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[cgj]

thing with the piranha is that you can take it with another pistol [acolyte](without ulm) and still be above 150% CD
that in itself is ridiculous and kills the disciple'spurpose/niche
it's ROF also kills the wraith (my wraith is lvl VII) since it's even lighter than it

the other thing about it is that its incredible damage is theorically balanced by its accuracy
and as we all know this is not the case in game (smart choke play a huge part in that)

sure you can't snipe, but it would need a lot lot worse accuracy (people playing shotguns are mostly close range anyway, this is why the accuracy on the piranha isn't a problem at all) and recoil than what it is to make up for such Damage&weight&ROF combo

Modifié par cgj, 19 septembre 2012 - 10:43 .

[UnknownMercenary]

The fact that Bioware wants to nerf the Carnifex confirms my belief that they only balance around Bronze.

[N7-RedFox]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

We will be making changes to the Eagle next week.

Less recoil would probably make the Eagle usuable.

[Blackguard82]

Stop with all the nerfs already, Carniflex is perfectly balanced, leave it alone!

[ToaOrka]

I love how now that nobody actually uses the Carnifex Bioware decides to nerf it.

[Misfiring]

CaptainTeabag wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

We will be making changes to the Eagle next week.

Less recoil would probably make the Eagle usuable.

+1

And better accuracy at mid range.

[Rifneno]

Misfiring wrote...

CaptainTeabag wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

We will be making changes to the Eagle next week.

Less recoil would probably make the Eagle usuable.

+1

And better accuracy at mid range.

Cool.  Then we can laughable DPS more reliably.

[Doommarine23]

The rage here is pretty depressing to see.

[Rifneno]

Doommarine23 wrote...

The rage here is pretty depressing to see.

What's your point?

[Doommarine23]

Rifneno wrote...

Doommarine23 wrote...

The rage here is pretty depressing to see.

What's your point?

That a majority of people here seem a bit childish and uppity about a game being balanced by the developers. People who are professionals who made and played this game to death, know everything about it and what its supposed to be and how they want things to function, with that of problaby 10+ years average expierence on game design. This kind of goes beyond this thread, honestly in what I'm saying.

I'm not saying our opinions don't matter nor am I saying Bioware is perfect, (why else do balance changes exist) but I find it hiliarous when everyone claims Bioware is stupid doody heds who do nothin rite!!1. They made this game and I'm going to bet they have a much better idea of what to do and what Mass Effect and its pretaining weapons should be. Leave professional work to professionals.

Modifié par Doommarine23, 19 septembre 2012 - 11:55 .

[Heldarion]

What's next? Claymore? Because as soon as they nerf Piranha into oblivion, Claymore will be the most used shotgun out there.

[Blackguard82]

No more nerfs! Just buff the underused guns that suck!

[SimulatedSnowman]

Doommarine23 wrote...

That a majority of people here seem a bit childish and uppity about a game being balanced by the developers. People who are professionals who made and played this game to death, know everything about it and what its supposed to be and how they want things to function, with that of problaby 10+ years average expierence on game design. This kind of goes beyond this thread, honestly in what I'm saying.

Yes. People are childish and uppity about wanting a game they play to be balanced in a sensible way.

The developers honestly wanted the Eagle/Locust/Incisor to be varying degrees of useless, because they've played it to death and know everything about it and decided that ineffective guns are exactly what they want to include. They have 10+ years of game design experience so they must be right. Furthermore, they decided that since people actually use the guns that are effective, the best way to fix this is to make those guns less effective. Addition by subtraction! 

I'm not saying our opinions don't matter nor am I saying Bioware is perfect, (why else do balance changes exist) but I find it hiliarous when everyone claims Bioware is stupid doody heds who do nothin rite!!1. They made this game and I'm going to bet they have a much better idea of what to do and what Mass Effect and its pretaining weapons should be. Leave professional work to professionals.

Have you played Mass Effect 3? Do you honestly think that simply because a professional team developed it that there aren't still things that are wrong with it? Just off the top of my head, we still have the Vanguard glitch, a jumble of glitches with characters who teleport dodge (specifically the Slayer on Rio), character power trees that do not function correctly (Asari Justicar Power Duration, Kroguard's Rage, Incinerate/Cryo combo), in addition to any of the single player story issues that I won't get into. Professionals make mistakes, and the people who play the game are totally allowed to be upset about it, even if you feel it is childish or uppity. 

Modifié par SimulatedSnowman, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:20 .

[Doommarine23]

SimulatedSnowman wrote...

Doommarine23 wrote...

That a majority of people here seem a bit childish and uppity about a game being balanced by the developers. People who are professionals who made and played this game to death, know everything about it and what its supposed to be and how they want things to function, with that of problaby 10+ years average expierence on game design. This kind of goes beyond this thread, honestly in what I'm saying.

Yes. People are childish and uppity about wanting a game they play to be balanced in a sensible way.

