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[Xaijin]

Rudest wrote...

@Xaijin--

Because they need buffs. There needs to be incentive to use them, and incentive to choose a sniper rifle or the Carni. Do you ever get tired of looking at your weapons selection, and dismissing more than half of the weapons? I'm not saying nerf the Carnifex into a oblivion. Far from that. It might need a slight weight increase or some such. -slight-

When I choose a sniper rifle Is shouldn't think "Why am I using this? It's like a gimp Carnifex" I should be going picking up both, and asking myself rather I like the feel of this, or the feel of that. Beyond that, there should be no correlation.

Which has nothing to do with the carnifex. Remove the carnifex from the game and ARs and snipes still generally suck. Plenty of people have provided rather brilliant ideas on making them not suck, and nothing has happened. The point is to improve that which needs to be addressed, and do not improve that which is great as it is.

[born2beagator]

Rifneno wrote...

As a heads up, we are looking at balance changes to the Piranha and Carnifex for next week. We feel the Piranha is still too dominant of a weapon even with the recent balance changes and needs further adjustment. Although we haven't touched the Carnifex since ship, we feel it is obscuring too many other weapons in its class and needs some small adjustments as well.

No bioware.  It does not need a nerf.

HORRIBLE idea.

[Rudest]

That is quite alright Raven!

But I mean. Take the mantis and set it beside the widow: Mantis is lighter. Mantis is a dependable starter weapon. It has a role, a niche, a place. The widow of course supersedes it in a lot of areas but that is the nature of tiers.

But... Look at the Incisor. What does it even do?! It takes up space.It doesn't feel like it achieves anything. It has no rung on the ladder persay.

[ASmoothCriminalx]

Paladin X. Lol. or the Talon.

..that is all.

[OhPa2]

Nerfing the Carnifax as unbalanced.  "...obscuring other weapons in it's class."   What kind of corporate sounding BS is that?

[Rudest]

Those weapons are lacking with or without the Carnifex. If a day comes when they are no longer lacking, I still need incentive to choose them or the Carnifex more; be it a preference on rate of fire modes. scope-no-scope, recoil--

I use the Carnifex more than any other weapon. There is a reason for that. I would think. Perhaps I am wrong though, I am open to this possibility; me and numbers have never been close friends >.>

Modifié par Rudest, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:18 .

[The Answer]

Haha, they choose to continue these pointless nerfs? After 6 months of the game being out you want to now nerf a casters bread and butter gun? The carnifex isn't too powerful. The other alternatives simply suck. Thank God I have a talon 9 and a Paladin 5 to offset this ridiculous change.

[born2beagator]

OhPa2 wrote...

Nerfing the Carnifax as unbalanced.  "...obscuring other weapons in it's class."   What kind of corporate sounding BS is that?

Its complete BS.  There are other caster weapons that are most certianly not overshadowed by the Carnfiex.

STOP with the needless nerfs Biofail.  You already nerfed the Piranha anyways<_<

[mpompeo27]

Rifneno wrote...

mpompeo27 wrote...

Instead of nerfing the Carnifex they should buff the Phalanx and just make the Carnifex a little heavier.

Instead of nerfing the carnifex they should buff the phalanx and nerf the carnifex? 

I don't consider weight changes to be nerfs or buffs since the weapon's actual effectiveness is unchanged.

[Rudest]

To make those others "not suck" I think the ceiling needs to be lowered a little. Not much. Not an obscene amount. Something minor, hardly noticeable--but enough. Enough to make me consider other things.

I will agree 100% that right now, even with a slight nerf I'd still be using the Carnifex. Because it would still be better.

[Nissun]

If you buff the Eagle so that it does not suck, maybe people will use that more and use the Carnifex less. I don't know, it's just this crazy theory I have.

[Rifneno]

mpompeo27 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

mpompeo27 wrote...

Instead of nerfing the Carnifex they should buff the Phalanx and just make the Carnifex a little heavier.

Instead of nerfing the carnifex they should buff the phalanx and nerf the carnifex? 

I don't consider weight changes to be nerfs or buffs since the weapon's actual effectiveness is unchanged.

You can say "I don't consider bananas a fruit because they're not round"... doesn't make you right.

[ASmoothCriminalx]

Mr SeVerS wrote...

Nerf the guns all you like - aslong as theres Krogaurds you'll be almost invincible and able to kill anything with anything on any difficulty.

Get it together.

Sweet. Just give them ideas the next update, why don't you?

"Well.. you may nerf that and that, but we still have THIS?"
 
I'm kidding, surely people's biased writings on a forum have no affect on the actions BW takes.. right?

Modifié par ASmoothCriminalx, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:25 .

[Aiiro]

if the carnifex becomes a crap weapon I'm going to be so pissed

[Rebel_Raven]

Rudest wrote...

To make those others "not suck" I think the ceiling needs to be lowered a little. Not much. Not an obscene amount. Something minor, hardly noticeable--but enough. Enough to make me consider other things.

