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[Paragon-King]

Ever since the end of Dragon Age: Origins I've missed these proud, bearded folk. I've always loved this particular fantasy race, ever since the old boardgame HeroQuest (I always picked the dwarf). Hell, I even liked Oghren but maybe because he reminded me of my cousin.

Dwarves of Dragon Age are probably my favourite incarnation. There is a lot of similarities in comparison to the dwarves in other games and literature, from what I've heard. But their culture in Dragon Age is what appeals to me most... and their rotten politics.

One of my disappointments in DAII was the clear absence of dwarves, apart from Varric, few NPCs and thugs. Oh, and the quick trip in the Deep Roads but there were more darkspawn than dwarves there. There were next to nothing about the dwarf commoner or noble origin in DAII either. All I remember is the grand cleric mentioning the dwarf warden.

I realize dwarves aren't exactly the most popular race/class choice. But I do wonder if there's others who'd wish we see or hear more of the happenings in Orzammar in DA3?

[Immortal fish]

Definitely! What i'd especially like would be a chance to visit the other Dwarven city Kal Sharok in DA3 as we've hardly heard anything about it.

[marshalleck]

If Bioware can deliver a dwarf that isn't a drunken fool or a crass lecher, fine. Otherwise leave them out. It gets old.

[alhamel94]

spoiler oghren returns in da3

[marshalleck]

alhamel94 wrote...

spoiler oghren returns in da3

oh, the fan favorite!

[Paragon-King]

Yes, well. I agree a drunken dwarf is a yesterday's game. If so, maybe Oghrens finally gone sober. But we have seen otherkinds of dwarves as well in DA. A lot of them self-important nug-humpers but still... there were exceptions.

[Battlebloodmage]

marshalleck wrote...

If Bioware can deliver a dwarf that isn't a drunken fool or a crass lecher, fine. Otherwise leave them out. It gets old.

I don't think Varric is any of those things.

[marshalleck]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

If Bioware can deliver a dwarf that isn't a drunken fool or a crass lecher, fine. Otherwise leave them out. It gets old.

I don't think Varric is any of those things.

I had Oghier and Varric in mind for each of those examples, respectively.

I dislike non-human humanoids in fiction as a general rule. I feel like they too often just fill some token trope (drunk dwarf with a filthy mouth, elves armed with bows and abnormally long lives etc) and very rarely provide any kind of cultural or philosophical contrast that couldn't be done just as effectively, if not moreso than simply adding a different human culture to the work. 

In other words their existence in works of fantasy are rarely justified beyond "well it's fantasy and people expect the alcoholic midgets and pointy-eared archers, so here they are."

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:19 .

[alhamel94]

figures that you wold also be cerberus...

[marshalleck]

alhamel94 wrote...

figures that you wold also be cerberus...

Why am I not surprised you single out my signature instead of my rationale. 

[BlackoutBasement]

Female dwarfs making return would be great as well. I was disappointed to see only male dwarfs in DA2. Dwarfs are my favorite race in the Dragon Age series along with the Dwarf Commoner being my favorite Origin. I definitely want to learn more about Kal-Sharock and learn about their history and how they survived while even Orzammar thought it was lost for centuries.

[Paragon-King]

marshalleck wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

If Bioware can deliver a dwarf that isn't a drunken fool or a crass lecher, fine. Otherwise leave them out. It gets old.

I don't think Varric is any of those things.

I had Oghier and Varric in mind for each of those examples, respectively.

I dislike non-human humanoids in fiction as a general rule. I feel like they too often just fill some token trope (drunk dwarf with a filthy mouth, elves armed with bows and abnormally long lives etc) and very rarely provide any kind of cultural contrast that couldn't be done just as effectively, if not moreso than simply adding a different human culture to the work. 

Humanoid is a description with a pretty broad concept, don't you think. There aren't many non-human humanoids if we start counting in species in popular RPGs that have two arms and two legs with manlike physique.

I don't dislike these kind of species but I understand your view. I probably would prefer little more physical variety too. Probably why I like turians more than asari in Mass Effect. EDIT: And yes, I've haven't noted many characters that reflect their cultural background very well, aside from Sten.

Modifié par Zouns, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:41 .

