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[vurtual3]

TheCourier_1 wrote...

I will not go gentle into that good night, I will rage, rage against the nerfing of the Carnifex.

BioWare, be warned.

+1

[Maker MEDA]

Carnifex isn't important now, barely anyone I play with even use the gun.

I think them nerfing it might be a mistake? It's such a stable to go to, it's a known quality gun. Seems like a shame to change things up now.

Piranha is too important the way it is to Platinum play, if they want the Piranha to be less dominating, they need to give us alternative weapons that's just as good or better made for Platinum.

We need more options, not less.

Modifié par Maker MEDA, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:43 .

[steverw1975]

davidman92 wrote...

Seriously? The Piranha, yeah, it's still insanely good and it still renders half the shotguns obsolete, so maybe it could use a bit of a nerf. The Carnifex, though? Really?

Or, maybe they could make some other weapons actually reliable on gold and platinum. A lot of people using the Piranha doesn't necessarily mean that it's OP. It could just as easily mean the other options just aren't all that good.

[mybudgee]

HOW IS THE Reegar not an alternative to the Piranha on platinum?? Or the Claymore? Oh, wait...the Claymore requires aiming....

[Rudest]

@Xaijin

Oh! And that goes for you too--I stand corrected it seems ^-^

[Malanek]

I would be very hesitant to nerf the Pirahna again. Firstly, there are plenty of other shotguns it doesn't obscure. The GPS, Raeger, Claymore are all argueably as (if not more) powerful. The Pirahna though fills a niche for kits that are more conscious about their weapon weight but still want firepower at short and medium range. Neither the scimitar nor Katana really provide enough kick, if the Pirahna is nerfed substantially, people are not going to start using them more, it will be a different high powered weapon.

However I can understand the Carnifex nerf proposal. I don't think a big one is needed, just increase the weight so that the Asari Adept, with rank 1 and 4 encumbrance boosts, can only get down to 190% cooldown. That is a minor change in ability but just gives the player something else to consider. At the moment the fact it weighs more than other caster weapons is largely irrelevant because of the cap.

But before that is done perhaps consider the fact that recharge powers have become slightly marginalised by the characters that don't care about weight. Grenades and heavy hitting guns tend to be dominating and a carnifex nerf will hurt casters more even though it is probably a little too powerful.

Also, thanks for the heads up. This has upset some people but now they can make their own arguments for or against and be heard.

Modifié par Malanek999, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:51 .

[RamsenC]

If they increase the weight of the Carnifex to 0.9 at X that's a respectable nerf, but anything else will be silly. Lore wise the Paladin is supposed to be lighter than the Carnifex anyways.

[Josh.de]

BioWare and their nerfs, going on the mayorities on their nerves;

Besides that, the other day after promoting my Adept class and respecking them, I forgot to change the weapon loadout and went just with the predator X pistol into a match, no problem, went very fine to my surprise.

On my nerves they wont get anymore with their stupid nerfs.

Unless for DLC content they wont see any money anymore for BW points to buy weapons faster.

They troll everyone, just look what, when and how it happened to the Typhoon, nerf-fest DeLuxe, BioWare showed their full ignorant side to their fellow players, keep on trolling BioWare.

[Silasqtx]

Doommarine23 wrote...

Would you prefer what other games do which is nothign at all or giant balance changes that impact like a hard punch instead of a smooth curve?

I prefer games where developers change things when they become gamebreaking or don't shine as they should, not looking for something to change EVERY EFFIN WEEK.

I mean come on, the argus is worse than the Mattock. The Phalanx is better than the Carnifex. The Eagle is an SMG disguised as a Pistol. The one-shotting Sniper Rifles mostly suck. classes have not so much difference between them, except for (thanks again Bioware) Earth characters.

We have thousands of useless weapons because none of them shines as it should. In ME2 SMG's did more damage against barriers and shields, here they just blatantly suck (except for the hurricane, but that's a reversed-Eagle)

Shotguns: We have two sniper rifles (claymore + Crusader), the Evisce-Wraith that blatantly suck compared to them and the Piranha, the one and the only semi-auto shotgun that should be left alone because, as it is, is balanced. The only two classes that can use it efficiently are the destroyer and the GI.

Sniper Rifles: Every one-shot-reload sniper rifle except for the Javelin (in this case only when carried by a GI) is utter ****. Same goes for every semi-auto sniper rifles except for the Black Widow and the Valiant. The Indra is an Assault rifle with a scope slapped on.

