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[Rawgrim]

Emzamination wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Threads like this are amazing.I remember origins had one gay romance (that went both ways) each for gay wardens while the hetero wardens had 2 (3 with with the femwarden) options, yet no one was complaining about the unfair scale tip then because atleast we got something.It was not fair that straight wardens could hook up with leliana and zevran but gay wardens were shut down when trying to hit on morrigan and alistair.This needs to be taken into serious account in Da3.

Well a gay person wouldn`t turn straight just because a straight person hit on himher. the thing here is immersion. Belivability. Not whats fair.

Lets say we have 10 love intersts in DA3. 0 of them are bisexuall, 1 is straight. Even that is an improvement from DA2, since not ALL of them are whatever your character is.

What do you mean it's not about what's fair? If I purchase the same game as you, I deserve an equal amount of content including romances not restricted by sexuality.

If the problem lyes with Bi romances then maybe they should be cut from the game completely.A hetero character should not be able to flaunt between both straight and bi LI while gay characters are restricted to the latter effectively giving them less romances.

Uhm...in my example gay characters would get more romance options?

You gave a hypothetical example while I'm giving a direct statement.Also the top of your post contradicts the bottom.

I see I was wprding myself poorly in the above one. What i meant was "Not being able to get a straight person to turn gay, has nothing to do with fairness". Its how life is. Some people are straight, others are gay.. If thats fair or not, I don`t know. its just reality.

[zevranarainais]

Rawgrim wrote...

aetherwyn wrote...

Nope. I prefer being able to play as a female and still romance whoever the hell I want. In DA2, for instance, when Anders and Fenris were busy with their brooding and angst, Isabela and my Lady Hawkes were getting it on. Sure, I'm a straight girl IRL, but that doesn't matter. Gender does not matter. It shouldn't. End of story. You should be able to romance whoever you want in-game (except when it's extremely against a character's nature, as in Sebastian). 

Luckily, the Dragon Age team is filled with perfect snowflakes who are too cool to listen to gender and sexuality limitations, and who have the ability to make interesting characters who are not defined by which of the genders they want to bang. Imagine that.

Its not about limitations, its about everyone being bisexuall messing up immersion for people.

If you're a straight female Hawke romancing Anders, does he wax poetic about having sex with Karl? No? I don't see how that's immersion breaking. Isabela, on the other hand, is openly flirty with everyone -- and her being interested in your character isn't immersion breaking, either.

Perhaps I'm missing something? It seems meta-gaming is what's actually immersion-breaking.

[MACharlie1]

Rawgrim wrote...

aetherwyn wrote...

Nope. I prefer being able to play as a female and still romance whoever the hell I want. In DA2, for instance, when Anders and Fenris were busy with their brooding and angst, Isabela and my Lady Hawkes were getting it on. Sure, I'm a straight girl IRL, but that doesn't matter. Gender does not matter. It shouldn't. End of story. You should be able to romance whoever you want in-game (except when it's extremely against a character's nature, as in Sebastian). 

Luckily, the Dragon Age team is filled with perfect snowflakes who are too cool to listen to gender and sexuality limitations, and who have the ability to make interesting characters who are not defined by which of the genders they want to bang. Imagine that.

Its not about limitations, its about everyone being bisexuall messing up immersion for people.

As long as you don't pick the option, does it really make a difference? 

Would you be opposed to say...Anders being bi. BUT - for LadyHawke he'd be super easy to romance. For ManHawke it takes a little extra persuation? 

[syllogi]

brushyourteeth wrote...

I'd love to have a mix of gay, lesbian, straight, and bi companions!

But a lot of players really enjoy being able to control the orientation of the people in their party, and I'm not super interested in fighting to take that away from them.

"Controlling" orientation sounds a lot like the "love doll" thing someone else said earlier in this thread.  It's assuming that anyone who wants to be able to choose their love interest based on something other than their pixelated gender doesn't care about good writing and the personality of the characters.  It's a big, unflattering assumption.

