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[syllogi]

TamiBx wrote...

I agree with OP.
It would also be weird for certain characters with strong religious belief to be bi (like Templars)...

(and before anyone mentions Leliana: she was never raised in the chantry, so she does not count. She is a "new" to the whole religious thing lol)

What?  Her mother was a devout Andrastian, and she was raised in Orlais, which is the seat of power for the Chantry.  She "fell off the path" as she got older and became a bard, but meeting Dorothea certainly wasn't her first time dealing with the Chantry.

Also consider that Dorothea (who later became the Divine) was revealed to be Marjolaine's lover too.  There is no proof that the Chantry looks down upon same sex relationships, according to the information we currently have.

[Andraste_Reborn]

It would also be weird for certain characters with strong religious belief to be bi (like Templars)...

There's no indication that the Chantry has any problems with gay people or bisexuals. They seem to be more worried about mages and demons than policing people's sexuality, anyway.

[EricHVela]

Meaningful relationships of friendship, rivalry and love versus cheap sexual fantasy fulfillment for every person out there?

I'll take the former. Go watch videos on the Internet for the latter.

[darfurnub]

DA3 should not be a fantasy dating game where your character can romance anybody. It should be a strong role playing game in which all characters have their own distinct identity, whether that be a bisexual, pansexual, gay, straight, polyamorous, asexual, queer, or other sexual identity. A character should be a unique person, not a love doll for anybody to have.

[The Uncanny]

Rawgrim wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

And everyone in Kirkwall is bisexual, huh?

Varric, Sister Petrice, Lady Elegant, Sebastian, Xenon, Leandra, the Arishok...

Ohh i was just being bluntsarastic. Wasn`t being uncivil.

And yes. If those characters were romance options, they would all be bisexual.

Sebastian is a romance option.

[Sylvanpyxie]

And yes. If those characters were romance options, they would all be bisexual.

You do realise Sebastian is on that list right?

[darfurnub]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Meaningful relationships of friendship, rivalry and love versus cheap sexual fantasy fulfillment for every person out there?

I'll take the former. Go watch videos on the Internet for the latter.

^

[Maria Caliban]

xxBabyMonkeyxx wrote...

TamiBx wrote...

I agree with OP.
It would also be weird for certain characters with strong religious belief to be bi (like Templars)...

(and before anyone mentions Leliana: she was never raised in the chantry, so she does not count. She is a "new" to the whole religious thing lol)

Exactly!! Just imagine Cullen going both ways. I can't see that going well...

Except the Chantry has nothing against same-gender romance. Leliana flat-out tells you the PC that love and sexual pleasure are gifts of the Maker and he wants all his children to be happy.

[Rawgrim]

I never used Sebastian. Didn`t need another archer + he arrived too late to the party.

[goofyomnivore]

Leliana flat-out tells you the PC that love and sexual pleasure are gifts of the Maker and he wants all his children to be happy.

I thought Zevran said that to Leliana when he was flirting with her. Either way I agree with your point that sexuality isn't restricted to straight just because your religious or grew up religious even in the Dragon Age universe.

Modifié par strive, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:13 .

[darfurnub]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

And yes. If those characters were romance options, they would all be bisexual.

You do realise Sebastian is on that list right?

You do realise that Sebastian 

a) doesn't come with the game
will not have a sexual relationship with any gendered hawke

We are talking about sexual identity, not romantic identity. Those are two separate things. Ex: An asexual individual can be hetero-romantic, ******-romantic, bi-romantic, et cetera. 

[Teddie Sage]

Suggestion: make all of them bisexual please. Thank you.

[Reaverwind]

darfurnub wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

Meaningful relationships of friendship, rivalry and love versus cheap sexual fantasy fulfillment for every person out there?

I'll take the former. Go watch videos on the Internet for the latter.

^

Ditto here.

[Blackrising]

And here we go again. I believe I made my stance on the matter quite clear on numerous occasions, but I like talking about this, so I'll do it again.
Companions being exclusively gay or straight is in fact more unrealistic than them being bisexual. Why? Because no one is.There is no black and white in sexuality, only shades of gray.

I may define myself as gay, but in reality it's more like 70/30.

