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[LeandroBraz]

Cheylus wrote...

Don't work too much on the Carnifex.
I think this was my favorite weapon, I made my first Gold matches with it and feel it's the model of a perfectly balanced weapon. Imho, the problem isn't with the Carnifex but with the other heavy pistols (Arc Pistol / Phalanx).

yeah, I would prefer this two to be buffed, but they are all fine IMO, carnifex is just a favorite..

[DullahansXMark]

Piranha and Carnifex? I haven't even seen the Piranha in forever, and the Carnifex is a boring enough gun as it is.

If you nerf the two, at least buff the Typhoon. It needs it badly.

[SectiplaveB4]

I'm not really surprised for the Carnifex, thankfully I'm soo damn bored of it I've stopped running it!

I'd like to see the game play data they collect from everyone who has it turned on. I'd say the data would look totally skewed for these weapons. I wouldn't be surprised if the executioner is sitting at a dominating percentage such as 50%+ of player equipped pistols are the Carnifex.

I would also expect something similar for the Piranha. That sort of data tells you something isn't balanced.

This is all pure speculation on my behalf however.

[OmegaRex]

I don't use the Carnifex anymore but nerfing it would be stupid.

1. It's not even that good to begin with
2. The reason people pick it is for it's damage/weight ratio. At lower levels it allows adepts to pick a pistol that can still pack a punch while not hindering their powers.

If they had Scorpion or Talon at X they would be using that, but thanks to RNG most people are never going to get those. Want to decrease the usage of Carnifex? Make it so getting other pistols isn't impossible or make the weaker pistols like the Phalanx stronger.

I don't care about the Pirahna nerf but again, if you're going to nerf something, increase the encumbrance. It's one of the best guns in the game and with every class your still at a +181 recharge speed. There are pistols that leave you more encumbered..

obviously everyone is going to use it when it's arguably one of the top 3 guns in the game and weighs less than a bag of potatoes

Modifié par OmegaRex, 18 septembre 2012 - 11:22 .

[E71]

Get yer hands off my Carnifex.

[Rakugi]

The Carnifax Obscures other weapons in its class?
The Phalanx and Predator are spam low power guns meant to deal general damage.
The Talon is obviously a shotgun.
The Acolyte is a unique niche weapon.
The Eagle is more comparable to SMG and rifles.
The Scorpion shoots bombs and delivers ammo powers well.
The Arc Pistol is weird, I don't quite know what to do with it.

That said, the Acolyte and Scorpion have pretty good followings. I see Talons from time to time, I even use it myself sometimes as a sidearm with ULM. I see the Phalanx often enough on caster classes. The Paladin and Carnifex fight for the same spot often enough. The predator is honslestly hard to use for me and doesn't feel very powerful, and thus isn't used that much. The Eagle is a good gun, but given its rarity it is best used as an aside to something else.
Most pistols seem to feel perfect as a side order to powers or a bigger gun, the Carnifex just happens to be the easiest good one to get. If the Talon and Scorpion were rares, I bet we wouldn't be thinking the Carnifex obscures much of anything and merely that a couple pistols are underpowered, similar to how most snipers appear to be considered balanced, nix a minority.
Unless you, Bioware, intended to say the Carnifex obscures other accurate hard hitting weapons not necessarily pistols.

[Alisira]

sleepdept wrote...

Eric:

If other pistols are being obscured by the Carnifex... buff the other pistols.

Those of us who like Adepts do like a gun that actually kills things without decimating cool down.

This!!!!

And maybe think about the fact that not everyone has unlocked all URs. For some (like myself) the Carnifex is the only viable option. I have little use for a weapon that forces me out of cover or is lag-unfriendly. 

[Haersvaelg]

I like the week's changes, nothing too major, but always nice to see some of the weaker weapon get buffs.

However, I don't think nerfs to the piranha or carnifex are warranted at all at this point. For shotguns, there are a lot of great and competetive choices in GPS, Graal (especially after last buff), Claymore, Reegar and Piranha (and Wraith, to some people. I cannot get the slow RoF to work for me) according to class and preference.