[Rawgrim]

aetherwyn wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

aetherwyn wrote...

Nope. I prefer being able to play as a female and still romance whoever the hell I want. In DA2, for instance, when Anders and Fenris were busy with their brooding and angst, Isabela and my Lady Hawkes were getting it on. Sure, I'm a straight girl IRL, but that doesn't matter. Gender does not matter. It shouldn't. End of story. You should be able to romance whoever you want in-game (except when it's extremely against a character's nature, as in Sebastian). 

Luckily, the Dragon Age team is filled with perfect snowflakes who are too cool to listen to gender and sexuality limitations, and who have the ability to make interesting characters who are not defined by which of the genders they want to bang. Imagine that.

Its not about limitations, its about everyone being bisexuall messing up immersion for people.

If you're a straight female Hawke romancing Anders, does he wax poetic about having sex with Karl? No? I don't see how that's immersion breaking. Isabela, on the other hand, is openly flirty with everyone -- and her being interested in your character isn't immersion breaking, either.

Perhaps I'm missing something? It seems meta-gaming is what's actually immersion-breaking.

Its semi-metagaming, I will agree on that. And the romance icon causes it. Reminds the player that no matter what gender you are, every romance option will be interested in you. And that fact is immersion breaking. Thats the whole discussion. Not wether or not its ok to be gay or anything like that (it is).

[CitizenThom]

Rawgrim wrote...

SergeantCilantro wrote...

making every character bisexual seems very artificial because in real life not everybody is bisexual. its just catering to the fanbase in a very basal way. sexuality is a large part of character, and having one "standard" for it would be as boring as everyone in DA2 being a brown-haired human female born in Fereldan.

variety is the spice of life - gamers who "want it all" should not decide characterization

Exactly. Having both straights, bis, gays in your party adds for alot more spice. The companion interaction alone would be worth it.

A mix would be good. Less generic 'types' within that mix would be good too, as a couple people mentioned in another thread on the DA2 forums (sorry can't find the thread to link it). http://social.biowar...ndex/13683385/6

Modifié par CitizenThom, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:08 .

[ScarMK]

Blackrising wrote..

It's alright.
But it's not really because you're the main character. If you never talked to them or refused to help them with anything, a romance won't happen. So they don't fall in love with you because you're the main character, but because you earned their affection.
Or at least that's the way I see it.

You are right, help none of them and they won't fall for you.  But if you do help them/care about them, why are they willing to bend to your sexuality if you flirt with them?  Each character should have their own quirks and preferences, with sexual orientation being among them.   

[BubbleDncr]

aetherwyn wrote...

Nope. I prefer being able to play as a female and still romance whoever the hell I want. In DA2, for instance, when Anders and Fenris were busy with their brooding and angst, Isabela and my Lady Hawkes were getting it on. Sure, I'm a straight girl IRL, but that doesn't matter. Gender does not matter. It shouldn't. End of story. You should be able to romance whoever you want in-game (except when it's extremely against a character's nature, as in Sebastian). 

Luckily, the Dragon Age team is filled with perfect snowflakes who are too cool to listen to gender and sexuality limitations, and who have the ability to make interesting characters who are not defined by which of the genders they want to bang. Imagine that.

I guess you editied out the part in bold, since its no longer on your post. 

So, would it weaken Sebastian's character for him to be bisexual, because it would not make sense with all of his previous character development.?

If that's the case, isn't it logical that other characters could be strengthened by by being exclusively swinging one way?

[brushyourteeth]

aetherwyn wrote...

Nope. I prefer being able to play as a female and still romance whoever the hell I want. In DA2, for instance, when Anders and Fenris were busy with their brooding and angst, Isabela and my Lady Hawkes were getting it on. Sure, I'm a straight girl IRL, but that doesn't matter. Gender does not matter. It shouldn't. End of story. You should be able to romance whoever you want in-game. Inclusivity over exclusivity. 