The developers honestly wanted the Eagle/Locust/Incisor to be varying degrees of useless, because they've played it to death and know everything about it and decided that ineffective guns are exactly what they want to include. They have 10+ years of game design experience so they must be right. 

I'm not saying our opinions don't matter nor am I saying Bioware is perfect, (why else do balance changes exist) but I find it hiliarous when everyone claims Bioware is stupid doody heds who do nothin rite!!1. They made this game and I'm going to bet they have a much better idea of what to do and what Mass Effect and its pretaining weapons should be. Leave professional work to professionals.

Have you played Mass Effect 3? Do you honestly think that simply because a professional team developed it that there aren't still things that are wrong with it? Just off the top of my head, we still have the Vanguard glitch, a jumble of glitches with characters who teleport dodge (specifically the Slayer on Rio), character power trees that do not function correctly (Asari Justicar Power Duration, Kroguard's Rage, Incinerate/Cryo combo), in addition to any of the single player story issues that I won't get into. Professionals make mistakes, and the people who play the game are totally allowed to be upset about it, even if you feel it is childish or uppity. 

Completely missed me, my point was about how people are acting and respect. Everyone here acts like as if we really know what we're going on about. We don't and thats really that. You want to voice your opinion? Fine, but I don't see the need for lack of respect I see in quite a few posts here and all over the forum. 

And yes I have played Mass Effect 3, look at my manifest, I basically have everything unlocked and besides gear and URs all maxed out. I was never saying things were perfect and things had no issues. (Besides the fact that SP doesn't pertain and all those you listed are bugs).

You completely missed me entirely, my post was about respect and how everyone acts entitled, as if we know what we're going on about, and what the game is supposed to be. I'm simply saying the devs who made it, problaby have a better idea of what they want their game to be and how they want their weapons to function within it.

You want to challenge their opinion? Sure, but I don't see the need for lack of respect or immature entitlement people throw around.

[Mr_Happy]

Do to the Piranha whatever you want, I don't care.

But don't you dare touching my Carnifex. *shakes fist*

[Rifneno]

Doommarine23 wrote...

That a majority of people here seem a bit childish and uppity about a game being balanced by the developers. People who are professionals who made and played this game to death, know everything about it and what its supposed to be and how they want things to function, with that of problaby 10+ years average expierence on game design. This kind of goes beyond this thread, honestly in what I'm saying.

I'm not saying our opinions don't matter nor am I saying Bioware is perfect, (why else do balance changes exist) but I find it hiliarous when everyone claims Bioware is stupid doody heds who do nothin rite!!1. They made this game and I'm going to bet they have a much better idea of what to do and what Mass Effect and its pretaining weapons should be. Leave professional work to professionals.

"What's your point?" was rhetorical. Your post is pure drivel and you should feel bad for subjecting anyone to it. Neither you, nor these so-called "professionals" know what they're doing. That much is crystal clear from the kind of things they've done. They introduced the original krysae, then they nerfed it so hard it's unrecognizable. Whether you think the former or the latter version is the more balanced one is irrelevant, because they went with both versions. Need I once again go into how incredibly stupid this whole "eagle is a caster weapon, so it's fine, it's just your fault for trying to use it to kill stuff" line of thought is? I'm guessing yes, since you blindly endorse any and all decisions on the basis that it's their job and they must be professionals. Just like the professional writers that wrote the worst ending in gaming history. Some professionals. But google it, because I'm not going to bother worsening by carpal tunnel by explaining to you something you will neither understand nor retain.

Drink your kool-aid, sycophant. But do it somewhere else.

[GallowsPole]

The difference between uppity or being childish is the difference between those that accept there are issues, understand that BW is no longer on their own, do not suffer greatly from those things that affect others ( disconnects and VG glitch only happened to me once, ever) against a small forum base, and for some, feel entitled to believe the game should be tailored for THEM, and not the MP as a whole.

[Doommarine23]

Rifneno wrote...

"What's your point?" was rhetorical. Your post is pure drivel and you should feel bad for subjecting anyone to it. Neither you, nor these so-called "professionals" know what they're doing. That much is crystal clear from the kind of things they've done. They introduced the original krysae, then they nerfed it so hard it's unrecognizable. Whether you think the former or the latter version is the more balanced one is irrelevant, because they went with both versions. Need I once again go into how incredibly stupid this whole "eagle is a caster weapon, so it's fine, it's just your fault for trying to use it to kill stuff" line of thought is? I'm guessing yes, since you blindly endorse any and all decisions on the basis that it's their job and they must be professionals. Just like the professional writers that wrote the worst ending in gaming history. Some professionals. But google it, because I'm not going to bother worsening by carpal tunnel by explaining to you something you will neither understand nor retain.

Drink your kool-aid, sycophant. But do it somewhere else.

Have fun with your aggressive and immature attitude over a game. You're a prime example of my point and how to be a child too. I do not need to get into an internet baby fight.

[SimulatedSnowman]

Doommarine23 wrote...