A long time ago, a slight Carnifex nerf might have been warranted, but since then with all the new weapons, it certainly isn't dominant.

It's a good weapon certainly, but which weapons in its class are it exactly it overshadows? Predator & Phalanx, sure, but its a common and an uncommon, and even though I'm a proponent of those categories being absolutely viable, there are currently very few of those in any category that are truly competive with rares and ultra rares.

Acolyte, Talon, Scorpion and Paladin are all either very competive with the Carnifex or fill an entirely different niche. So we are left with the Eagle and the Arc Pistol, both of which, even after buffs, still seem quite weak in and of themselves, not because they are overshadowed by the Carnifex.

Compared to the other categories of weapons, this does not look very one-sided to me in the Carnifex's favor and, if the above premises are accepted, since we are talking about two weapons generally considered weak over all and with very different mechanics than the Carnifex, wouldn't it just be better to buff them again to get them more close?

Nerfs of this kind just seem needless and annoying compared to buffing the other options and comparing this kind of nerfing to the necessary ones when a certain weapon/class just trumps everything else (beyond category or niche) in terms of overall effectiveness. The Carnifex is certainly not in that category.

[tfoltz]

Nerfs to non-overpowered and popular weapons will give many a chance to drop the game. Buff the weak ones, don't nerf the usable weapons.

[Grunt_Platform]

Gonna have to nearly second a lot of this. The Piranha and Carnifex don't need too much. Please use a gentle hand with them.

I'd say the biggest problem with the Piranha is that right now, accuracy bonuses stack in such a way that it actually benefits disproportionately from them. Other low accuracy weapons don't benefit nearly as much as shotguns do, which is strange. You'd think the Revenant's would be able to get a tighter spread than the Piranha. But I know you guys can't change that with a live update. Also, the other light-weight shotguns have always had rather mediocre performance. The Piranha has underscored that, but it's not the source of the problem.

Carnifex.. honestly, with sniper rifles getting better damage to weight ratios lately, I don't think it's quite the problem child it used to be. It is odd how many people think the Phalanx and Arc Pistol are pea shooters though, especially considering how good they actually are in practice. But.. the 'fex does set a rather high bar for the ~50% weight class so I guess it warrants some attention.

EDIT: Others have pointed out the weight advantages of the Piranha.. which is fair. Both guns could probably stand to weigh a bit more. I don't think a large increase is warrented, but they are both a little light for what they can pull off.

Modifié par EvanKester, 18 septembre 2012 - 11:50 .

[Sharkey00]

Please consider making changes to less popular weapons in order to make them more viable options rather than nerfing the Piranha and Carnifex.

[Topographer]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

This week's multiplayer balance changes are now live. Details can be found here.

As a heads up, we are looking at balance changes to the Piranha and Carnifex for next week. We feel the Piranha is still too dominant of a weapon even with the recent balance changes and needs further adjustment. Although we haven't touched the Carnifex since ship, we feel it is obscuring too many other weapons in its class and needs some small adjustments as well.

Carnifex OP? I haven't seen one in months

[Aetika]

Why do I get the feeling that when it´s something popular and fun to use, it gets nerfed. Do you know how frustrating it is?

[OhPa2]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

This week's multiplayer balance changes are now live. Details can be found here.

As a heads up, we are looking at balance changes to the Piranha and Carnifex for next week. We feel the Piranha is still too dominant of a weapon even with the recent balance changes and needs further adjustment. Although we haven't touched the Carnifex since ship, we feel it is obscuring too many other weapons in its class and needs some small adjustments as well.

I only have the Piranha at level I so I can't really comment on it.  But nerfing the Carnifax?  Really?  I try to be positive with my posts but this really rubs me the wrong way.

Why would Bioware even consider nerfing something decent and worth using when there are so many crap weapons that pollute/dilute our manifests!

Honestly "obscuring too many other weapons in its class" sounds like a Public Relations term made up to spin the fact that too many other weapons in its class could use buffs.

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Modifié par OhPa2, 18 septembre 2012 - 11:58 .