Luckily, the Dragon Age team is filled with perfect snowflakes who are too cool to listen to gender and sexuality limitations, and who have the ability to make interesting characters who are not defined by which of the genders they want to bang. Imagine that.

I totally get where you're coming from, and believe me when I say that I'm not trying to invalidate your point here. But if gender didn't matter, players who want the chance to romance everyone would understand that nothing's stopping them from doing that -- they can just play as the opposite gender next time. If gender doesn't matter, end of story, then stepping into that gender's shoes shouldn't be too much to ask. But it does, and apparently it is.

So while I respect that you want to be able to romance whoever you want whenever you want (and your opinion is completely valid), "gender does not matter" is an argument that won't take you very far. Because gender IS the issue. If it weren't, players would have said "no problem - I'll just play as a girl and romance Alistair!" or "Aw nuts, no lesbian love with Morrigan? Ah well, I'll roll a dude." - but that's not how the debate went down in real life.

[MorningBird]

Rawgrim wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Threads like this are amazing.I remember origins had one gay romance (that went both ways) each for gay wardens while the hetero wardens had 2 (3 with with the femwarden) options, yet no one was complaining about the unfair scale tip then because atleast we got something.It was not fair that straight wardens could hook up with leliana and zevran but gay wardens were shut down when trying to hit on morrigan and alistair.This needs to be taken into serious account in Da3.

Well a gay person wouldn`t turn straight just because a straight person hit on himher. the thing here is immersion. Belivability. Not whats fair.

Lets say we have 10 love intersts in DA3. 0 of them are bisexuall, 1 is straight. Even that is an improvement from DA2, since not ALL of them are whatever your character is.

Maybe, but I think it's within reason to believe that Thedas is not the real world and that you are going to find societal differences even where sexuality is concerned.  Heck, just look at the brothels.  You can tap anything and anyone of any gender, even as far back as Origins.  I think that says a lot about the sexual appetites of your average man/woman in Thedas.

A good example: the human noble can successfully woe both Dairren and Iona too their bed.  Two random people who just happened to be visiting with Lady Landra are attracted to the human noble indiscriminately of gender.  Once again, that says volumes about the actual world dynamics of Thedas.  Basically, that it's not strange or 'reality shattering' to encounter more than one person (AT THE SAME TIME!) who is openly interested in a bi/gay relationship, sexual or otherwise.  Heck, it's actually appears to be pretty common.

DA2 hardly 'changed the game' in that regard.

Having said that, I do recall people compaining about only having one s/s love interest per gender in DAO to a straight Warden's two.  People cared enough about this to make and download mods that would make Alistair and Morrigan accessible to Wardens of both genders.

For the people complimenting ME and it's use of realistic romances: these mods existed for those games too, only... they did the exact opposite.  Traynor and Cortez turned out to be pretty popular with straight Shepards.  Tons of people were butthurt to discover they were gay only, and the two were modded to be straight. =/

Whether or not you agree with these mods is kind of a moot point.  What they make abundantly clear is that there is no accounting for people's tastes.  What I find a compelling love interest might not be your cup of tea.  Making all of the LI's accessible to everyone is at least one way to ensure players aren't saddled with an unsavory (or no) LI, or forced into playing a gender they don't want to play for the sole purpose of having their character be with a LI they do find desirable.

*sigh* Sometimes I envy the players to don't give a whiff about DA romances.

[zevranarainais]

Rawgrim wrote...

aetherwyn wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

aetherwyn wrote...

Nope. I prefer being able to play as a female and still romance whoever the hell I want. In DA2, for instance, when Anders and Fenris were busy with their brooding and angst, Isabela and my Lady Hawkes were getting it on. Sure, I'm a straight girl IRL, but that doesn't matter. Gender does not matter. It shouldn't. End of story. You should be able to romance whoever you want in-game (except when it's extremely against a character's nature, as in Sebastian). 

