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[Emzamination]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

What's wrong with every character being bisexual?.

Nothing on its own, but dragon age 2 was very rushed and romances were not as good as they could have been.

Reality doesn't work like that... not everybody is bi. There are straight people, there are gay people, and there are bi people. It's important to put thought into characters and not just make them bi for the sake of it.

I could see that point of view if your LI was expressing a preference in being with the same sex during gameplay but this is not the case.Once you're locked into the romance, they express interest in you and only you.Is the issue what if?

[Rawgrim]

Huntress wrote...

brownboy77 wrote...

I enjoyed having romances options all "bi". it didnt break my immersion or break the character of my game or any other excuse people come up with to not have "bi love options"

I liked that too, imaging me been forced to make a male character just to have Anders in da2.. really? thats just sick!
It didn't work in dao, still havent got all the romances options from that  game because it forces you to be male..
This is NOT  real life.

Yeah. In real life everyone you are interested in are bisexual...

[Biotic_Warlock]

Rawgrim wrote...
And for characters just "turning gay" in order to suit players needs, was immensely immersion breaking..

I'd only partly agree with respects to DA2... but in everything else not a single character was made gay *JUST* to suit player needs. I think it's incredibly poor of judgement for you to say that. Kaidan being an option for Male Shepard in ME3 makes a massive amount of sense and wasn't just breaking immersion.

[Lenimph]

Rawgrim wrote...


Yeah. In real life everyone you are interested in are bisexual...

Yeah in real life I can also light you on fire with my magic! 

[Most Definitely Sane]

In an ideal world, our love interests would consist of a straight male, a gay male, a bisexual male, a straight female, a gay female, and a bisexual female, so everyone would get 4 of 6 options. But if this is not possible, all bisexuals are preferable to anything else.

[txmn1016]

I personally liked that about DA2. Anders wasn't a really big deal to me. I mean. You can be bi and still prefer one gender either at one point in your life or in general. And it did seem like (at least with Anders) that the romance experience was at least slightly different depending on what gender you played. If they were going to do anything I'd say make the romances a little more different depending on what gender you play. But everyone being bi was totally cool with me.

[txmn1016]

Lenimph wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...


Yeah. In real life everyone you are interested in are bisexual...

Yeah in real life I can also light you on fire with my magic! 

Nice.  You won my LOL moment of the day.

[Dhiro]

Rawgrim wrote...

When everyone is BI, it ends up removing the point of playing male or female. In DA2, you got treated exactly the same no matter what gender you are. And for characters just "turning gay" in order to suit players needs, was immensely immersion breaking. Wich race being removed, and gender having absolutely no affect on the game, the only thing left would be the class you pick. Nothing more.

That's only true if you decide your gender based solely on romances, though. There are other factors.

(Both genders are treated equally since DA:O, as far as I know, so you could also say that it had no effect on DA:O, too)

[syllogi]

Rawgrim wrote...

When everyone is BI, it ends up removing the point of playing male or female. In DA2, you got treated exactly the same no matter what gender you are. And for characters just "turning gay" in order to suit players needs, was immensely immersion breaking. Wich race being removed, and gender having absolutely no affect on the game, the only thing left would be the class you pick. Nothing more.

Honestly, that wouldn't bother me a whole lot.  It would be a step up from knowing that I'm going to miss some enjoyable content (like romances with female characters who are not available for f/f) because I don't play male characters in RPGs where I have a choice.

But, as I'm sure others will point out, there were differences in the romances based on gender.  Not huge differences, but the dialogue did change.

I wouldn't mind a variety of set sexual orientations if there were a large pool of romance options, all full fledged and part of the main story.  But that's probably not going to happen.  So, since I'm picky, and I don't want to play a dude to romance a female character I like, I would prefer all bi LIs.  It doesn't hurt, and does help, in my view, so what's the harm?

