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[ThisIsZad]

Every character should have like their "own" sexual orientation...

[HiroVoid]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Is not like your hetero LI will give you "gay cooties" because someone else plays the same LI as F/F or M/M. Sheesh!

You haven't seen the new multiplayer implementations....

[Vandicus]

Having everyone be bisexual feels off. Having a character be gay (such as Juhani of KoToR) or bisexual (such as Zevran) is not jarring. Everyone being open to the main character feels jarring. Is Hawke just some awesome god of sex that can autoseduce whomever he wants?

[The Uncanny]

Rawgrim wrote...

The love icon told me. I see that one as a "vibe" in a way. Your character thinks he has a chance with he person, and can hit on the person as a result.

So there is a heart icon. You don't have to pick it. Maybe they'd tell you to get lost if you did. If you don't choose to click on it you'll never know.

And that is only half the LIs. How do you know, in-game, that the LIs of the opposite sex to your PC are bisexual?

[darfurnub]

strive wrote...

Morrigan is not exclusively heterosexual as she expresses jealousy at a Female warden/leliana romance during the Friendship talk unmodded.

I think she is more jealous that your Warden has found love/passion not the fact you hooked up with a hot redhead. She says the same thing to a male Warden who hooked up with Leliana. The only instance Morrigan makes a comment about sexual orientation is when she declines a threesome with Isabela that could be from preference or jealousy though.

Morrigan cannot be romanced by a female warden. She is a heterosexual love interest only. 

Allistair cannot be romanced by a male warden. He is exclusively heterosexual as a love interest. 

These cannot be argued. They are facts. Believe me, i wanted to romance Morrigan with a female warden. She reminds me a lot of my partner. But it could not be done. I think bisexuality could have potentially worked with her character, but it just didn't happen. 

[Rawgrim]

xxBabyMonkeyxx wrote...

I agree. I like how BioWare handled romances in ME3 and DAO. Why you ask? Well for one it goes against the character. Like Anders for example. He said (repeatedly) how he wanted a girl and hit on Velanna a couple of times in Awakening. "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lighting at fools." It also makes you feel awkward when you're straight and trying to do a playthrough as a guy or girl. No offense intended to anyone when I say that. Like when I was trying to do a playthrough as a guy a couple of days ago and Anders hit on my guy. I felt extremely awkward. Or playing through my FemHawke and Isabela tried to get me to sleep with her. I get the point behind it, but it completely defeats the purpose in playing through as a different gender. Make it like in DAO and ME3 where you have straight, bisexual, and gay/lesbian. Appeals to all audiences, no one feels awkward, and its true to the characters. Everyone is happy.

This.

If everyone is the same, it detracts from their characters. Making them more cardboard.

[Cartims]

Vandicus wrote...

Having everyone be bisexual feels off. Having a character be gay (such as Juhani of KoToR) or bisexual (such as Zevran) is not jarring. Everyone being open to the main character feels jarring. Is Hawke just some awesome god of sex that can autoseduce whomever he wants?

Errrrrr....it's a freaking game..get over it.

[Cartims]

Rawgrim wrote...

xxBabyMonkeyxx wrote...

I agree. I like how BioWare handled romances in ME3 and DAO. Why you ask? Well for one it goes against the character. Like Anders for example. He said (repeatedly) how he wanted a girl and hit on Velanna a couple of times in Awakening. "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lighting at fools." It also makes you feel awkward when you're straight and trying to do a playthrough as a guy or girl. No offense intended to anyone when I say that. Like when I was trying to do a playthrough as a guy a couple of days ago and Anders hit on my guy. I felt extremely awkward. Or playing through my FemHawke and Isabela tried to get me to sleep with her. I get the point behind it, but it completely defeats the purpose in playing through as a different gender. Make it like in DAO and ME3 where you have straight, bisexual, and gay/lesbian. Appeals to all audiences, no one feels awkward, and its true to the characters. Everyone is happy.

This.

If everyone is the same, it detracts from their characters. Making them more cardboard.

No they are not cardboard...they are PIXELES.

[Rawgrim]

The Uncanny wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

The love icon told me. I see that one as a "vibe" in a way. Your character thinks he has a chance with he person, and can hit on the person as a result.

So there is a heart icon. You don't have to pick it. Maybe they'd tell you to get lost if you did. If you don't choose to click on it you'll never know.

And that is only half the LIs. How do you know, in-game, that the LIs of the opposite sex to your PC are bisexual?

because everyone in Kirkwall, except Aveline aare bisexual. And as a straight man I wouldn`t stick my dick in a guy just to check if he is bi or not.