Luckily, the Dragon Age team is filled with perfect snowflakes who are too cool to listen to gender and sexuality limitations, and who have the ability to make interesting characters who are not defined by which of the genders they want to bang. Imagine that.

Its not about limitations, its about everyone being bisexuall messing up immersion for people.

If you're a straight female Hawke romancing Anders, does he wax poetic about having sex with Karl? No? I don't see how that's immersion breaking. Isabela, on the other hand, is openly flirty with everyone -- and her being interested in your character isn't immersion breaking, either.

Perhaps I'm missing something? It seems meta-gaming is what's actually immersion-breaking.

Its semi-metagaming, I will agree on that. And the romance icon causes it. Reminds the player that no matter what gender you are, every romance option will be interested in you. And that fact is immersion breaking. Thats the whole discussion. Not wether or not its ok to be gay or anything like that (it is).

Ah, but you can flirt with Varric and Aveline, and neither of them is a romance option. Having the flirt icon just means that your character is flirting -- how other characters respond is entirely another matter.

[Rafficus III]

I think certain characters should be strictly straight, gay, or bisexual. I don't want Hawke-sexual 2.0 to happen again; it was one of my chief complaints because I felt it undercut the uniqueness to the romance. The notion of making everyone fair game is a good thought and nice, but it's not true to the character they are portraying. Why would Sebastian, a choir singing church boy be gay? Why should Wade, a blatantly gay man have the possibility of being straight (if he were to be LI, though entirely unlikely)? It all comes down to a lack of self-restraint. I understand Dragon Age is an era where all sexual orientations are accepted, but in the end some are just flat out straight and others flat out gay, it is what it is; people are born this way and characters should be no different as we attempt to flesh them out in the most realistic manner of all. If we devalue the character's back-story and their very persona for the sake of appeasement, we're just devaluing them to sexual fantasy NPC's. And with that I'll end it their as my post is becoming to serious for a video game, especially one at which I have the choice in not partaking said options.

tl;dr: I agree with the TC.

[Rawgrim]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

aetherwyn wrote...

Nope. I prefer being able to play as a female and still romance whoever the hell I want. In DA2, for instance, when Anders and Fenris were busy with their brooding and angst, Isabela and my Lady Hawkes were getting it on. Sure, I'm a straight girl IRL, but that doesn't matter. Gender does not matter. It shouldn't. End of story. You should be able to romance whoever you want in-game (except when it's extremely against a character's nature, as in Sebastian). 

Luckily, the Dragon Age team is filled with perfect snowflakes who are too cool to listen to gender and sexuality limitations, and who have the ability to make interesting characters who are not defined by which of the genders they want to bang. Imagine that.

Its not about limitations, its about everyone being bisexuall messing up immersion for people.

As long as you don't pick the option, does it really make a difference? 

Would you be opposed to say...Anders being bi. BUT - for LadyHawke he'd be super easy to romance. For ManHawke it takes a little extra persuation? 

No idea. I only romanced isabela. Only finished the game 2 times.

But you are touching on a very good idea there. Lets say Cassandra is "90 percent" straight. BUT if you play your cards exactly right as a female character, you might still romance her. things like that would add to the replayability, I think.

[brushyourteeth]

syllogi wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

I'd love to have a mix of gay, lesbian, straight, and bi companions!

But a lot of players really enjoy being able to control the orientation of the people in their party, and I'm not super interested in fighting to take that away from them.

"Controlling" orientation sounds a lot like the "love doll" thing someone else said earlier in this thread.  It's assuming that anyone who wants to be able to choose their love interest based on something other than their pixelated gender doesn't care about good writing and the personality of the characters.  It's a big, unflattering assumption.

Forgive me, syllogi. I wasn't implying anything by it, honestly - just quoting players who I've heard (well, read) in the past actually saying things like "I like being able to control my LI's orientation."

[Rawgrim]

aetherwyn wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

aetherwyn wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

aetherwyn wrote...

