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[Tallgeese_VII]

They couldn`t pick better time to nerf these two (sarcasm)
We are not gaining people right now... so make them leave more? Seriously god help us.

[Blind2Society]

Would be very unhappy with a carnifex nerf. How unhappy, I'm not yet sure.

[JustinSonic]

This is annoying. The Piranha is fine as it is.

Buff the Wraith. That'll at least make me happy.

[Mgamerz]

They should buff the paladin again. The carnifex is so much better than it in terms of weight and clip size. Nerfing it is not the answer.

[sanitarium616]

Silasqtx wrote...

Shotguns: We have two sniper rifles (claymore + Crusader), the Evisce-Wraith that blatantly suck compared to them and the Piranha, the one and the only semi-auto shotgun that should be left alone because, as it is, is balanced. The only two classes that can use it efficiently are the destroyer and the GI.

This is the problem I have with a piranha nerf. I feel like they want to nerf if because of how it functions on only 2 classes, the GI and destroyer. It's good, but not that great on the other classes. Maybe consider buffing the other weapons so people will want to use them, instead of killing off the good ones.

[etm125]

Rifneno wrote...

etm125 wrote...

First I wanna say a nerf to one weapon is a buff to all others in the category.

Worst logic never used in the form of a Yo Dawg meme.

It's perfectly logical.

Insults aside-- how is it not? You select a weapon from a pool of weapons in a category. you select X, not because it is innately great, but because it is better in relation to all other options. If X becomes weaker, then all other options become more viable. Greater variety amongs possible builds, etc. This is a good thing. 

The only true baseline, or absolute, you have are the enemies you fight against. The only way you can argue to buff all weapons in a category to the level of X overpowered gun is if you think the absolute, enemies, are too powerful and games are too difficult. Bugs aside, I don't see how you can argue that this is true. 

[neteng101]

brian_breed wrote...

Right now the Carnifex outclasses most other (non-niche) pistols by a wide margin. The only guns that give it a run for its money are the Talon and the Paladin if you've had the good fortune to upgrade them. The Acolyte serves its purpose, but is hindered by the "to charge you must break cover" mechanic. Same goes for the Arc Pistol.

Umm that's because the Arc Pistol and Acolyte are "niche" pistols!  There's only one Rare non-niche pistol.  And you're saying the URs are better, but they should indeed be.

Honestly the Phalanx is actually one of the best pistols, excellent fire rate and awesome at headshots.  I stopped using it (and the Carnifex too, though the Carni could not keep up with the Phalanx fire rate) when they took away some options from us like Prime headshots.  There should be weak points on bosses, these days its just shoot them up silly anywhere stupid with the max DPS weapon you can muster.

[sandboxgod]

Yeah thats whats burning me up. Instead of buffing all of these worthless guns they just try to take the easy way out and nerf the good ones. Will this make my Disciple X viable?? Hell no. Some hosts in Gold+ will still kick you for bringing it. Wraith is a UR and will still be weaker than other options

Sure, Piranha is a bit strong some of us will admit. But what is the purpose of nerfing it when this game is full of so many worthless guns. The crappy store doesnt make it any easier. If the store didnt suck- at least we could prevent it from wasting our credits on these worthless guns

Come on devs

And fix all these exploits. Come on spend a little money and get programmers to fix these glitches. Tired of watching off-host vanguards float into the air. That's a bloody unforgivable bug. Game should never ship with such an obvious bug yo

[UpirNoir]

etm125 wrote...

It's perfectly logical.

Insults aside-- how is it not? You select a weapon from a pool of weapons in a category. you select X, not because it is innately great, but because it is better in relation to all other options. If X becomes weaker, then all other options become more viable. Greater variety amongs possible builds, etc. This is a good thing. 

The only true baseline, or absolute, you have are the enemies you fight against. The only way you can argue to buff all weapons in a category to the level of X overpowered gun is if you think the absolute, enemies, are too powerful and games are too difficult. Bugs aside, I don't see how you can argue that this is true. 

^ This

[dream3873]

Bioware you are making a huge mistake in nerfing these two weapons. It is good to have variety in a game you know. I hardly use either weapon and just cant understand the logic of nerfing something into oblivion?

[djspectre]

Despite the Dev's post about nerfing the Eagle, I really didn't feel it was that great of a weapon due to it's weight.

[sandboxgod]

etm125 wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

etm125 wrote...

First I wanna say a nerf to one weapon is a buff to all others in the category.

Worst logic never used in the form of a Yo Dawg meme.

It's perfectly logical.

Insults aside-- how is it not? You select a weapon from a pool of weapons in a category. you select X, not because it is innately great, but because it is better in relation to all other options. If X becomes weaker, then all other options become more viable. Greater variety amongs possible builds, etc. This is a good thing. 

The only true baseline, or absolute, you have are the enemies you fight against. The only way you can argue to buff all weapons in a category to the level of X overpowered gun is if you think the absolute, enemies, are too powerful and games are too difficult. Bugs aside, I don't see how you can argue that this is true. 

Your logic would make sense if nerfing Piranha would make Disciple X and some of these other shotties viable. But no- Wraith will still be weaker than rares even tho its a UR. And my Disciple X will still be beyond worthless.