[darfurnub]

Vandicus wrote...

Having everyone be bisexual feels off. Having a character be gay (such as Juhani of KoToR) or bisexual (such as Zevran) is not jarring. Everyone being open to the main character feels jarring. Is Hawke just some awesome god of sex that can autoseduce whomever he wants?

This. 

[syllogi]

Rawgrim wrote...

Not really. Because when I see the romance icon in the dialogue, i know that if I chose that one, I will find out the character is "gay". Ergo it break immersion. I know by talking to them that they are bisexual, and it breaks immersion. Everyone I can possibly be romantically involved with is bisexual, just to cater to players, rather than having it as a character trait or something like that. With Zevran, for example, his bisexuality fit like a glove, and it added to his character. in DA2 they just seemed like "visual option for sex scene 1, 2, 3, and 4).

See...this is why I sigh at these threads.  Why does bisexuality fit Zevran like a glove?  How does it add to his character?  Bisexuality does not necessarily go hand in hand with promiscuity, being flirtatious, or being an assassin, if that's what you're referring to.  It simply means that he is capable of sexual attraction to anyone, and can fall in love with anyone.  Leliana also has this capability.  Does it fit her personality less, because she tends toward monogamy and more easily falls in love?

I wonder how people would feel about all the LIs being "openly" bisexual, in that the player would be able to talk to them about their sexuality and attraction.  Not that I'm asking for that, but I wonder if it would help some people understand that people of all personality types can feel sexual attraction to both genders.

[Rawgrim]

Vandicus wrote...

Having everyone be bisexual feels off. Having a character be gay (such as Juhani of KoToR) or bisexual (such as Zevran) is not jarring. Everyone being open to the main character feels jarring. Is Hawke just some awesome god of sex that can autoseduce whomever he wants?

Spot on.

[FumikoM]

The characters you could romance in DA2 was more pansexual then anything else. It was your personality they liked and then fell in love with, not your body. They did not care what you had between your legs.

It actually makes more sense if most of them are bi/pansexual, rather then straight or lesbian/gay. It's only humans who think this way since we think what exist now is "natural", while in nature a lot of animals are not straight or lesbian/gay, they are bisexual. Well okay, animals don't care for sexuality, they just have sex and reproduce...

[General User]

HiroVoid wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

What's wrong with every character being bisexual? It gave everyone a chance to be with who they wanted to be with which was a big plus for those of us on console with no mods.

Then get a PC.

.....JK.

I can see why someone may be against the position as a story point of view and that it may take someone out of the setting seeing it as unrealistic or player catering.  Gameplay-wise, all-bi cast means that people get more enjoyment out of romancing who they want.  Generally, I go with the gameplay-wise side since a game is meant to be enjoyed.

That's a good point.  The thing is, video games kinda walk a line between a story-telling medium and a fantasy fulfillment engine.  If you want your game to tell story, having characters who are whole and integral is a critical part of that.  And since making all LI's availible to both genders necessarily cheapens them, it's something to avoid.  On the other hand, if you're playing the video game to live out a fantasy then we have the dynamic you point out. 

So I think it really comes down to what you want to get out the game.

Modifié par General User, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:05 .

[TamiBx]

I agree with OP.
It would also be weird for certain characters with strong religious belief to be bi (like Templars)...

(and before anyone mentions Leliana: she was never raised in the chantry, so she does not count. She is a "new" to the whole religious thing lol)

[kaymarierose]

No, I'd prefer all be bisexual. Dragon Age 2 had the right idea. I'd like to be able to romance whoever I want without having to worry about gender. The game doesn't need those restrictions.

[darfurnub]

syllogi wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Not really. Because when I see the romance icon in the dialogue, i know that if I chose that one, I will find out the character is "gay". Ergo it break immersion. I know by talking to them that they are bisexual, and it breaks immersion. Everyone I can possibly be romantically involved with is bisexual, just to cater to players, rather than having it as a character trait or something like that. With Zevran, for example, his bisexuality fit like a glove, and it added to his character. in DA2 they just seemed like "visual option for sex scene 1, 2, 3, and 4).

See...this is why I sigh at these threads.  Why does bisexuality fit Zevran like a glove?  How does it add to his character?  Bisexuality does not necessarily go hand in hand with promiscuity, being flirtatious, or being an assassin, if that's what you're referring to.  It simply means that he is capable of sexual attraction to anyone, and can fall in love with anyone.  Leliana also has this capability.  Does it fit her personality less, because she tends toward monogamy and more easily falls in love?

