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[Ice Cold J]

I wouldn't complain about nerfing if the enemies weren't being constantly buffed.

[sandboxgod]

GallowsPole wrote...

BW has said time and time again they simply don't have the man power to buff all the weapons.

And yet they have the manpower to nerf the good ones. Such irony. This MP balance team is beyond atrocious

[dnapayne]

I guess I might as well use the crap out of it this week while it's still good.

[JaimasOfRaxis]

So, let me ask:

Is the objective of these nerfings to get as much of the community to ragequit as humanly possible?

[JamesDobry]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

So, let me ask:

Is the objective of these nerfings to get as much of the community to ragequit as humanly possible?

^^THIS:happy:

[Katzblager]

Goodbye playerbase.

[Haersvaelg]

Feneckus wrote...

 It's amazing that they decide to nerf the carniflex now. I thought they nerfed things according to their data. No one uses that gun anymore. At launch though, you couldn't find a lobby without at least one Carniflex. Why not nerf it back then ?

Exactly. It is incredibly mysterious to me why they choose to do it at this point, where it has been eclipsed by lots of other options introduced by later DLC and there are several viable alternatives within its own weapon category (Talon, Paladin for most direct comparison, Acolyte and Scorpion for alternative playstyle, niche) and people have figured out for the most part that a much better weapon (from another category) is in a whole lot of cases worth taking over the perfect 200% CD, or just as viable.

Even if it turns out to be a small nerf, it is just not needed and it is horrible from a psychological point of view to nerf popular old stand-byes, unless something was just discovered that made them gamebreaking. If they do decide to do it, it'll be a really bad decision.

[Eric Fagnan]

I've posted a preview of the changes we're thinking about here.

Modifié par Eric Fagnan, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:20 .

[JAMiAM]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

I've posted a preview of the changes we're thinking about here.

Link isn't working?


Edit...Nevermind, the newly edited link does work.

Modifié par JAMiAM, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:21 .

[Sandman667]

Ha! I don't even use my Piranha that much!
Love my Wraith, yes I do.

[ClockworkSpectre]

Sandman667 wrote...

Ha! I don't even use my Piranha that much!
Love my Wraith, yes I do.

They should buff the Wraith, I like it too, it just sucks that rare shotguns out perform it atm.  

Modifié par ClockworkSpectre, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:56 .

[Mafia_Steve]

I don't understand the need to balance the Carnifex. It's heavily used by adept, but mainly because there aren't many pistol options.

There are 9 pistols in MP.

3 of those pistols are ultra-rare, meaning that most people don't have them all, if any at all; so we'll remove them.

So now we have 6. Predator and Phalanx are common and uncommon, respectively, so they should be less powerful than the rare Carnifex. The Eagle is a promotional weapon, and its poor reputation is widely known. Let's remove those three weapons.

We now have 3 pistols that are on the same tier: the Carnifex, Arc Pistol, and the Acolyte. The Acolyte is a specialized weapon that is meant to compliment another primary gun (and is also accused of being OP). So, the Arc Pistol is really the only other option for Adepts in the pistol category.

Again, I don't see the need to balance it. If you want less people using the Carnifex, make more rare pistols in future DLC's to compete with it.

Modifié par Mafia_Steve, 19 septembre 2012 - 06:42 .

[BouncyFrag]

Based on the title threads here I thought the impending nerfs would be epic and worthy of someone jumping off the mp once and for all.
*reads proposed balance changes*
Much ado about nothing I say.

Modifié par BouncyFrag, 19 septembre 2012 - 06:57 .

[Tankcommander]

I've never really liked the Piranha, too much spread. More accurate weapons mean more headshots which means more damage. If you can't aim, sure, but still I don't see anyone dominating with the Piranha like I saw people dominating with the Krysae.

Huh, more useless nerfs. I've come to absolutely dread the balance changes; the nerfs almost always spell the end to the weapon, and the buffs don't really do anything to help them.

Case in point: Typhoon and Eagle.

[ClockworkSpectre]

Mafia_Steve wrote...

I don't understand the need to balance the Carnifex. It's heavily used by adept, but mainly because there aren't many pistol options.

There are 9 pistols in MP.

3 of those pistols are ultra-rare, meaning that most people don't have them all, if any at all; so we'll remove them.