This nerf is a lose/lose no matter how you look at it.

edit- fixed spelling

Modifié par sandboxgod, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:45 .

[ShootemAllday]

BIOWARE OBVIOUSLY WANTS PEOPLE TO USE THE MISSLE GLITCH, BECAUSE THEY KEEP MESSING WITH EVERYTHING GOOD ABOUT THIS GAME AND TURNING IT INTO SOME FREAK CIRCUS SIDESHOW THAT WEEK TO WEEK THEY CANT EVER SEEM TO GET RIGHT! NERF THIS, BUFF THAT! i'M FED UP WITH THE GARBAGE, CAN YOU PUT OUT A GAME AND LEAVE IT ALONE, OR ARE YOU SO INEPT AT MAKING ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU KEEP SCREWING IT UP EVERY TIME YOU ATTEMPT TO MAKE WHAT YOU THINK IS THE ULTIMATE BALANCE?

[Blind2Society]

Killing the carnifex will just be another hit to the AA and HA who already have to deal with how much warps sucks without a small AoE burst.

Leave the carnifex alone!

[Malanek]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Guys, can I get a source on this quote?

The use of the phrase 'too dominant of a weapon' makes me think this quote is fake.

Unless Bioware employees failed basically English classes.

http://social.biowar.../index/14160718 

[Dream-Maker]

I don't really now how they would balance the Carnifex, personally I hardly use this gun anymore, I prefer a Talon over this any day. It already fills its own niche among pistols, I can't really think of one gun that might suffer in comparison.

The only weapons I can think of are the Viper and the Saber but that was in the past and since they got buffed. The Viper in particular got buffed again today. So yeah I don't know what they want to achieve with any Carnifex nerf nor how they would nerf it.

My guess is that the weapon is overused just because it's easy to obtain and to use and that when people search for caster builds they find mostly the old ones who just said "use Carnifex and nothing else" all along. It's obvious now though that this thinking about the absolute need of 200% cooldowns on casters has become obsolete and there are many more weapons other than the carnifex that can allow for that now, while being more powerful.


However I can understand that the piranha might still need a slight nerf, but a weight nerf isn't the answer. All people asking for that are probably using it on GI or Destroyer on which weight doesn't matter. The weapon could bear a slight damage nerf and still be a very powerful option at mid to close range for everyone while being less obscene on the weapon platforms.

Modifié par Dream-Maker, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:32 .

[megabeast37215]

Wooooohooooo Piranha nerf! Thank God! I'm so sick of seeing 2-3 Piranhas in every Platinum lobby. It's a crutch/noob weapon, and I hate it. It also makes 90% of the other weapons seem like poor choices in comparison. I hope it gets it's balls chopped off.

[Heggy]

A new balance tactic recently seems to be to play with headshot modifiers. I think a clever nerf might be to simply cut the Carnifex's headshot modifier to 2.0. Eagle will probably get a headshot boost and a recoil reduction.

Anyway, when's the last time we had a nerf? 6 weeks!

[Tallgeese_VII]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Wooooohooooo Piranha nerf! Thank God! I'm so sick of seeing 2-3 Piranhas in every Platinum lobby. It's a crutch/noob weapon, and I hate it. It also makes 90% of the other weapons seem like poor choices in comparison. I hope it gets it's balls chopped off.

You mean Quad.

[hudder92]

They wonder why the number of people playing MP is dwindling. Maybe they should look at themselves. The vast majority of people don't want the nerfs. It's why I quit playing.

[GordianKnot42]

Okay, here's the thing. In general, I suck at shooting games. This is why I love Mass Effect and especially ME multiplayer: all those lovely guided powers that I don't have to aim too much on.

The idea of all these different classes and all these different weapons is to give people a range of ways to play the game. My straight-up casters needed a reliable weapon to put out decent damage during a very short cooldown instead of just hiding behind something waiting for a recharge. Enter the Carnifex (scoped), which at least made me feel like I was doing more than spitting on the enemy during a cooldown.

Then one style of gameplay I was never very good at was the idea of a shotty Infiltrator. Enter (finally) the Piranha, which allowed me to finally enjoy this type of class.

Now these two weapons that allow me to enjoy myself when I play are being nerfed, which then detracts from my enjoyment in playing those classes at all. Yes awesome players can play like a god with these weapons. I am not one of those players.

In short, you gotta leave a gun or two that are good enough for players who suck like me to use well.

[Meatiershower]

Blind2Society wrote...

Would be very unhappy with a carnifex nerf. How unhappy, I'm not yet sure.

[Dream-Maker]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Wow. Well I guess we know why they're so incompetent when it comes to making balance changes. If they can't even get basic English correct, how are they supposed to know which weapons to change?

Morons.

Judging by his name Eric's mother tongue is probably not English. You guys should feel bad for being a such  douchebags on small details like this while everyone understood what he wrote.

I may not agree with all the changes they make but overall they have done a great job so far and judging by the balance suggestions I see on these forums everyday I'm glad BSNers aren't doing them. We'd end up having all enemies shoot marshmallows and all player weapons shoot tresher maws.

Modifié par Dream-Maker, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:07 .