[marshalleck]

What I mean by non-human humanoids is human characters that "aren't human, *wink wink*" 

When in actuality they are indistinguishable from humans in every way that matters, with a few token exceptions which are almost never explored.

So you can take that to mean elves, dwarves, halflings, what have you. The typical non-monstrous humanoid races common in fantasy. I'm obviously not talking about semi-intelligent bipedal creatures that are barely more than beasts and possess little culture, such as trolls, ogres, snakemen, etc.

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 septembre 2012 - 10:57 .

[alhamel94]

lol bro i was just jokin that you said you dont like non-humans and your sig is cerberus.

[Paragon-King]

marshalleck wrote...

What I mean by non-human humanoids is human characters that "aren't human, *wink wink*"

Thought you did. *nudge nudge*

marshalleck wrote...

When in actuality they are indistinguishable from humans in every way that matters, with a few token exceptions which are almost never explored.

Aside from minor physical features that span across their race/species. Yes, I agree they might as well be human with a funny hat/mask. Culturally they may be more different but even those have influences from the real-world, yet they aren't exactly copypasted.

marshalleck wrote...

So you can take that to mean elves, dwarves, halflings, what have you. The typical non-monstrous humanoid races common in fantasy. I'm obviously not talking about semi-intelligent bipedal creatures that are barely more than beasts and possess little culture, such as trolls, ogres, snakemen, etc.

And qunari, don't forget the qunari (and there's plenty more examples in Star Wars)! Or are the horns great enough difference for them to pass something else than non-human human? Honestly, I'm just curious where you would draw the line.

And I'm a bit confused. Are we arguing about something, I thought I agreed with your viewpoint? For the most part at least.

...And I have to go to work. But I'll be reading your possible reply when I get back. 

Modifié par Zouns, 18 septembre 2012 - 11:17 .

[marshalleck]

alhamel94 wrote...

lol bro i was just jokin that you said you dont like non-humans and your sig is cerberus.

It is kind of amusing but I'm the kind of person that feels the need to indicate I've put a bit more thought into it than that. 

I should mention the actual quote itself is from a staunch humanist, visionary, progressive thinker, and all-around-good-guy, Carl Sagan. I just couldn't resist the delicious irony of attaching his quote to radical pro-human propaganda.

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 septembre 2012 - 11:44 .

[marshalleck]

Zouns wrote...

And qunari, don't forget the qunari (and there's plenty more examples in Star Wars)! Or are the horns great enough difference for them to pass something else than non-human human? Honestly, I'm just curious where you would draw the line.

The qunari!? They aren't beasts. They are probably the most industrious and advanced civilization on Thedas. In fact I quite admire them, and the Bioware team for giving them a savage appearance to contrast with their highly developed philosophy, their orderly society, and technological superiority (the have developed gunpowder, and their warships have cannons!)

This would be an example of how I would like to see alternate species justified within the social/political/cultural structure of the game world. The whole political issue of the qunari, and the spread of the Qun is one of my favorite aspects of the Dragon Age series. I'm very much looking forward to seeing the Sten's promised return of the qunari to Thedas in a wave of conquest.

Modifié par marshalleck, 18 septembre 2012 - 11:53 .

[WardenWade]

Zouns wrote...

Ever since the end of Dragon Age: Origins I've missed these proud, bearded folk. I've always loved this particular fantasy race, ever since the old boardgame HeroQuest (I always picked the dwarf). Hell, I even liked Oghren but maybe because he reminded me of my cousin.

Dwarves of Dragon Age are probably my favourite incarnation. There is a lot of similarities in comparison to the dwarves in other games and literature, from what I've heard. But their culture in Dragon Age is what appeals to me most... and their rotten politics.

One of my disappointments in DAII was the clear absence of dwarves, apart from Varric, few NPCs and thugs. Oh, and the quick trip in the Deep Roads but there were more darkspawn than dwarves there. There were next to nothing about the dwarf commoner or noble origin in DAII either. All I remember is the grand cleric mentioning the dwarf warden.

I realize dwarves aren't exactly the most popular race/class choice. But I do wonder if there's others who'd wish we see or hear more of the happenings in Orzammar in DA3?