Assault Rifles: AHHAHAAHAHAHAHAH. The only real assault rifle is the Harrier which will probably get nerfed soon. The Typhoon became a gust of wind.

Pistols: The only class that has some variety. We have the Acolyte, specialized in stripping down barriers and such. We have the Talon, a pistol-shotgun hybrid. We have the scorpion, useful sidearm for more crowd control, then the same old plethora of useles, similar weapons like the Phalanx, the Eagle (which is a promotional item), the Carnifex and the paladin.

And yes, I do think that the Paladin sucks compared to the Talon.


My point? Make every weapon unique before even talking about balance changes.

Modifié par Silasqtx, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:56 .

[K_O_513]

>Weapon is too powerful. People don't use other weapons in the same class
>Nerf said weapon
>Other weapons still suck
>???
>Profit

[steverw1975]

UpirNoir wrote...

I would have been surprised if they would have left the Piranha alone. You basically don't see any other Shotgun used anymore. And when you see what a skilled GI with a Piranha X does, well let's just say bodys are piling up faster than you can count.

First, I see quite a few people using the Reegar these days. Secondly, what's the point of nerfing a weapon based on what a specific class designed to max out damage can do with it? They need to continue to hold off on the nerfs and continue to buff more weapons. Instead of keeping us looking for those rare weapons that can really hold up to gold and platinum (and finding out that we all tend to agree on what those weapons are), improve the other weapons so that we feel like we can load up in multiple ways without handicapping ourselves.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

The Carnifex being nerfed? Lolwut. Pure nonsense.

[mybudgee]

/\\this. An important distinction people are forgetting: the Harrier has a limit on ammo... the Reegar has a range limit. With a smart choke, the Piranha has no real weakness. It must be cut down to size...

[Rifneno]

mybudgee wrote...

HOW IS THE Reegar not an alternative to the Piranha on platinum?? Or the Claymore? Oh, wait...the Claymore requires aiming....

I'm going to go with "because the reegar does half damage to armor and platinum is a gauntlet of bosses".

[Darth Nikon]

Welp looks like my Asari Adept is going back to the Paladin I that the arsehat store refuses to give me an upgrade for.

If Bioware is essentially going to keep fscking me over every time I find a character/gun combo that works for me and lets me actually have *fun* playing, the only sensible answer is for me to tell Bioware to get bent and not bother anymore. "Oh, you found a setup that works well for you and don't feel a need to mess with the store anymore? Let's change that, we have to make people want to spend $$$ in the store as much as possible."

These changes are to balance the game my ass. They're Bioware's best effort to drive store sales.

Oh wait, I have BL2 now, I don't have to deal with this jackassery anymore.

Never again, EA/Bioware. Never again.

[PsychoticBiotic]

I don't care. I hardly use either. The Talon, Paladin, Scorpion, and Acolyte are all better than the Carnifex. I really don't understand the obsession with it, especially since we have ULM for pistols now.

[Rifneno]

Darth Nikon wrote...

Welp looks like my Asari Adept is going back to the Paladin I that the arsehat store refuses to give me an upgrade for.

If Bioware is essentially going to keep fscking me over every time I find a character/gun combo that works for me and lets me actually have *fun* playing, the only sensible answer is for me to tell Bioware to get bent and not bother anymore. "Oh, you found a setup that works well for you and don't feel a need to mess with the store anymore? Let's change that, we have to make people want to spend $$$ in the store as much as possible."

These changes are to balance the game my ass. They're Bioware's best effort to drive store sales.

Oh wait, I have BL2 now, I don't have to deal with this jackassery anymore.

Never again, EA/Bioware. Never again.

You know, I'm usually the first one to facepalm at a BL2 mention, but in this case you're right.  I'd be jumping ship too if I was here for the gameplay and not for the Mass Effect that this MP team didn't build.

[Personality Disorder]

PsychoticBiotic wrote...

I don't care. I hardly use either. The Talon, Paladin, Scorpion, and Acolyte are all better than the Carnifex. I really don't understand the obsession with it, especially since we have ULM for pistols now.

The first three of your list are bloody ultra-rares, they are supposed to be better + they are much harder to get and play different roles (not Paladin). Acolyte is a niche gun, specialising in stripping shields, comparing it to Carnifex is insane.

