the Reapers simply haven't gotten around to harvesting yet left on he Citadel.

They also said that all named characters are alive
 

The majority of the Citadel's defense forces (aside from C-Sec which only numbers 200,000) were likely taken away by the various races during the Reaper war to defend their own homes. The fact that the Destiny's Ascension (the capital ship of the Citadel fleet) was a part of the final attack implies that.

It doesn't imply anything if the ship was destroyed in ME1

[The Arbiter]

Here's a version of Priority Earth I would do.
 

They also said that all named characters are alive
 

It doesn't imply anything if the ship was destroyed in ME1

see a sniper bullet xD all other elements of your canon are the same with mine, fire teams, holding the line, ground troops and hammer and sword, tactical plans only the difference your battle took place on earth while mine on the Citadel itself. Bioware could have... ah forget it its been 3 years already

[goishen]

Joker was on standby engaging enemy fighters near the citadel... the Normandy is the fastest ship in the galactic fleet and piloted by the best human pilot that ever existed. There was enough time for pickup so long as those cylinders where not damage or the crucible fired upon by the reapers. Yet Shepard took all the time to talk to that rogue AI lmao. Furthermore, the Catalyst is not stupid to control one of its reapers to fire upon the Crucible or ITSELF which would then damage the Citadel where it houses the Catalyst. LOL this is why Shepard has all the time in the world. Also now that you have mentioned it... why Activate the crucible when you can just blow the Citadel altogether where it houses the master control unit of all Reapers? the Catalyst lel

 

Let's think about what you're saying.   EDI is the Normandy.  Jeff has given control over to EDI for small background tasks, like engaging the engines.  Jeff also has no knowledge of what Shepard is seeing. 

 

So, therefore, if Shepard radios Jeff to come and pick him up while Garrus blows up the Reapers, EDI will also be affected.  Leaving them stranded there long enough to get devastated by the blast. 

 

Great choice.   Why not just choose refusal?  Or do you want everyone on board the Normandy to die?

[The Arbiter]

Let's think about what you're saying.   EDI is the Normandy.  Jeff has given control over to EDI for small background tasks, like engaging the engines.  Jeff also has no knowledge of what Shepard is seeing. 

 

So, therefore, if Shepard radios Jeff to come and pick him up while Garrus blows up the Reapers, EDI will also be affected.  Leaving them stranded there long enough to get devastated by the blast. 

 

Great choice.   Why not just choose refusal?  Or do you want everyone on board the Normandy to die?

soooo how did Jeff manage to control the Normandy in the normal destroy ending if EDI just dies? the cruicible takes time to charge probably a 10 second delay even then after Shepard is secured they can engage the FTL travel instantly just like in the normal extended cut they still outrun the blast anyway if you are talking about EDI and the Geth suddenly learning about the destroy outcome and turning against you the game would be more interesting than just activate crucible, colored explosions Normandy crashes

[Nohvarr]

They all knew the risk they took the risk on the collectors why WUSS OUT?

That's not wussing out, it's simple practicality. You think Shepard is going to risk the safety of the universe on the chance the Normandy MAY get through when he can solve the problem right then and there with no risk to anyone else? Shepard knew what he signed up for when he joined the service.

 

Yes you do have a point about the second one targeting the citadel altogether may not work. A sniper bullet from Garrus would work though

 

So, how do you get Garrus into position while the Reapers are currently wiping out the fleet? Again Shepard has a means to end the problem right there with no need to risk anyone else or mission failure. This is where you take the shot and damn the consequences to ones self.

 

Can you give me the source on exactly "where they took shelter" I might have missed it. Furthermore you are telling me everyone just abandoned the Citadel so that they can take part on the final battle?

 

Not sure if it was Tully Ackland but one of the devs flat out stated that fact, I think on these forums or in an interview.

 

wasn't Cerberus wiped out? even that ninja dude was pawned so how the hell did just TIM waltz right in?

 

What part of 'under Reaper control' are you not getting? At that point why WOULDN'T they let him in, he's no threat to them at all and can only hamper Shepard's efforts.

[The Arbiter]

That's not wussing out, it's simple practicality. You think Shepard is going to risk the safety of the universe on the chance the Normandy MAY get through when he can solve the problem right then and there with no risk to anyone else? Shepard knew what he signed up for when he joined the service.

 

 

 

 

So, how do you get Garrus into position while the Reapers are currently wiping out the fleet? Again Shepard has a means to end the problem right there with no need to risk anyone else or mission failure. This is where you take the shot and damn the consequences to ones self.

 

 

 

 

Not sure if it was Tully Ackland but one of the devs flat out stated that fact, I think on these forums or in an interview.

 

 

 

 

What part of 'under Reaper control' are you not getting? At that point why WOULDN'T they let him in, he's no threat to them at all and can only hamper Shepard's efforts.