I would love to see more of them (particularly female dwarves), and of their culture in general.  As per Tug's Edge, the Stone lies under Orlais...and there is Kal Sharok as well

[FINE HERE]

Yes! Bring on the dwarves! This is supposed to be a fantasy rpg, right? The more fantasy, the better! Less boring everyday 'I could go outside and find ten guys like this' humans and more elves, dwarves, Qunari/Kossith and dragons and such.

[Dhiro]

I really hope we'll see some female dwarves on DA III! I miss Sigrun and I would love to see Dagna one more time!

[WardenWade]

sjpelkessjpeler wrote...

I'm a big fan of the dwarves and although there was Varric of course in DA2, their role was of little signifigance in the overall game.

Like @Warden Wade wrote above there is still so much unknown about them. Kal Sharok is a thaig situated in Orlais which we know little about.

Would love to visit there and learn about the way they develloped while being in isolation for so long.

Getting back race choice would be great; would love to play as a dwarve in the next installment.

These are great points   Dwarves got relatively little exposure in DA2, IMO, and I'd love to see significant plot points surrounding them in DA3.  And as you said, there is so much exploring to do.  I'm really curious what the dwarves of Kal Sharok are like myself, particularly with their tense relationship to Orzammar (which is close to Orlais as well...).  I'd love the chance to visit these lost thaigs as a dwarf as well!

Modifié par WardenWade, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:02 .

[Pelle6666]

Off the record, that must be the best title on a thread I have ever seen! XD
But anyhow... The dwarfs doesn't have mages so I guess they are not much involved in the main plot of the civil war. It's probably too early to say if they will play any major role or not, Id hope to see a pay off for electing Bhelen king.

[Vandicus]

marshalleck wrote...

Zouns wrote...

And qunari, don't forget the qunari (and there's plenty more examples in Star Wars)! Or are the horns great enough difference for them to pass something else than non-human human? Honestly, I'm just curious where you would draw the line.

The qunari!? They aren't beasts. They are probably the most industrious and advanced civilization on Thedas. In fact I quite admire them, and the Bioware team for giving them a savage appearance to contrast with their highly developed philosophy, their orderly society, and technological superiority (the have developed gunpowder, and their warships have cannons!)

This would be an example of how I would like to see alternate species justified within the social/political/cultural structure of the game world. The whole political issue of the qunari, and the spread of the Qun is one of my favorite aspects of the Dragon Age series. I'm very much looking forward to seeing the Sten's promised return of the qunari to Thedas in a wave of conquest.

I personally feel that so far all the races we've seen are humans with mere biological differences, which mostly equates to appearance and different reproduction(although in the elves its just appearance). Culturally speaking the dwarves, elves and Qunari all have human-like culture and ways of thinking. Now the Hanar and Elcor from ME, those were races with different thought processes and cultures. Wish they had explored that more.

[Paragon-King]

marshalleck wrote...

Zouns wrote...

The qunari!? They aren't beasts. They are probably the most industrious and advanced civilization on Thedas. In fact I quite admire them, and the Bioware team for giving them a savage appearance to contrast with their highly developed philosophy, their orderly society, and technological superiority (the have developed gunpowder, and their warships have cannons!)

This would be an example of how I would like to see alternate species justified within the social/political/cultural structure of the game world. The whole political issue of the qunari, and the spread of the Qun is one of my favorite aspects of the Dragon Age series. I'm very much looking forward to seeing the Sten's promised return of the qunari to Thedas in a wave of conquest.

Oh no. You misunderstood me. I didn't mean to say they're beasts, althought it might seem like I did. I made the comparison to the elves, dwarves, halflings and whatnot. My apologies. I was just wondering if qunari were enough human for you to dislike them but I think I got my answer.

You don't need to explain qunari civilization to me. I'm very fond of them too infact. In all honesty, I think they and the dwarves are probably two of the most fascinating people in Dragon Age. The whole idea of the Qun is simply too interesting to pass up and I would love to take a closer look on their social structure. As for Sten, I do too, know that I know about it. Thanks for telling!

One thing about dwarves bug me, though. They're dying/declining as a people and this is all too common is several fictions.

Modifié par Zouns, 19 septembre 2012 - 06:18 .