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[Maria Caliban]

darfurnub wrote...

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

And yes. If those characters were romance options, they would all be bisexual.

You do realise Sebastian is on that list right?

You do realise that Sebastian 

a) doesn't come with the game
will not have a sexual relationship with any gendered hawke

We are talking about sexual identity, not romantic identity. Those are two separate things. Ex: An asexual individual can be hetero-romantic, ******-romantic, bi-romantic, et cetera. 

There's nothing to suggest that Sebastian is asexual. He talks about his previous sexual adventures.

[darfurnub]

goose2989 wrote...

MidKnight-Fury wrote...

I Agree it should be like the mass effect romances where there is a select few Gay/Bi/Lesbian romances our else the romance doesn't seem sincere

It makes no sense that every character is bisexual. Is everyone here on the BioWare forums bisexual? No! To make a character believable, he or she needs to have boundaries on what they will do. Each character should be able to say "no" to the player in certain situations; having a romantic relationship with any character with any player is just silly.

BioWare does understand this. While the four characters that shipped with DAII were available to either Hawke, you'll notice Sebastian isn't interested in a male Hawke. Why? Because it doesn't go along with that character. Following Mass Effect's lead in the romance category would be a wise move for DAIII. 

Well put.

[Blackrising]

nerdage wrote...

Frankly, I'd prefer they keep all the romances open for either gender and limit them by something that's actually interesting from a roleplaying perspective, like allegiance or morality.

Example:

NPC: "Sorry, I can't love someone who supports the templars."
They're questioning your values, maybe changing your perspective and influencing your decision making. Interesting stuff to RP with.

NPC: "Sorry, don't like guys."
"Well I'm glad we got that sorted... Let's move on, shall we?" I've learnt nothing about them, they've not made me think, and the story/experience has gained exactly nothing.

That would be pretty interesting to explore.
I thought it was weird how you could still romance Merrill even if you killed every damn mage you meet.

[darfurnub]

Maria Caliban wrote...

darfurnub wrote...

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

And yes. If those characters were romance options, they would all be bisexual.

You do realise Sebastian is on that list right?

You do realise that Sebastian 

a) doesn't come with the game
will not have a sexual relationship with any gendered hawke

We are talking about sexual identity, not romantic identity. Those are two separate things. Ex: An asexual individual can be hetero-romantic, ******-romantic, bi-romantic, et cetera. 

There's nothing to suggest that Sebastian is asexual. He talks about his previous sexual adventures.

I didn't say that Sebastian was asexual. I said that he won't have sex with hawke, then stated an example of romantic identity for asexual individuals. 

[Rawgrim]

BrotherWarth wrote...

More options is great, but the idea of Hawke being so darn sexy he/she can turn anyone bisexual? That always struck me as stupid. Anders was obviously only interested in the vag in Awakening, but then he meets Hawke and now he swings both ways?
Now, I'm bisexual but it wasn't some daring and dashing man who came along and made be enjoy penis.

Spot on!  For some unexplained reason, Hawke (because he is player controlled), can get into bed with anyone he wants. No matter what gender he\\she is, and no matter the sexuall prefferance of his romances.

[FumikoM]

Vandicus wrote...

FumikoM wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

FumikoM wrote...

The characters you could romance in DA2 was more pansexual then anything else. It was your personality they liked and then fell in love with, not your body. They did not care what you had between your legs.

It actually makes more sense if most of them are bi/pansexual, rather then straight or lesbian/gay. It's only humans who think this way since we think what exist now is "natural", while in nature a lot of animals are not straight or lesbian/gay, they are bisexual. Well okay, animals don't care for sexuality, they just have sex and reproduce...

A. people can love each other without banging each other (surprising right?)
B. really /facepalm at what you said about straight/lesbian/gay/bisexual/pansexual people being a result of upbringing. Just wow. No, gay people were not raised to be gay. Trying to raise someone gay doesn't work(its been tried before after an unfortunate incident involving circumcision).
C. Animals can be straight/gay/bi/whatever. In general they are straight, much like how humans are generally straight. Its really just an evolution/carrying on the species thing.

Learn to read. There is nothing about upbringing in my post. As a LGBTQ person myself your post is just insulting.The point is that what people see as "natural" is something nature does not give a damn about. And no, animals are not in general straight, animals don't think that way at all. It's humans who love to categorize. Like you do.

Nice of you to pull the "I am offended card." Seriously people these days. 

"
It actually makes more sense if most of them are bi/pansexual, rather then straight or lesbian/gay. It's only humans who think this way since we think what exist now is "natural", while in nature a lot of animals are not straight or lesbian/gay, they are bisexual. Well okay, animals don't care for sexuality, they just have sex and reproduce... "

Your statement here clearly assumes that sexual preference is cultural, aka learned. Its not.

I said insulting, not offending. I get back when you have learned to read my posts rather then assuming what I write.

[Blackrising]

BrotherWarth wrote...

More options is great, but the idea of Hawke being so darn sexy he/she can turn anyone bisexual? That always struck me as stupid. Anders was obviously only interested in the vag in Awakening, but then he meets Hawke and now he swings both ways?
Now, I'm bisexual but it wasn't some daring and dashing man who came along and made be enjoy penis.