Nope. I prefer being able to play as a female and still romance whoever the hell I want. In DA2, for instance, when Anders and Fenris were busy with their brooding and angst, Isabela and my Lady Hawkes were getting it on. Sure, I'm a straight girl IRL, but that doesn't matter. Gender does not matter. It shouldn't. End of story. You should be able to romance whoever you want in-game (except when it's extremely against a character's nature, as in Sebastian). 

Luckily, the Dragon Age team is filled with perfect snowflakes who are too cool to listen to gender and sexuality limitations, and who have the ability to make interesting characters who are not defined by which of the genders they want to bang. Imagine that.

Its not about limitations, its about everyone being bisexuall messing up immersion for people.

If you're a straight female Hawke romancing Anders, does he wax poetic about having sex with Karl? No? I don't see how that's immersion breaking. Isabela, on the other hand, is openly flirty with everyone -- and her being interested in your character isn't immersion breaking, either.

Perhaps I'm missing something? It seems meta-gaming is what's actually immersion-breaking.

Its semi-metagaming, I will agree on that. And the romance icon causes it. Reminds the player that no matter what gender you are, every romance option will be interested in you. And that fact is immersion breaking. Thats the whole discussion. Not wether or not its ok to be gay or anything like that (it is).

Ah, but you can flirt with Varric and Aveline, and neither of them is a romance option. Having the flirt icon just means that your character is flirting -- how other characters respond is entirely another matter.

I know. I explained it earlier in the thread. Varric and aveline arn`t romance options. the whole point  is that all of the romance options are bi, and that fact is immersion breaking, because the game treats Hawke like some sex god that can affect the romance options sexuality. It seems like that when they go for whatever gender you are.

[Rawgrim]

Rojahar wrote...

Why is the "protagonist-sexual" line only ever drawn when it comes to bisexuality? I don't see people getting this worked up, offended, and fighting against the fact Morrigan will fall in love with and sleep with any man, regardless of his species, appearance, background, or any number of things. I'd say "Ditto with Alistair" except he'll only marry a human noble - a little thing I did like, though everyone else seems to hate. People constantly demand the ability to modify their characters from combat style to appearance to personality... but customizable sexuality is the one taboo???

Its an issue when all the options are bisexual. Nobody has problem when there are diversity. It just feels like the player character chosing the NPC`s sexuality when every single one of them are bi. Breaks immersion.

[MACharlie1]

Rawgrim wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

aetherwyn wrote...

Nope. I prefer being able to play as a female and still romance whoever the hell I want. In DA2, for instance, when Anders and Fenris were busy with their brooding and angst, Isabela and my Lady Hawkes were getting it on. Sure, I'm a straight girl IRL, but that doesn't matter. Gender does not matter. It shouldn't. End of story. You should be able to romance whoever you want in-game (except when it's extremely against a character's nature, as in Sebastian). 

Luckily, the Dragon Age team is filled with perfect snowflakes who are too cool to listen to gender and sexuality limitations, and who have the ability to make interesting characters who are not defined by which of the genders they want to bang. Imagine that.

Its not about limitations, its about everyone being bisexuall messing up immersion for people.

As long as you don't pick the option, does it really make a difference? 

Would you be opposed to say...Anders being bi. BUT - for LadyHawke he'd be super easy to romance. For ManHawke it takes a little extra persuation? 

No idea. I only romanced isabela. Only finished the game 2 times.

But you are touching on a very good idea there. Lets say Cassandra is "90 percent" straight. BUT if you play your cards exactly right as a female character, you might still romance her. things like that would add to the replayability, I think.

Well - at least someone else thinks so. 

It's based on a Kinsey Scale. And obviously it'd work both ways. Like you'd have a 60-90% homosexual character as well. It's none of this black and white sexuality crap. And just so there is always an option, never venture to either 100% on either side. 

[Sabariel]

Filament wrote...

