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Impending carnifex & piranha nerfs


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Rifneno

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As a heads up, we are looking at balance changes to the Piranha and Carnifex for next week. We feel the Piranha is still too dominant of a weapon even with the recent balance changes and needs further adjustment. Although we haven't touched the Carnifex since ship, we feel it is obscuring too many other weapons in its class and needs some small adjustments as well.


This is just epic.  Six months ago everyone was clammering over how OP the carnifex was.  Now, 3 DLC later, it's a nonissue.  And now is when they choose to nerf it?  I can't help but feel this may have something to do with the discussion about the eagle.  For those that missed that particular piece of hilarity, the devs feel that the eagle is okay because it's a caster weapon.  Yes, it's okay as long as you're playing a class that doesn't try to make their guns do real damage.  Good logic, right?  They said they were to discuss the eagle together today because of all the disdain it gets from the community.  I find myself wondering if their conclusion was "the eagle's fine, so that must mean the other options are too good."

I... I'm not rightly sure how to even respond to such a train of thought, so I guess I'll stop here and bask in the failure of the upcoming nerfs.

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Hunter A Crane

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Ah fu** Why they have to NERF the darn piranha?! It's the only shotgun I can actually use right! I just hope BioWare doesn't llower the accuracy further than it already is in the balance changes...

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You cry like a ****.

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davidman92

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Seriously? The Piranha, yeah, it's still insanely good and it still renders half the shotguns obsolete, so maybe it could use a bit of a nerf. The Carnifex, though? Really?

Modifié par davidman92, 18 septembre 2012 - 11:17 .


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DHKany

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where is this?

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Ashen One

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Well this thread should be a real laugh riot.

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Doommarine23

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Have fun whining I guess guys.

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Draining Dragon

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Hunter A Crane wrote...

Ah fu** Why they have to NERF the darn piranha?! It's the only shotgun I can actually use right! I just hope BioWare doesn't llower the accuracy further than it already is in the balance changes...


If it's the only shotgun you can use right, then that would obviously mean that it's too powerful.

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It makes no sense to nerf the piranha the freaking thing has no range on it. And I haven't seen many people use the carnifax so why nerf that too? I really hope they don't nerf those weapons into the ground like they did the krysae.

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Eric Fagnan

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We will be making changes to the Eagle next week.

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DHKany

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Hunter A Crane wrote...

Ah fu** Why they have to NERF the darn piranha?! It's the only shotgun I can actually use right! I just hope BioWare doesn't llower the accuracy further than it already is in the balance changes...



Well, then you're doing it VERY wrong. 

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ZombieGambit

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Casters everywhere are gonna cry over the Carnifex nerf and I'm already crying manly tears over the Piranha's soon-to-be demise.

The Piranha is the only great light shotgun in the game. The Scimitar is a joke, the Eviscerator and the Wraith have a slow ROF and are more for mid-range engagements, and the Disciple is just a sidearm at best.

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LuckyBullet95

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So what happens when they nerf the Piranha? There will always be a most powerful weapon and it will alaways be abused.

So what happens when they nerf the Carnifex? Nothing, I never use it anyways...

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Eric Fagnan wrote...

We will be making changes to the Eagle next week.


:o:O:O

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Ashen One

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ZombieGambit wrote...

Casters everywhere are gonna cry over the Carnifex nerf and I'm already crying manly tears over the Piranha's soon-to-be demise.

The Piranha is the only great light shotgun in the game. The Scimitar is a joke, the Eviscerator and the Wraith have a slow ROF and are more for mid-range engagements, and the Disciple is just a sidearm at best.


The Wraith is great, if you actually know how to aim.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 18 septembre 2012 - 11:23 .


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Rifneno

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DHKany wrote...

Hunter A Crane wrote...

Ah fu** Why they have to NERF the darn piranha?! It's the only shotgun I can actually use right! I just hope BioWare doesn't llower the accuracy further than it already is in the balance changes...


Well, then you're doing it VERY wrong. 


Pretty much.  Most of us could see the piranha nerf coming, though we also mostly expected it after the next DLC with new toptier weapons... the carnifex nerf is the one that really gets me.  Hey, since they're working on issues from launch, maybe they'll fix the vanguard bug now too. :whistle:

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RobertM525

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Eric Fagnan wrote...

We will be making changes to the Eagle next week.


FWIW, just giving it the damage, recoil, and accuracy of the Phalanx (n uncommon!) would be a massive improvement.

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cuzIMgood

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Can't wait. Not being sarcastic.

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neteng101

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Pandora awaits people. Bioware will never learn, until everyone's gone from this game!

Thought we were done but nope, yet more nerfing stupidity from Bioware.

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Doommarine23

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Rifneno wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Hunter A Crane wrote...

Ah fu** Why they have to NERF the darn piranha?! It's the only shotgun I can actually use right! I just hope BioWare doesn't llower the accuracy further than it already is in the balance changes...


Well, then you're doing it VERY wrong. 


Pretty much.  Most of us could see the piranha nerf coming, though we also mostly expected it after the next DLC with new toptier weapons... the carnifex nerf is the one that really gets me.  Hey, since they're working on issues from launch, maybe they'll fix the vanguard bug now too. :whistle:


A balance change is not a patch and really isn't comparable.

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Add a round to Paladin clip size!

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Eric Fagnan wrote...

We will be making changes to the Eagle next week.

If you're just going to give it another 10% buff don't bother. The Eagle needs something drastic because if you keep increasing it 10% every few months (and with only a 25% chance of getting an upgrade every two weeks) then most people won't have a reason to use it until 2014.

It's that bad.

Modifié par Elotana, 18 septembre 2012 - 11:27 .


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Hm. Carnifex is likely hands-down my most used gun. Goes on almost anything with a power.

For this reason, I'm torn. On one hand, I love it, but on the other, I'm probably over-reliant on it. I do like the idea of choosing which pistol to use, again.

I was absolutely fine with the Paladin nerf, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. They probably know what they're doing!

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lol i just got my carny up to x and paladin far better for ur it should take place of it since at level 1 {like my paladin that it does more damage compared to carny x my thought would be if you going to lower the damage on the carny then you should hate to say it drop the paladin N7 level from ur to rare so that way it offsets the damage of the carny to show that next step from carny x is to get the paladin

Modifié par Ravenmyste, 18 septembre 2012 - 11:28 .


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Just a hint: If you really want to make this game more challenging, stop nerfing guns and start adding mobs with better AI. Those Nemesis(plural) suck big time when they should be at least half as deadly as HL(Black Mesa mod) assassins.

At least, my two cents on the matter.