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[ZiRK]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Wooooohooooo Piranha nerf! Thank God! I'm so sick of seeing 2-3 Piranhas in every Platinum lobby. It's a crutch/noob weapon, and I hate it. It also makes 90% of the other weapons seem like poor choices in comparison. I hope it gets it's balls chopped off.

The Piranhas a crutch? I guess youve failed to notice all those big invincible dinosaur looking things, usually colored pink, with Blue electric flame melting everything infront of them.

Eitherway, ill take the Claymore regardless.

Modifié par Mr SeVerS, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:10 .

[mykejm]

What weapons are being overshadowed by the Carnifex? I regularly use the Acolyte, Scorpion, Carnifex and Paladin. If they nerf the Carnifex then I'll just use either the Acolyte, Scorpion or the Paladin. So then they've reduced my viable pistol choices from four to three.  It's not like i'm going to start using the Phalanx instead.

Makes little sense to me.

Modifié par mykejm, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:12 .

[Cyonan]

Dream-Maker wrote...
Judging by his name Eric's mother tongue is probably not English. You guys should feel bad for being a such douchebags on small details like this while everyone understood what he wrote.

I may not agree with all the changes they make but overall they have done a great job so far and judging by the balance suggestions I see on these forums everyday I'm glad BSNers aren't doing them. We'd end up having all enemies shoot marshmallows and all player weapons shoot tresher maws.

It's the internet.

When people run out of actual arguments, or they just want to "troll"(I hesitate to even call them that) they attack random things like grammar.

[Mondhase]

 No, not my beloved Carnifex! Noooooooooooo!  

[JameJame456xx]

Uhmm not sure how its going with the other two platforms (360 and PC), but since the release of Borderlands 2, almost all activity of PS3 ME3 has halted as in I can't find ANYMORE gold matches. Only those with complete rookies. With this nerf, it justifies players leaving and moving onto a new game. I'm dead serious there is like no fanbase on the PS3 right now.

[Dendio1]

Because too many casters using these two guns

You want your favorite weapon to remain untouched? Switch it up every once in a while

[WestLakeDragon]

I understand the Piranha nerf, I see at least 2 every game, but the Carnifex isn't super OP, I'd put it on the same ground as the Phalanx, just under different circumstances. The Carni can pop the nice headshots, whereas the Phalanx has a lot more bullets to play with (and yes, the Carnifex is better, but it is also a rare).

Also, on my casters I use a decent variety. I use the Phalanx, Carni and the Hurricane for the classes that can handle a little bit of weight.

Modifié par WestLakeDragon, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:14 .

[Dendio1]

JameJame456xx wrote...

Uhmm not sure how its going with the other two platforms (360 and PC), but since the release of Borderlands 2, almost all activity of PS3 ME3 has halted as in I can't find ANYMORE gold matches. Only those with complete rookies. With this nerf, it justifies players leaving and moving onto a new game. I'm dead serious there is like no fanbase on the PS3 right now.

Missile glitch is a double edged sword. Its nice in the short term, but long term all those who leeched off the glitcher got the guns they wanted and lose interest

[Dendio1]

WestLakeDragon wrote...

I understand the Piranha nerf, I see at least 2 every game, but the Carnifex isn't super OP, I'd put it on the same ground as the Phalanx, just under different circumstances. The Carni can pop the nice headshots, whereas the Phalanx has a lot more bullets to play with (and yes, the Carnifex is better, but it is also a rare).

its not super op, but its probably one of the most used guns. In their own words the carni obscures other guns. Bioware will give it a lil nerf to get people interested in other weapons

[LemurFromTheId]

GordianKnot42 wrote...

Okay, here's the thing. In general, I suck at shooting games. This is why I love Mass Effect and especially ME multiplayer: all those lovely guided powers that I don't have to aim too much on.

The idea of all these different classes and all these different weapons is to give people a range of ways to play the game. My straight-up casters needed a reliable weapon to put out decent damage during a very short cooldown instead of just hiding behind something waiting for a recharge. Enter the Carnifex (scoped), which at least made me feel like I was doing more than spitting on the enemy during a cooldown.

Then one style of gameplay I was never very good at was the idea of a shotty Infiltrator. Enter (finally) the Piranha, which allowed me to finally enjoy this type of class.

Now these two weapons that allow me to enjoy myself when I play are being nerfed, which then detracts from my enjoyment in playing those classes at all. Yes awesome players can play like a god with these weapons. I am not one of those players.

In short, you gotta leave a gun or two that are good enough for players who suck like me to use well.

This is why we have four distinct levels of difficulty. If you feel you're not very good with weapon-based classes - even if they're generally well balanced with other classes - play on a lower difficulty when using those classes. Or are you saying that weapons feel inadequate even on Bronze?

[SilentCO1]

It needs a Nerf anyway, Paladin isn't a good choice over it until higher levels.

[DatFeel]

The weight of the Piranha should be increased, and if you don't think so you're lying to yourself. Other than that it's fine.

I have no idea why they would want to even touch the Carnifex though, this company must have no idea what it's doing.

[Rifneno]

etm125 wrote...

It's perfectly logical.

Insults aside-- how is it not? You select a weapon from a pool of weapons in a category. you select X, not because it is innately great, but because it is better in relation to all other options. If X becomes weaker, then all other options become more viable. Greater variety amongs possible builds, etc. This is a good thing.