I will agree 100% that right now, even with a slight nerf I'd still be using the Carnifex. Because it would still be better.

IMO there's no way to safely lower the ceiling as far as enemies go without nerfing a handful of the more powerful guns thanks to the gap between, say, the GPS, and harrier.

If it gets lowered to the point the GPS is viable as far as I'm concerned, then the Harrier becomes OP.

Right now my benchmark for non niche guns (Niche guns being the striker, scorpion, acolyte) is a silver difficulty Brute. If a weapon can't do 1-2 bars of damage on them with a clip, or -really- quickly with reloads, I tend to not wanna use it coz there's guns that won't kill my cooldown that will get the job done, AND do the job of less apt guns.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:26 .

[bondiboy]

No real surprise re the Piranha . Hopefully just a weight change. Can not see any reason to nerf Carnifex . It is probably one of the most balanced guns in the game.

[Geth Platforms]

what they really need to do is stop gifting us the weekly trolling and patch the damn game

[Kogia]

Just in case the more voices the more impact;

Please do not nerf these two guns, they do not need it, neither of them. Buff the other weapons in their class if you are worried about them negatively impacting on them, then see if people switch. Then maybe look at nerfing later down the line if you still feel there is imbalance.

The Carnifex is a great caster pistol, but it's not the only option, in fact the Heavy Pistols have many possible choices and you see a great variety of them being used. Just buff the one or two that are lacking.

The Pirahna is also a great weapon, I love charging in with my BatSent, but I have to get right in and close for it to be useful. If I wanted more power I can chose a Claymore, if I want more range and options I can use the GPS, there are still options.

[parico]

jordie3000 wrote...

LadyNemsis21 wrote...

It makes no sense to nerf the piranha the freaking thing has no range on it.

True to a point.  With a smart choke and used on the Destroyer or GI it can snipe pretty darn far.  Heres a thought Bioware:  instead of nerfing the gun reduce the characters that can severely expliot its effectiveness maybe?????  After the nerf it will be junk and GI's and Destroyers will just find a new toy to exploit. I really dont get the carnifex nerf if the palidin was what it should be  instead of a useless UR  no one would use it anyway.  It all boils down to Bioware not wanting anyone to beat the game in the hopes we will be fools and waste real money on the crap store.   

[mybudgee]

Who gives a squirt about the Carnifex? If the lore is to be respected, the Phalanx SHOULD be the king of pistols. So a Nerf to the Carnifex Ought to be Coupled with an M-5 BUFF!
Also; PLZ GAWD Nerf the Piranha!!!! I am so SICK & Tired of every hack CoD player putting this gun on a geth and strutting around! So easy and childish!
The PUGs are overflowing with kids playing GI + Piranha and I for one want to see more variety and skill. Surely I am not the only one?!?!
<_<

Modifié par mybudgee, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:33 .

[Rudest]

This is true Raven, and to do so would be a seemingly impossible balancing act. Staggering, and overwhelming. I suppose I just wish some of these guns would matter you know? I'd love to be able to stride into a game with my vindicator and not feel gimp lol.

I suppose I'll concede on at least part of notion that the nerfing is neccessary. The buffing certainly takes precedence.

[Silasqtx]

Cyonan wrote...
Are you saying they're even more annoying to hit in the Black Mesa mod than in the base 1998 game?

Playing it on Hard, almost at the end. Died like 7-8 times before the Lambda Core against those beetches.

Oh, and they also turn invisible.

Rifneno wrote...
I've no idea what an " HL(Black Mesa mod) assassin" is as I'm not a big shooter fan .

 


Related: Change weapon rarity. Piranha becomes an UR, Carnifex doesn't need a nerf  tbh.
Looking forward to an Eagle huge, titanic buff in damage.

[jd641]

born2beagator wrote...

OhPa2 wrote...

Nerfing the Carnifax as unbalanced.  "...obscuring other weapons in it's class."   What kind of corporate sounding BS is that?

Its complete BS.  There are other caster weapons that are most certianly not overshadowed by the Carnfiex.

STOP with the needless nerfs Biofail.  You already nerfed the Piranha anyways<_<

Biofail seems to be the proper term for a Carnifax nerf. I've never seen a co-op game where weapons and sometimes enemies stats change weekly, it's just .... I don't even know.

[Doommarine23]

jd641 wrote...

born2beagator wrote...

OhPa2 wrote...

Nerfing the Carnifax as unbalanced.  "...obscuring other weapons in it's class."   What kind of corporate sounding BS is that?

Its complete BS.  There are other caster weapons that are most certianly not overshadowed by the Carnfiex.

STOP with the needless nerfs Biofail.  You already nerfed the Piranha anyways<_<

Biofail seems to be the proper term for a Carnifax nerf. I've never seen a co-op game where weapons and sometimes enemies stats change weekly, it's just .... I don't even know.

Would you prefer what other games do which is nothign at all or giant balance changes that impact like a hard punch instead of a smooth curve?