Competing suggestion: do make every romance character bisexual again.

[Blackrising]

Rawgrim wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

aetherwyn wrote...

Nope. I prefer being able to play as a female and still romance whoever the hell I want. In DA2, for instance, when Anders and Fenris were busy with their brooding and angst, Isabela and my Lady Hawkes were getting it on. Sure, I'm a straight girl IRL, but that doesn't matter. Gender does not matter. It shouldn't. End of story. You should be able to romance whoever you want in-game (except when it's extremely against a character's nature, as in Sebastian). 

Luckily, the Dragon Age team is filled with perfect snowflakes who are too cool to listen to gender and sexuality limitations, and who have the ability to make interesting characters who are not defined by which of the genders they want to bang. Imagine that.

Its not about limitations, its about everyone being bisexuall messing up immersion for people.

As long as you don't pick the option, does it really make a difference? 

Would you be opposed to say...Anders being bi. BUT - for LadyHawke he'd be super easy to romance. For ManHawke it takes a little extra persuation? 

No idea. I only romanced isabela. Only finished the game 2 times.

But you are touching on a very good idea there. Lets say Cassandra is "90 percent" straight. BUT if you play your cards exactly right as a female character, you might still romance her. things like that would add to the replayability, I think.

Now that I could get behind. I wouldn't mind it being more difficult to romance a certain companion if you're female/male. That makes it more fun.

[brushyourteeth]

Rojahar wrote...

Why is the "protagonist-sexual" line only ever drawn when it comes to bisexuality? I don't see people getting this worked up, offended, and fighting against the fact Morrigan will fall in love with and sleep with any man, regardless of his species, appearance, background, or any number of things. I'd say "Ditto with Alistair" except he'll only marry a human noble - a little thing I did like, though everyone else seems to hate. People constantly demand the ability to modify their characters from combat style to appearance to personality... but customizable sexuality is the one taboo???

One could argue that Morrigan was gung-ho about trying out the fabled Grey Warden prowess, and Alistair was tired of being a virgin? 

.... just kidding. You have a valid point.

[labargegrrrl]

if we're all going to open this can of worms again...

i'm all for being more INCLUSIVE of sexual diversity. but if you're all going to sit around talking about the EXCLUSION of bisexuality as though we're somehow abnormal, uniquely unrealistic, demeaning to the overall character of a person, etc, ad ifnititum, ad nasueum don't expect me to play nice when you do.

bisexuals like being inclusive of the rest of you (in every possible way) so show some respect.

that being said...

i think that all of the male companions should be bi. and hit on het male characters in every companion interaction, just to TOTALLY make ego-immersive players squirm. just because given certain reactions so far, it will be funny to watch. mwahahahahahaha!

i think that the obviously promiscuous companion should be the ONLY one who isn't bi. i'm tired of listening to people say that only oversexed characters are convincing bisexuals. it's insulting to two groups. first, to bisexuals whose sexual appetites are more moderate. second, to people who are empowered by a high sexual appetite but don't swing both ways. i will spend endless hours browsing forums, amused as I watch brains turn to mush because people won't be able to fathom such a radical change in thinking.

it would also be awesome if the most sexually charged character was into everyone BUT the protagonist (IOW, the nonromanceable companion). just to blow a few egos up like cartful of blackpowder. a nice twist if there ever was one.

someone throw in a transexual, just to confuse both the gender and sexual orientation biases everyone seems to have around here. this will also be funny to watch.

or...how about you start romancing someone, and mid-game, they come out as having been secretly attracted to the other gender the whole time. i mean, if ya'll want realism in romance, that happens. less often than it used to, but still. and the ensuing weeping and gnashing of teeth will fuel my glee more than demons fuel blood-magic.

somebody needs to end up pregnant in one of the hetmances maybe. for realism, you understand. and the party banter about who's turn it is to change diapers would be freaking amazing.

i could go on and on...

[zevranarainais]

brushyourteeth wrote...

aetherwyn wrote...