For the first part. Stupidity at its finest, if there is a chance for extraction why not? besides the Reaper forces are busy being engaged by different fleets even Hacket fleet just arrived in-time for reinforcements and cover support. Furthermore, the Normandy has been upgraded in ME2 to withstand almost any damage from reaper forces except a direct hit from one of the Reapers themselves. If I was in his position I would call for an extraction while a Sniper takes out one of those stupid cylinders unless if the Normandy is being engaged at the moment then Yes I would go for Jihad then

 

Open the doors, Garrus aims, takes the perfect shot just like how Joker extracted the commander in ME2 wherein the Normandy was clearly under heavy fire

 

TIM has implants right in his face so he just waltz right in? best security in the galaxy

[Nohvarr]

For the first part. Stupidity at its finest, Stupidity at its finest, if there is a chance for extraction why not?

If taking that chance risks the lives of billions to save one person it's not worth it, and THAT would be the actual stupid decision.

 

besides the Reaper forces are busy being engaged by different fleets even Hacket fleet just arrived in-time for reinforcements and cover support.

 

And the Reapers are chewing through those forces at an alarming rate, or did you not notice that no more than 50% of the ground forces make it to the surface and of all the people fighting to reach the transfer point....two people make it.

 

Furthermore, the Normandy has been upgraded in ME2 to withstand almost any damage from reaper forces except a direct hit from one of the Reapers themselves.

 

And you think the Reapers are going to let it get into position to do anything? Honestly it's a miracle the Normandy wasn't shot down when it extracted some of Shepard's team during the final run. The Upgraded Normandy could take a collector ship....but it took a fleet of Quarian vessals to stop one low level Reaper vessel and the Normandy was flying an evasive pattern the entire time to avoid it's weapons.

 

If I was in his position I would call for an extraction while a Sniper takes out one of those stupid cylinders unless if the Normandy is being engaged at the moment then Yes I would go for Jihad then

 

Open the doors, Garrus aims, takes the perfect shot just like how Joker extracted the commander in ME2 wherein the Normandy was clearly under heavy fire

 

That was fire from hand held guns not Reaper capital ship weapons, and your assuming it would be allowed to get that close. A whole lot of things would have to go right for your plan to have any hope of success, whereas Shepard ensured the safety of the Galaxy and at worst it cost the Commander their life.

 

TIM has implants right in his face so he just waltz right in? best security in the galaxy

 

And you accuse ME of deniying the truth. The Catalyst flat out states that TIM was under their influence, so they had no reason to fear him at all.

[The Arbiter]

If taking that chance risks the lives of billions to save one person it's not worth it, and THAT would be the actual stupid decision.

 

 

 

 

And the Reapers are chewing through those forces at an alarming rate, or did you not notice that no more than 50% of the ground forces make it to the surface and of all the people fighting to reach the transfer point....two people make it.

 

 

 

 

And you think the Reapers are going to let it get into position to do anything? Honestly it's a miracle the Normandy wasn't shot down when it extracted some of Shepard's team during the final run. The Upgraded Normandy could take a collector ship....but it took a fleet of Quarian vessals to stop one low level Reaper vessel and the Normandy was flying an evasive pattern the entire time to avoid it's weapons.

 

 

 

 

That was fire from hand held guns not Reaper capital ship weapons, and your assuming it would be allowed to get that close. A whole lot of things would have to go right for your plan to have any hope of success, whereas Shepard ensured the safety of the Galaxy and at worst it cost the Commander their life.

 

 

 

 

And you accuse ME of deniying the truth. The Catalyst flat out states that TIM was under their influence, so they had no reason to fear him at all.

How the hell would the normandy docking for a quick extraction in-danger the life of the entire galaxy if Shepard is still safe in that upside down crucible place? here let me make it clear for you if Shepard decides to call for an extraction naturally it will take time for it to get there and infrom Garrus about the cylinders Shepard can have a tea party while he waits. By the time the Normandy gets there and assuming arguendo it gets raped by the Reapers since slices through anything then what? Shepard still stands then he can commit Harakiri via shooting the cylinders. But I'm sure Hackets fleet can provide adequate cover for the Normandy to get to Shepard in the nick of time like a blocking force.

 

In my playthrough  with high EMS both sides where getting decimated casualties where mounting on all sides

 

No the reapers won't let the Normandy get in position but Hacket will and besides what boggles my mind is that I did not see any Geth forces in the final battle. They could have assisted via orbital drops on the location of Shepard they are robots with accurate calculation and are on par with reaper forces or even maybe better in terms of combat, I was looking for them the whole time I was expecting to fight side by side with them but all I got was a tea party with Anderson and Tim and Casper.

 

I was referring to C-SEC for being blind. HOW ON EARTH does he waltz in straight into the Citadel without tigering any alarm with his implants and all are you telling me everyone int he citadel was indoctrinated? even solid snake can not do that

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How the hell would the normandy docking for a quick extraction in-danger the life of the entire galaxy if Shepard is still safe in that upside down crucible place?

Why would the Normandy come to that location? Call for a shuttle. It make's itself less of a target than the Normandy would.
 

here let me make it clear for you if Shepard decides to call for an extraction naturally it will take time for it to get there and infrom Garrus about the cylinders

Why Garrus? When the shuttle arrives have Steve or whoever the pilot is fire at the tube