[Rawgrim]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...
And for characters just "turning gay" in order to suit players needs, was immensely immersion breaking..

I'd only partly agree with respects to DA2... but in everything else not a single character was made gay *JUST* to suit player needs. I think it's incredibly poor of judgement for you to say that. Kaidan being an option for Male Shepard in ME3 makes a massive amount of sense and wasn't just breaking immersion.

If a character is gay, its not problem. But everyone being bisexual kind of is. What are the odds of that? A persons sexuality can add loads to the character. If everyone is bisexual, it doesn`t add anything at all, other than the feeling of the developers just simplifying things to cater to certain people.

[Emzamination]

Rawgrim wrote...

When everyone is BI, it ends up removing the point of playing male or female. In DA2, you got treated exactly the same no matter what gender you are. And for characters just "turning gay" in order to suit players needs, was immensely immersion breaking. Wich race being removed, and gender having absolutely no affect on the game, the only thing left would be the class you pick. Nothing more.

Turning? They aren't vampires or werewolves or any other supernatural paranormal Being gay is a life choice not something you turn into.

Modifié par Emzamination, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:29 .

[Renmiri1]

berelinde wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

I enjoyed having all-bi LIs. It meant I could romance whoever I wanted while still having a character in whatever gender I wanted. It may not be realistic, but I very much enjoy the options. (I realize that this isn't a very popular opinion).

I could not say how popular or unpopular the option was, but I liked it very much. I loved being able to romance the character I wanted to romance with whichever gender I wanted. I would be sad to see this feature go away.

Agreed 100%

Thedas is a world where women can be Grand Clerics, Divines and Knight Commanders. Is a world where Circles have nothing to do but study or experiment  And the Chantry has it's hands busy with being against mages, having no time to "pray away the gay". 

People in Thedas have short lives, that often end violently and their religion is not homophobic at all, it has bigger fish to fry. It makes perfect sense that sexuality is fluid and being bi is not uncommon. Love is found where you can get it, before you meet your end at some darkspawn infested pit, some demon possessed mage or some violent raider / slaver / assassin's hands. 

[Reaverwind]

Lithuasil wrote...

What's wrong with having all bi-lis, especially the way they were handled in DA2?

Romances were BADLY handled in DA2. I'd rather see romances scrapped than deal with that garbage again.

[Dhiro]

Emzamination wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

When everyone is BI, it ends up removing the point of playing male or female. In DA2, you got treated exactly the same no matter what gender you are. And for characters just "turning gay" in order to suit players needs, was immensely immersion breaking. Wich race being removed, and gender having absolutely no affect on the game, the only thing left would be the class you pick. Nothing more.

Turning? They aren't vampires or werewolves or any other supernatural paranormal Being gay is a life choice not something you turn into.

Many people, including myself, would argue that being gay isn't a choice at all. But since this subject usually attracts some heavy drama I believe that we should drop it for now, if you don't mind

[HiroVoid]

Lenimph wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...


Yeah. In real life everyone you are interested in are bisexual...

Yeah in real life I can also light you on fire with my magic! 

It's pretty easy actually.  Other people just mistake it for spontaneous combustion.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Emzamination wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

When everyone is BI, it ends up removing the point of playing male or female. In DA2, you got treated exactly the same no matter what gender you are. And for characters just "turning gay" in order to suit players needs, was immensely immersion breaking. Wich race being removed, and gender having absolutely no affect on the game, the only thing left would be the class you pick. Nothing more.

Turning? They aren't vampires or werewolves or any other supernatural paranormal Being gay is a life choice not something you turn into.

Failed to notice he said that. I agree with the outer quote.

[Rawgrim]

Emzamination wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

When everyone is BI, it ends up removing the point of playing male or female. In DA2, you got treated exactly the same no matter what gender you are. And for characters just "turning gay" in order to suit players needs, was immensely immersion breaking. Wich race being removed, and gender having absolutely no affect on the game, the only thing left would be the class you pick. Nothing more.