Nope. I prefer being able to play as a female and still romance whoever the hell I want. In DA2, for instance, when Anders and Fenris were busy with their brooding and angst, Isabela and my Lady Hawkes were getting it on. Sure, I'm a straight girl IRL, but that doesn't matter. Gender does not matter. It shouldn't. End of story. You should be able to romance whoever you want in-game. Inclusivity over exclusivity. 

Luckily, the Dragon Age team is filled with perfect snowflakes who are too cool to listen to gender and sexuality limitations, and who have the ability to make interesting characters who are not defined by which of the genders they want to bang. Imagine that.

I totally get where you're coming from, and believe me when I say that I'm not trying to invalidate your point here. But if gender didn't matter, players who want the chance to romance everyone would understand that nothing's stopping them from doing that -- they can just play as the opposite gender next time. If gender doesn't matter, end of story, then stepping into that gender's shoes shouldn't be too much to ask. But it does, and apparently it is.

So while I respect that you want to be able to romance whoever you want whenever you want (and your opinion is completely valid), "gender does not matter" is an argument that won't take you very far. Because gender IS the issue. If it weren't, players would have said "no problem - I'll just play as a girl and romance Alistair!" or "Aw nuts, no lesbian love with Morrigan? Ah well, I'll roll a dude." - but that's not how the debate went down in real life.

I get where you'e coming from, too, and I admit that is a bit of a flaw in my statement -- It would have been best to say gender shouldn't matter in in-game relationships, not that gender in and of itself is something that should be ignored. I like playing girl characters because I am a girl, and because it's easier for me to develop them, easier for me to get inside their heads.

On that note, I do play games as the opposite gender if I have to. I do that for most other RPGs, I did that in DAO before I modded the game, and I did that for a time so I could get used to m!Hawke's voice. You know, I did say, "Let's go, male blood mage, you romance the hell out of Morrigan." It's not that it's something I'm entirely averse to doing -- I just prefer to be a girl.

And I prefer to have all romance options available to either gender. So, I don't think gender matters in terms of romances or sexuality or what-have-you, I suppose. But, of course, your opinion is just as valid, too.

Edit: One way of putting this is that I prefer inclusivity, I suppose. I prefer to be able to pick my gender, just as I prefer being able to pick my character's love interests and sexuality. It's more inclusive of gender and sexuality, not less so, I think.

Modifié par aetherwyn, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:14 .

[Fidget6]

Emzamination wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Threads like this are amazing.I remember origins had one gay romance (that went both ways) each for gay wardens while the hetero wardens had 2 (3 with with the femwarden) options, yet no one was complaining about the unfair scale tip then because atleast we got something.It was not fair that straight wardens could hook up with leliana and zevran but gay wardens were shut down when trying to hit on morrigan and alistair.This needs to be taken into serious account in Da3.

Well a gay person wouldn`t turn straight just because a straight person hit on himher. the thing here is immersion. Belivability. Not whats fair.

Lets say we have 10 love intersts in DA3. 0 of them are bisexuall, 1 is straight. Even that is an improvement from DA2, since not ALL of them are whatever your character is.

What do you mean it's not about what's fair? If I purchase the same game as you, I deserve an equal amount of content including romances not restricted by sexuality.

If the problem lyes with Bi romances then maybe they should be cut from the game completely.A hetero character should not be able to flaunt between both straight and bi LI while gay characters are restricted to the latter effectively giving them less romances.

You're not getting less content. You're getting different content depending on which gender you pick. You can't have a human noble origin if you pick a Dalish Elf in Origins, that doesn't mean you're getting any less content than anyone else. The solution would be to play through the game again as different races. Just like with the romances, if you want to experience them all, you can play through as different genders. It's great that s/s romances are included in Bioware games, but I feel it's made people greedy, and people's expectations on how to develop characters silly. In my opinion making all LI's bi in DA2 did NOT work well at all.