So now we have 6. Predator and Phalanx are common and uncommon, respectively, so they should be less powerful than the rare Carnifex. The Eagle is a promotional weapon, and its poor reputation is widely known. Let's remove those three weapons.

We now have 3 pistols that are on the same tier: the Carnifex, Arc Pistol, and the Acolyte. The Acolyte is a specialized weapon that is meant to compliment another primary gun (and is also accused of being OP). So, the Arc Pistol is really the only other option for Adepts in the pistol category.

Again, I don't see the need to balance it. If you want less people using the Carnifex, make more rare pistols in future DLC's to compete with it.

This is a pretty much along the lines of what I have been thinking.  With the addition that I think the Paladin needs to be given its 4th round per clip back, there is a reason people use the Carnifex over the Paladin.

[Daynan]

Rifneno wrote...

Daynan wrote...

I'm supporting whatever changes they'll make.
The Carnifex was always my go to pistol, far lighter than I admit it should be, I find it preferable to the heavy Paladin VI I've got which only does slightly more damage than the Carnifex for half the clip.

You don't even need to put ULM on it on many builds to get 200% with a ULMed SMG.
Balancing has never been too hard to stomach. They'll do what's right with the Carnifex.

The party (may) be over, but I might still use it despite what happens. Still, on the bright side, if it is a significant nerf, it'll encourage us to use other pistols.

Same goes for the Piranha. Challenge and variety over ease!

I'm looking forward to seeing the N7 Eagle changes too. =) I'm a Rank III member of the misery loves company club!

Blind endorsement.  That's always a good sign.

Again, balancing has never been too hard to stomach. Personally I believe the team's had a good history of balancing, so it's not blind. Based on that history I can't be pessimistic about it. I know not everyone agrees.
Many of us have taken the good and the bad for the good of a better game.

Modifié par Daynan, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:29 .

[Tymathee]

lmao these are the nerfs you guys ar ewhining about.

Eric Fagnan wrote...

Hey everyone, just so you guys aren't left in the dark, here is what we're thinking of changing to the Carnifex and Piranha for next week's balance changes.

Piranha Shotgun
- Clip size decreased from 8 to 6

Carnifex Pistol
- Encumbrance increased from [1.0-0.5] to [1.2-0.7]

thats nothing...seems totally reasonable, go go Bioware!

[Daynan]

Tymathee wrote...

lmao these are the nerfs you guys ar ewhining about.

Eric Fagnan wrote...

Hey everyone, just so you guys aren't left in the dark, here is what we're thinking of changing to the Carnifex and Piranha for next week's balance changes.

Piranha Shotgun
- Clip size decreased from 8 to 6

Carnifex Pistol
- Encumbrance increased from [1.0-0.5] to [1.2-0.7]

thats nothing...seems totally reasonable, go go Bioware!

All this doomsaying seems pretty unfounded now doesn't it?

[Asebstos]

ClockworkSpectre wrote... With the addition that I think the Paladin needs to be given its 4th round per clip back, there is a reason people use the Carnifex over the Paladin.

Not that reason.

[Finchtastic]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

We will be making changes to the Eagle next week.

oh god no please leave the Eagle alone!! 

[Asebstos]

Finchtastic wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

We will be making changes to the Eagle next week.

oh god no please leave the Eagle alone!! 

You don't want the Eagle buffed?

[Daynan]

Finchtastic wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

We will be making changes to the Eagle next week.

oh god no please leave the Eagle alone!! 

"Ugh, Bioware always nerfing the good guns! When are you going to stop ruining perfectly good guns? I want to keep denying pwr combos with my N7 Eagle!"

(You like this. )

Modifié par Daynan, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:56 .

[hudder92]

Daynan wrote...

Tymathee wrote...

lmao these are the nerfs you guys ar ewhining about.

Eric Fagnan wrote...

Hey everyone, just so you guys aren't left in the dark, here is what we're thinking of changing to the Carnifex and Piranha for next week's balance changes.

Piranha Shotgun
- Clip size decreased from 8 to 6

Carnifex Pistol
- Encumbrance increased from [1.0-0.5] to [1.2-0.7]

thats nothing...seems totally reasonable, go go Bioware!

All this doomsaying seems pretty unfounded now doesn't it?

No, because you know as well as I do. That they did this to make it seem not so bad. And then in a few more weeks they will do another mild nerf to the Piranha. Then next thing you know the Piranha is nothing more than a boat ancor.