Turning? They aren't vampires or werewolves or any other supernatural paranormal Being gay is a life choice not something you turn into.

Well if a guy is straight when you play a female, and gay when you start a new game playing a male...Its immersion breaking, and frankly it messes up replayability abit too. You get the exact same romance with a character no matter what gender you are playing. Meaning you pretty much get the exact same game as well. Gender won`t matter.

[mousestalker]

In real life, most of the people we are initially attracted to are unavailable. Of those that are available, a high percentage are crazy, on the rebound or otherwise damaged. Of the ones who are available and undamaged, a very high percentage turn out to be incompatible. Of the rather minute remainder, you have maybe a fifty fifty shot at things working out.

If a game were to reflect real life, none of us would play it.

[Masha Potato]

Don't want to deal with garbage? Just skip the romances

[PhillyB]

mousestalker wrote...

If a game were to reflect real life, none of us would play it.

Really? I could have sworn that there was a rather large community dedicated to simulation type gaming, but perhaps I was mistaken.

[Rawgrim]

Masha Potato wrote...

Don't want to deal with garbage? Just skip the romances

Yeah...and if you buy a meal at a restaurant, find a fly in the meal, just leave. Don`t complain. Don`t eat at all....

[darfurnub]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Agreed 100%

Thedas is a world where women can be Grand Clerics, Divines and Knight Commanders. Is a world where Circles have nothing to do but study or experiment  And the Chantry has it's hands busy with being against mages, having no time to "pray away the gay". 

People in Thedas have short lives, that often end violently and their religion is not homophobic at all, it has bigger fish to fry. It makes perfect sense that sexuality is fluid and being bi is not uncommon. Love is found where you can get it, before you meet your end at some darkspawn infested pit, some demon possessed mage or some violent raider / slaver / assassin's hands. 

Ummm... then why were there exclusively-heterosexual romances in Dragon Age Origins? 

If they were going to go the "Everyone in this alternate universe is bisexual" route, they should have started it off like that. There are straight characters in the universe of dragon age, therefore not everybody is bisexual. If all the LIs in Origins were also bisexual, it would have fit in with the lore and I may have not been complaining at all in the first place. 

If they want to do this, they need to go back and make Morrigan and Allistair available to both genders. 

[Rawgrim]

mousestalker wrote...

In real life, most of the people we are initially attracted to are unavailable. Of those that are available, a high percentage are crazy, on the rebound or otherwise damaged. Of the ones who are available and undamaged, a very high percentage turn out to be incompatible. Of the rather minute remainder, you have maybe a fifty fifty shot at things working out.

If a game were to reflect real life, none of us would play it.

Must be why alot of games try to be as realistic as possible, then.

[Merlex]

Emzamination wrote...

What's wrong with every character being bisexual? It gave everyone a chance to be with who they wanted to be with which was a big plus for those of us on console with no mods.

With the partial toolset, i may not have been possible to add romances for pc either.

[Renmiri1]

Rawgrim wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

When everyone is BI, it ends up removing the point of playing male or female. In DA2, you got treated exactly the same no matter what gender you are. And for characters just "turning gay" in order to suit players needs, was immensely immersion breaking. Wich race being removed, and gender having absolutely no affect on the game, the only thing left would be the class you pick. Nothing more.

Turning? They aren't vampires or werewolves or any other supernatural paranormal Being gay is a life choice not something you turn into.

Well if a guy is straight when you play a female, and gay when you start a new game playing a male...Its immersion breaking, and frankly it messes up replayability abit too. You get the exact same romance with a character no matter what gender you are playing. Meaning you pretty much get the exact same game as well. Gender won`t matter.

That is the idea. Gender doesn't matter.

And if you can't start a new game and go through the same plot with a different character, then is not the fact that LIs are bi that is breaking your immersion. It is you metagaming and being unable to separate one playthrough from another.