The only true baseline, or absolute, you have are the enemies you fight against. The only way you can argue to buff all weapons in a category to the level of X overpowered gun is if you think the absolute, enemies, are too powerful and games are too difficult. Bugs aside, I don't see how you can argue that this is true.

No. The amount of alternatives does not determine the power of something. The scimitar isn't going to kill better next week because the piranha got nerfed.

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Guys, can I get a source on this quote?

The use of the phrase 'too dominant of a weapon' makes me think this quote is fake.

Unless Bioware employees failed basically English classes.

Awww c'mon. I know I'm a dick sometimes, but you thought it was a fake quote?

[WestLakeDragon]

Rifneno wrote...

No. The amount of alternatives does not determine the power of something. The scimitar isn't going to kill better next week because the piranha got nerfed.

Exactly. That is my feelings for the Carnifex. I mean, I understand they want people to use other pistols, but make another attractive choice for others, then. Put a beefy Eagle buff on the table, and I can assure you that Carnifex will see a drop in use.

Modifié par WestLakeDragon, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:21 .

[Installation17]

I care little.
My claymore and arc pistol will still be more boss than either of those guns are.

[Teukki]

Carniflex and Piranha actually do some damage. Too many pea-shooters in this game already. I don't even use them that often anymore, but after a nerf I'd probably never touch them again. Too many weapons are part of a grey mass that are not very interesting, and making better weapons worse does not - at least for me - make the lesser weapons seem better or more tempting. Quite the opposite. I actually started practicing with Kishock after the last buff.

Yes, I suck at this game, but I'm sure I'm not alone. How big is the percentage of MP players who actually can do well on Gold/Platinum (FBW/G aside)? I don't believe it's that big as you'd think reading these forums. Give us mediocre/bad players a chance, dammit.

[mykejm]

DatFeel wrote...

The weight of the Piranha should be increased, and if you don't think so you're lying to yourself. Other than that it's fine.

I have no idea why they would want to even touch the Carnifex though, this company must have no idea what it's doing.

The weight of the Piranha won't change how powerful it is in the hands of a Geth Infiltrator.

[Josh.de]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

We will be making changes to the Eagle next week.

Very good :-)

So everyone can calm down now, no nerfs on Carnifex nor Piranha (next week).

[Rifneno]

Josh.de wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

We will be making changes to the Eagle next week.

Very good :-)

So everyone can calm down now, no nerfs on Carnifex nor Piranha (next week).

What?

[mykejm]

They're just going to swap the Eagle's stats with the Carnifex's.

[LemurFromTheId]

WestLakeDragon wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

No. The amount of alternatives does not determine the power of something. The scimitar isn't going to kill better next week because the piranha got nerfed.

Exactly. That is my feelings for the Carnifex. I mean, I understand they want people to use other pistols, but make another attractive choice for others, then. Put a beefy Eagle buff on the table, and I can assure you that Carnifex will see a drop in use.

What about acolyte, arc pistol, predator, phalanx, paladin, talon and scorpion? Shouldn't they be buffed too, then?

No, because pistols as a whole are good enough compared to other weapon categories. Isn't it a bit more sensible to adjust the one pistol that's being overused?

[quack123]

This is not the way too keep players BW, especially announcing this on this day when borderlands 2 came out. Honestly the piranha isn't even that op and thats only on GI and Destroyer, I haven't actually seen anyone use a carnifex in months.

[Josh.de]

Rifneno wrote...

Josh.de wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

We will be making changes to the Eagle next week.

Very good :-)

So everyone can calm down now, no nerfs on Carnifex nor Piranha (next week).

What?

He responded on the first page of this thread, good you made it in first place :-)

[Rifneno]

Aedolon wrote...

WestLakeDragon wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

No. The amount of alternatives does not determine the power of something. The scimitar isn't going to kill better next week because the piranha got nerfed.

Exactly. That is my feelings for the Carnifex. I mean, I understand they want people to use other pistols, but make another attractive choice for others, then. Put a beefy Eagle buff on the table, and I can assure you that Carnifex will see a drop in use.

What about acolyte, arc pistol, predator, phalanx, paladin, talon and scorpion? Shouldn't they be buffed too, then?

No, because pistols as a whole are good enough compared to other weapon categories. Isn't it a bit more sensible to adjust the one pistol that's being overused?

So the most popular thing must always be broken.  Lovely logic.

[WestLakeDragon]

Aedolon wrote...

WestLakeDragon wrote...

Exactly. That is my feelings for the Carnifex. I mean, I understand they want people to use other pistols, but make another attractive choice for others, then. Put a beefy Eagle buff on the table, and I can assure you that Carnifex will see a drop in use.

What about acolyte, arc pistol, predator, phalanx, paladin, talon and scorpion? Shouldn't they be buffed too, then?

No, because pistols as a whole are good enough compared to other weapon categories. Isn't it a bit more sensible to adjust the one pistol that's being overused?

Well, the one pistol that needs the most love is the Eagle. It is an N7 UR. It SHOULD be pretty crazy. What I'm saying is that they should hit up a big Eagle buff, then view the usage statistics on pistols, THEN decide if further changes need to be done to change the usage of the Carnifex over other pistols.

On a side note, I forgot about my Talon. I need to use that more. Though to be fair I did use it a lot when I used my Shadow, I just haven't used her in a while.