Imagine you meet a person. That person is kind, funny and everything else you've ever wanted in a partner. And you fall in love with them.
That is what happens in DA 2. Gender simply doesn't matter, because the LI falls in love with the person Hawke and not his/her gender.

And if you look at the 'real world', you can see that the matter of 'sexuality' starts to blur more and more. With society becoming more accepting, people are less afraid to go after what they want.
So don't try to claim it's about realism.

Furthermore, shouldn't gay people who don't want to be forced to play as the other gender have as much of a choice as straight people? Everyday, whether it be TV shows or movies or books or games, I have straight romances shoved at me. I can't avoid them, even if I try. And I'm honestly sick of it. But I know I have to accept it, because even if it's not what I want, I have no intention of taking anything away from the people who do like it and can identify with it.
So why can't you?

/steps down from soapbox

Not to mention that if we had bisexual, straight and gay LIs, everyone would be unhappy. Because then there'd always be a character you can't have. And people always tend to want what they can't have.
And a problem shared is not a problem halved, at least not in this case.

[darfurnub]

Blackrising wrote...

And here we go again. I believe I made my stance on the matter quite clear on numerous occasions, but I like talking about this, so I'll do it again.
Companions being exclusively gay or straight is in fact more unrealistic than them being bisexual. Why? Because no one is.There is no black and white in sexuality, only shades of gray.

I may define myself as gay, but in reality it's more like 70/30.

Imagine you meet a person. That person is kind, funny and everything else you've ever wanted in a partner. And you fall in love with them.
That is what happens in DA 2. Gender simply doesn't matter, because the LI falls in love with the person Hawke and not his/her gender.

And if you look at the 'real world', you can see that the matter of 'sexuality' starts to blur more and more. With society becoming more accepting, people are less afraid to go after what they want.
So don't try to claim it's about realism.

Furthermore, shouldn't gay people who don't want to be forced to play as the other gender have as much of a choice as straight people? Everyday, whether it be TV shows or movies or books or games, I have straight romances shoved at me. I can't avoid them, even if I try. And I'm honestly sick of it. But I know I have to accept it, because even if it's not what I want, I have no intention of taking anything away from the people who do like it and can identify with it.
So why can't you?

/steps down from soapbox

Not to mention that if we had bisexual, straight and gay LIs, everyone would be unhappy. Because then there'd always be a character you can't have. And people always tend to want what they can't have.
And a problem shared is not a problem halved, at least not in this case.

Please don't try to speak for the entire lgbt community. Some of us do define as 100% gay or lesbian, and not in the gray area. 

[Rawgrim]

Blackrising wrote...

And here we go again. I believe I made my stance on the matter quite clear on numerous occasions, but I like talking about this, so I'll do it again.
Companions being exclusively gay or straight is in fact more unrealistic than them being bisexual. Why? Because no one is.There is no black and white in sexuality, only shades of gray.

I may define myself as gay, but in reality it's more like 70/30.

Imagine you meet a person. That person is kind, funny and everything else you've ever wanted in a partner. And you fall in love with them.
That is what happens in DA 2. Gender simply doesn't matter, because the LI falls in love with the person Hawke and not his/her gender.

And if you look at the 'real world', you can see that the matter of 'sexuality' starts to blur more and more. With society becoming more accepting, people are less afraid to go after what they want.
So don't try to claim it's about realism.

Furthermore, shouldn't gay people who don't want to be forced to play as the other gender have as much of a choice as straight people? Everyday, whether it be TV shows or movies or books or games, I have straight romances shoved at me. I can't avoid them, even if I try. And I'm honestly sick of it. But I know I have to accept it, because even if it's not what I want, I have no intention of taking anything away from the people who do like it and can identify with it.
So why can't you?

/steps down from soapbox

Not to mention that if we had bisexual, straight and gay LIs, everyone would be unhappy. Because then there'd always be a character you can't have. And people always tend to want what they can't have.
And a problem shared is not a problem halved, at least not in this case.

Society becoming more accepting of it, doesn`t mean more and more people are becoming bisexualls...