Edit: This got me tinking - there is literally no alternative to it, the only other rare heavy pistol (except the already mentioned and highly specialised Acolyte) is... Arc Pistol. I am not going to start using Phalanx all of a sudden and I don't like charged weapons generally, so that leaves me with Carnifex as the only decent heavy pistol option of the rare tier. I have no idea what nerfing Carnifex will accomplish. 

Modifié par Personality Disorder, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:19 .

[etm125]

First I wanna say a nerf to one weapon is a buff to all others in the category. "The pirahna is OP" OP compared to what? "the phalanx is underpowered" compared to what?

The only absolute you have here are enemies. A nerf to one weapon makes all the alternatives more attractive. besides, there have been videos of level 1s beating plat with common weapons.

I use the GI pirahna on all plat games and quite a few gold games. It needs a nerf. The biggest beef I have with it is it makes the entire sniper rifle category obsolete. I can kill things across the map quickly with a shotgun. A shotgun! Crazy high damage and clip size is ok because of the supposed risk involved with getting close. I wouldn't make it heavier (its a great lightweight shotgun) but a range nerf and or a slight damage nerf would be reasonable. I miss my claymore but there's just no reason to use it with the pirahna around.

The carni nerf-- ......what? When was the last time you saw a carni used in a game? I havent used one in months. This one's just bizarre.

[UpirNoir]

steverw1975 wrote...

UpirNoir wrote...

I would have been surprised if they would have left the Piranha alone. You basically don't see any other Shotgun used anymore. And when you see what a skilled GI with a Piranha X does, well let's just say bodys are piling up faster than you can count.

First, I see quite a few people using the Reegar these days. Secondly, what's the point of nerfing a weapon based on what a specific class designed to max out damage can do with it? They need to continue to hold off on the nerfs and continue to buff more weapons. Instead of keeping us looking for those rare weapons that can really hold up to gold and platinum (and finding out that we all tend to agree on what those weapons are), improve the other weapons so that we feel like we can load up in multiple ways without handicapping ourselves.

True, the Reegar is being used a lot as well. Thats why I wouldn't mind a slight nerfing of it as well.
Regarding your second point. It's all a matter of perspective. Why do you feel that you are handicapping yourself Weapon A ? Because Weapon B is so much better. Now in order to balance this you can either nerf Weapon B or buff Weapon A. Now sseing how Gold and even Platinum is nothing more than a piece of cake for skilled players/teams, I don't think you need to make it even easier by turning every Weapon into a giant "I win" button (<-- intentional exaggeration). You see where I am trying to get at ?

[Rifneno]

etm125 wrote...

First I wanna say a nerf to one weapon is a buff to all others in the category.

Worst logic never used in the form of a Yo Dawg meme.

[Master Xanthan]

They're gonna nerf the Carnifex? The gun isn't overpowered at all.

[sandboxgod]

Crap my two favorite guns are getting nerfed to nothing soon most likely. Granted, maybe the piranha is better than the other shotties. But I guess they gave up on trying to bump up the other shotties to not suck and instead nerf the really popular one. Wish they'd buff the Disciple. I got it at X and its still worthless. This is what cracks me up. 

Terrible balance team. Disciple X sucks even tho its a rare. People are getting booted out of matches when they try to use it. But they wont buff it?????

I guess I am taking this much better than I expected. Maybe its because all these other new games have just released. so havent been playing this game very much.

Modifié par sandboxgod, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:31 .

[brian_breed]

davidman92 wrote...

Seriously? The Piranha, yeah, it's still insanely good and it still renders half the shotguns obsolete, so maybe it could use a bit of a nerf. The Carnifex, though? Really?

I'll be honest. I see the reasoning behind both proposed adjustments.

The Pirahna's performance puts most of the other shotguns to shame. More important than its throughput, however, is how thoughtless its use can be. Like the Krysae (once upon a time), the gun required little to no aiming on the part of the player. Even though its accuracy is reportedly poor, that hasn't seemed to affect its performance enough to really limit the weapon's use to close range builds.

Right now the Carnifex outclasses most other (non-niche) pistols by a wide margin. The only guns that give it a run for its money are the Talon and the Paladin if you've had the good fortune to upgrade them. The Acolyte serves its purpose, but is hindered by the "to charge you must break cover" mechanic. Same goes for the Arc Pistol.

Even though I roll the Carnifex on most of my cast classes, I'm interested to see what they do to affect its performance. That said, I think the far better proposal would be to buff some of the other same-tier pistols instead of reduce the power of the Carnifex.