Completely missed me, my point was about how people are acting and respect. Everyone here acts like as if we really know what we're going on about. We don't and thats really that. You want to voice your opinion? Fine, but I don't see the need for lack of respect I see in quite a few posts here and all over the forum.

I would say that we really do know what's going on. I play this game a lot, that's a fact. I'm positive that I have a very good grasp on what I'm talking about when I talk about this game. I agree that it's not cool to be a dick about it, but I can understand the frustration.

And yes I have played Mass Effect 3, look at my manifest, I basically have everything unlocked and besides gear and URs all maxed out. I was never saying things were perfect and things had no issues. (Besides the fact that SP doesn't pertain and all those you listed are bugs).

No, but you were saying that the developers have a much better grasp on how the game plays because they are professionals etc. I was saying that the game experience is probably much different than the developers intended, because I can't see how you'd allow things like game ending bugs to continue to exist. Let's not forget that they said the vanguard glitch was fixed, and they said that the ULM SMG bug was fixed, and well... Seems ultra-professional to me. 

You completely missed me entirely, my post was about respect and how everyone acts entitled, as if we know what we're going on about, and what the game is supposed to be. I'm simply saying the devs who made it, problaby have a better idea of what they want their game to be and how they want their weapons to function within it.

Again, as players, our experience with the game is much much greater than the developers, and again, I'd be curious to see if the developers truly intended for most of the weapons to be varying degrees of useless. 

You want to challenge their opinion? Sure, but I don't see the need for lack of respect or immature entitlement people throw around.

I don't think it's immature to feel entitled over a game that you paid for and continue to pay for. 

[IrishDeath420]

Great idea. Counter the release of Borderlands 2 by making this game less enjoyable.

[neteng101]

GallowsPole wrote...

and for some, feel entitled to believe the game should be tailored for THEM, and not the MP as a whole.

Yet anytime a representation of the playerbase is polled, there's always been an overwhelming majority in the polls opposed to nerfs.  Yes the forum is not everyone that plays, but its a valid sample.

You can argue against individuals here and try to prove yourself more mature by calling them childish, but it actually lowers you to their level when you do this.  You're no longer talking about the topic at hand and attacking individuals maturity, which makes you just as childish as their responses to you.

[Rifneno]

Doommarine23 wrote...

Have fun with your aggressive and immature attitude over a game. You're a prime example of my point and how to be a child too. I do not need to get into an internet baby fight.

The word you're looking for is "disgust."  I'm disgusted with you, as I am with pretty much all sycophants and brown-nosers.

You're either a troll or an idiot.  There's no other option.  You come into threads where people are upset and venting over a negative change and you spew this sermon at them about how they're all acting like children for not accepting that the all-knowing "professionals" are always right and it's immature to question their infinite wisdom.  Either you're not smart enough to realize you're the antagonist here, or you are and you're one those adorable victim card trolls.  I don't know, I don't care.  Either way the opening two sentences of my post fit.

[megabeast37215]

Mr SeVerS wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Wooooohooooo Piranha nerf! Thank God! I'm so sick of seeing 2-3 Piranhas in every Platinum lobby. It's a crutch/noob weapon, and I hate it. It also makes 90% of the other weapons seem like poor choices in comparison. I hope it gets it's balls chopped off.

The Piranhas a crutch? I guess youve failed to notice all those big invincible dinosaur looking things, usually colored pink, with Blue electric flame melting everything infront of them.

Eitherway, ill take the Claymore regardless.

Believe it or not... I never see Kroguards unless I'm playing one (I play it melee specced with an Acolyte). The rare time that I do see one... the person using it is doing it wrong (like taking cover and shooting the way a soldier does).

[rmccowen]

neteng101 wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

and for some, feel entitled to believe the game should be tailored for THEM, and not the MP as a whole.

Yet anytime a representation of the playerbase is polled, there's always been an overwhelming majority in the polls opposed to nerfs.  Yes the forum is not everyone that plays, but its a valid sample.

You can argue against individuals here and try to prove yourself more mature by calling them childish, but it actually lowers you to their level when you do this.  You're no longer talking about the topic at hand and attacking individuals maturity, which makes you just as childish as their responses to you.

Well-done polls reflect people's opinions and preferences; if lots of people are wrong, the poll will still tell you what they think. So the best that could be said about "a representation of the playerbase is polled" is that lots of people don't want nerfs--which has literally no demonstratable relationship to whether or not nerfs are bad for the game.

Oh, and I'm speaking as someone with professional experience when I say this: the idea that the forum is a valid sample is jaw-droppingly ridiculous. It's like calmly walking into a paleontology conference and announcing that your presentation on The Flintstones will begin at 1:00pm.

[-Sxx-]

A nerf? Really? I keep saying this, but BW never listens, focus on the stuff that needs it. I wonder if BW will completely nerf the weapons or nerf it some and buff it in other areas. That would be more fair.  ARs still need some love, along with some other stuff. 

Where's our missing Earth weapon mods BW? Where?

Modifié par Dest1ny, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:46 .