[Dorje Sylas]

Eric Fagnan wrote...
 Although we haven't touched the Carnifex since ship, we feel it is obscuring too many other weapons in its class and needs some small adjustments as well.

No.


Flat out, no! You do a god damn thing to the Carnifex and it will cement your "team" as the biggest bunch of multiplayer blance challenged morons to ever grace the industry. The reason why the Carnifex is putting everything else to shame is because everything else is a shame.

Almost every week you keep demonstrating you are

1) Too conservative 
2) Too slow
3) Inconsistent

The way your "team" is conducting this multiplayer is doing direct damage to any future multiplayer focused game put out by BioWare. In the last 6 months you guys have done very little in the way to prove your competence at running a multiplayer game or community. I've see better results from smaller indepenent companies.

I dare you! Give this community the "data" you all look at and let us generate the balance changes over the course of two weeks. Then actually implement them.

Modifié par Dorje Sylas, 18 septembre 2012 - 11:58 .

[mykejm]

Looks like I transitioned from Carnifex to Acolyte just in time.

[Shrakelle]

 Don't use any of the buffed weapons anymore, might as well give them a go, though I am not a fan of snipers anyway.

Argus, being the only rare I have not at X shouldn't take long to get there so will have to give it a go.

I only ever use the carnifex as a sidearm to another weapon when I need more range, there is a nostalgic attachment to it for me though, being one of my fire rares to X and a weapon I once use a lot.  I don't feel that a nerf is needed at all, improve the less used pistols instead.

The pirana.. My precious pirana, I use this a lot. QME, ECA, all vanguards, DA, Fury, paladin, shadow. It's one of my go to weapons.. If you must nerf my favourite weapon, please be gentle.. Or buff less used shotguns so that I might actually want to use them? The only other ones I actually use are GPS and disciple.

Modifié par Shrakelle, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:05 .

[WolfWyrm]

This week's balance changes aren't too shabby. I'm definitely going to be taking these weapons out for test fire.

It's nice to see the Argus, and I already got it up to X. Used it a couple games but the recoil is pretty bad, and the timing between 3-round bursts is a bit too long for me to pick this weapon over other available fire-arms,but I'll do more testing later. Is there possibly any hidden modifiers vs. shields/barriers/armor or any kind of natural piercing ability to this weapon that anyone has found yet?

On the discussion of possible nerfs to the Carnifex and Piranha. Honestly I think the Carnifex is fine as is, and the other lesser pistols may need to be buffed instead. The Piranha is a very nice shotgun, but I could see it's weight being increased as a fair adjustment.

Just my two cents.

[Geth Platforms]

yeaa sure nerf the gun till it heal them

[Geth Platforms]

i really start to think it a weekly trolling more then anything,

[Merkit91]

Buff Argus next week.

[Sinapus]

Eric Fagnan wrote...
As a heads up, we are looking at balance changes to the Piranha and Carnifex for next week. We feel the Piranha is still too dominant of a weapon even with the recent balance changes and needs further adjustment. Although we haven't touched the Carnifex since ship, we feel it is obscuring too many other weapons in its class and needs some small adjustments as well.

Hm. One of the few reasons why I use the Carnifex is to have a weapon for my Shadow to use against enemies I don't want to shadow strike. Asari adepts can use them pretty well, though only because stasis makes a target easy to headshot. Why do I feel the "small" adjustments will do something horrible?

As for the Piranha... it's devastating at (very) close range, but then accuracy falls off so much I end up using a longer-ranged weapon. Might have my human vanguard go back to the Eviscerator X w/smart choke, though I only just tried out the Piranha in the past week because I got it to lvl X recently. It's nasty... on bronze level, but I found it more difficult on silver or higher.

[Koenig888]

Still no buff for the Widow and Black Widow?

As for the pending nerfs, the Carnifex should be left alone as it is the only decent rare pistol. The Piranha is still rather OP for a rare/light shotgun and I can see why a nerf is required. The Piranha in its present form should have been an UR (and the Wraith a rare), in which case it would have been fine.

[dftm1]

Carnifex? half a year everything was good, and now it eclipses the others in the class? it not seems to you that it is silly?