I wonder how people would feel about all the LIs being "openly" bisexual, in that the player would be able to talk to them about their sexuality and attraction.  Not that I'm asking for that, but I wonder if it would help some people understand that people of all personality types can feel sexual attraction to both genders.

You are right that people of different personalities can be attracted to both genders, but not everybody is attracted to both genders. Nobody is saying that a feminine male character has to be gay. Why can't we have a strong warrior be a gay romance only? Why can't we have the girly girl be a lesbian only romance? Or the androgynous character be heterosexual? Nobody wants to stereotype characters, but there should be gay, lesbian, and heterosexual characters in addition to bisexual ones, regardless of how they present themselves. 

Zevran works as a bisexual character because his character just seems to be interested in all kinds of people. Leliana has her speech about loving all sorts of people. These are the things that make bisexual characters memorable and strong. 

In Mass Effect 3 when Traynor tells a male shepard that she is only attracted to women, this is characterization. Not every character should lay down and spread themselves open for all main characters. People have preferences, and realistic characters should be able to have preferences. This preference may be all genders, or one gender. 

[goofyomnivore]

Dragon Age seems to like the number four when it comes to romances. They're either going to have to add more romances (less dev time for other romances) or they're going to have be unfair to an orientation. I could see them adding six like Mass Effect 2, but the friendship paths really got hurt by doing that which would suck.

Or they could just keep it 'pc-sexual' to give more options to the player. I really like options. I don't want my hero to be left alone if the one female straight option is annoying to me while the lesbian is my dream girl.

Modifié par strive, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:05 .

[The Uncanny]

Rawgrim wrote...

because everyone in Kirkwall, except Aveline aare bisexual. And as a straight man *snip*.

I'm so glad we can have a civil discussion about these issues.

And everyone in Kirkwall is bisexual, huh?

Varric, Sister Petrice, Lady Elegant, Sebastian, Xenon, Leandra, the Arishok...

[Pelle6666]

Yep, it's important that the characters are solid enough to make romance work as it should. It was fun to have a bisexual elf in your party in DA:O but when everyone started hitting on you in DA2 it totally lost it's charm. Cortez in ME3 is a openly gay character, which is brilliant, that way we know that the option is there but you can't hook up with Garrus since he's strait.
Let the characters have their own sexuality instead of forcing the players preferences upon them!

[Most Definitely Sane]

The Uncanny wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

because everyone in Kirkwall, except Aveline aare bisexual. And as a straight man *snip*.

I'm so glad we can have a civil discussion about these issues.

And everyone in Kirkwall is bisexual, huh?

Varric, Sister Petrice, Lady Elegant, Sebastian, Xenon, Leandra, the Arishok...

Bodahn Feddic, Sandal, Gamlen, Viscount, Meredith, Orsino...

[Vandicus]

FumikoM wrote...

The characters you could romance in DA2 was more pansexual then anything else. It was your personality they liked and then fell in love with, not your body. They did not care what you had between your legs.

It actually makes more sense if most of them are bi/pansexual, rather then straight or lesbian/gay. It's only humans who think this way since we think what exist now is "natural", while in nature a lot of animals are not straight or lesbian/gay, they are bisexual. Well okay, animals don't care for sexuality, they just have sex and reproduce...

A. people can love each other without banging each other (surprising right?)
B. really /facepalm at what you said about straight/lesbian/gay/bisexual/pansexual people being a result of upbringing. Just wow. No, gay people were not raised to be gay. Trying to raise someone gay doesn't work(its been tried before after an unfortunate incident involving circumcision).
C. Animals can be straight/gay/bi/whatever. In general they are straight, much like how humans are generally straight. Its really just an evolution/carrying on the species thing.

[Rawgrim]

The Uncanny wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

because everyone in Kirkwall, except Aveline aare bisexual. And as a straight man *snip*.

I'm so glad we can have a civil discussion about these issues.

And everyone in Kirkwall is bisexual, huh?

Varric, Sister Petrice, Lady Elegant, Sebastian, Xenon, Leandra, the Arishok...

Ohh i was just being blunt\\sarastic. Wasn`t being uncivil.

And yes. If those characters were romance options, they would all be bisexual.

[xxBabyMonkeyxx]

TamiBx wrote...

I agree with OP.
It would also be weird for certain characters with strong religious belief to be bi (like Templars)...

(and before anyone mentions Leliana: she was never raised in the chantry, so she does not count. She is a "new" to the whole religious thing lol)

Exactly!! Just imagine Cullen going both ways. I can't see that going well...