[goofyomnivore]

My problem with the companions being 'pc-sexual' 'hawke-sexual' whatever you want to call it, is the romances don't differ at all between gender. I'm not bisexual so I can't say with experience, but I imagine dating a man is a lot different from dating a women. There is going to be different issues, different conversation topics, etc. To me it is an issue between depth and options. Because the romances aren't very deep anyways I'm taking the options right now.

[Direwolf0294]

Okay, but only if there's an equal number of gay romances for men and lesbian romances for women as there are straight romances.

If there are two straight romances for men it means there has to be two straight romances for women, two gay romances for men and two lesbian romances for women.

If there are four straight romances for men it mean there has to be four straight romances for women, four gay romances for men and four lesbian romances for women.

If BioWare can't do that, then every companion should be playersexual. They can't bring out another game where there's one gay option and half a dozen straight options. It's just not right.

[Eternal Dust]

Oh boy. I do love how we try to impose the ideals of our contemporary society onto a fictional world and pixelated characters. This is exactly why I play video games in the first place. <_<

[darfurnub]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

Okay, but only if there's an equal number of gay romances for men and lesbian romances for women as there are straight romances.

If there are two straight romances for men it means there has to be two straight romances for women, two gay romances for men and two lesbian romances for women.

If there are four straight romances for men it mean there has to be four straight romances for women, four gay romances for men and four lesbian romances for women.

If BioWare can't do that, then every companion should be playersexual. They can't bring out another game where there's one gay option and half a dozen straight options. It's just not right.

Agreed. 

[Rawgrim]

Eternal Dust wrote...

Oh boy. I do love how we try to impose the ideals of our contemporary society onto a fictional world and pixelated characters. This is exactly why I play video games in the first place. <_<

i think if you actually read through the arguments, you will find its not about ideals at all. Its about game.immersion.

[Cartims]

[/quote]

"Society becoming more accepting of it, doesn`t mean more and more people are becoming bisexualls..."

[/quote]

We are what we are...just let us be who WE ARE...straight, gay. bisexual...that's why we have colors, who wants to live a life in black and white. Now...go play.....in color.

Modifié par Cartims, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:23 .

[whykikyouwhy]

darfurnub wrote...

DA3 should not be a fantasy dating game where your character can romance anybody. It should be a strong role playing game in which all characters have their own distinct identity, whether that be a bisexual, pansexual, gay, straight, polyamorous, asexual, queer, or other sexual identity. A character should be a unique person, not a love doll for anybody to have.

The DA games thus far have not been "dating games" where romance with anyone is at the player's back and call. From a mechanics perspective, a certain number of characters are alloted to be romance options. The whole of Thedas (and beyond) is not available.

Each LI is unique and is written to be their own person. While some may talk about past lovers, others will not disclose the details of their past. We make assumptions on aspects of their identity based on circumstantial evidence - conversation, and how they respond to the actions of the PC. But if we want to start making comparisons with reality, an individual's sexuality/sexual identity is not "established" to anyone outside of that individual until said individual says something to indicate how he/she perceives his/herself. Our tendency may be to label or categorize the characters based on who they are willing to romance, but that doesn't necessarily mean that those characters (if real flesh and blood individuals) would label themselves in the same manner.

While sexuality/sexual identity is indeed an aspect of the individual, how that individual draws from that single aspect and applies it, will vary. A person is a medley of many things, and sexuality may not always (if at all) be the dominant trait.

[Gilbert Salarian]

 

Blackrising wrote...

*snip*

 

Except the Kinsey scale runs 0-7 with either extreme being 100%homosexual/heterosexual. Proportionally, most people fall somewhere in the middle with few actually being 0 or 7, not to mention that women are more likely to have fluctuating sexuality than men, but I digress.

I really liked the Mass Effect 3 system: some straight, some bi, some gay. All the characters were well fleshed out, plus I didn't gain -50 rivalry for saying I'm not interested in getting in the sack with you.

Modifié par Gilbert Salarian, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:24 .

[Rawgrim]

[quote]Cartims wrote...

[/quote]

"Society becoming more accepting of it, doesn`t mean more and more people are becoming bisexualls..."

[/quote]

We are what we are...just let us be who WE ARE...straight, gay. bisexual...that's why we have colors, who want to live a life in black and white. Now...go play.

[/quote]

i agree. I was just pointing out a big flaw in the other posters logic.