Uhm, no.
Wasn't the whole point of his recruitment quest that you had to save his former male lover?
So Hakwe really wasn't the one who made him realize he likes guys.

[matiwariat]

Let them be bi unless there is a big reason for the character to be straight/gay. It does feel unrealistic for all your companions to be bi but in the end i feel like it is the better option. In a perfect world there would be a character for everyone with some being straight/gay/bi but we all know that in the end someone[possibly even us] would complain that this female companion isn't into my male pc etc. What needs to be changed is the ability to become friends without the other character coming onto you and then getting upset when you tell them that you don't swing that way.

[Emzamination]

goose2989 wrote...

MidKnight-Fury wrote...

I Agree it should be like the mass effect romances where there is a select few Gay/Bi/Lesbian romances our else the romance doesn't seem sincere

It makes no sense that every character is bisexual. Is everyone here on the BioWare forums bisexual? No! To make a character believable, he or she needs to have boundaries on what they will do. Each character should be able to say "no" to the player in certain situations; having a romantic relationship with any character with any player is just silly.

BioWare does understand this. While the four characters that shipped with DAII were available to either Hawke, you'll notice Sebastian isn't interested in a male Hawke. Why? Because it doesn't go along with that character. Following Mass Effect's lead in the romance category would be a wise move for DAIII. 

And why oh why must those boundaries be sexual preference? Why can't they be morals, factions or religion as another poster suggested?

Modifié par Emzamination, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:43 .

[Rawgrim]

Emzamination wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

MidKnight-Fury wrote...

I Agree it should be like the mass effect romances where there is a select few Gay/Bi/Lesbian romances our else the romance doesn't seem sincere

It makes no sense that every character is bisexual. Is everyone here on the BioWare forums bisexual? No! To make a character believable, he or she needs to have boundaries on what they will do. Each character should be able to say "no" to the player in certain situations; having a romantic relationship with any character with any player is just silly.

BioWare does understand this. While the four characters that shipped with DAII were available to either Hawke, you'll notice Sebastian isn't interested in a male Hawke. Why? Because it doesn't go along with that character. Following Mass Effect's lead in the romance category would be a wise move for DAIII. 

And why oh why must those boundaries be sexual preference? Why can't they be morals, factions or religion as another poster suggested?

The other boundaries are there allready. Friendship\\Rivalry points?

[darfurnub]

Emzamination wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

MidKnight-Fury wrote...

I Agree it should be like the mass effect romances where there is a select few Gay/Bi/Lesbian romances our else the romance doesn't seem sincere

It makes no sense that every character is bisexual. Is everyone here on the BioWare forums bisexual? No! To make a character believable, he or she needs to have boundaries on what they will do. Each character should be able to say "no" to the player in certain situations; having a romantic relationship with any character with any player is just silly.

BioWare does understand this. While the four characters that shipped with DAII were available to either Hawke, you'll notice Sebastian isn't interested in a male Hawke. Why? Because it doesn't go along with that character. Following Mass Effect's lead in the romance category would be a wise move for DAIII. 

And why oh why must those boundaries be sexual preference? Why can't they be morals, factions or religion as another poster suggested?

Why can't the boundaries be all of those things? There can be sexual preference and morality and that might make the romances more interesting actually. 

[Blackrising]

Rawgrim wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

More options is great, but the idea of Hawke being so darn sexy he/she can turn anyone bisexual? That always struck me as stupid. Anders was obviously only interested in the vag in Awakening, but then he meets Hawke and now he swings both ways?
Now, I'm bisexual but it wasn't some daring and dashing man who came along and made be enjoy penis.

Spot on!  For some unexplained reason, Hawke (because he is player controlled), can get into bed with anyone he wants. No matter what gender heshe is, and no matter the sexuall prefferance of his romances.

Really? Cause my Hawke sure as hell didn't manage to get Aveline/Meredith/Orsino into bed with her...

And it is not 'unexplained'. Hawke talks to her LI, she takes care of them. She is kind to them and is there for them when they need her. (I don't know anything about the rivalmances, so I don't know what happen in those.)
They grow closer over time and fall in love.
There is nothing illogical or 'unexplained' about that.

[Renmiri1]

Rawgrim wrote...


Ok. So if smurfs armed with laser rifles suddenly attack and conquer Orlais in DA3, it would be ok? Since its fiction. everything is ok.  Gravity is also a bellief (still just a theory actually) from our world. That means in DA nobody should assume it excists.


People being bisexual is not the issue. Its the fact that when all the love interests are bi, it breaks immersion.

If a heart shaped icon can break your immersion, I'm sorry but the problem lies with you and maybe you should campaign for a different icon, not for the removal of options for other people.

[Blackrising]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

More options is great, but the idea of Hawke being so darn sexy he/she can turn anyone bisexual? That always struck me as stupid. Anders was obviously only interested in the vag in Awakening, but then he meets Hawke and now he swings both ways?
Now, I'm bisexual but it wasn't some daring and dashing man who came along and made be enjoy penis.

Uhm, no.
Wasn't the whole point of his recruitment quest that you had to save his former male lover?
So Hakwe really wasn't the one who made him realize he likes guys.

Anders wasn't sexually involved with Karl iirc. He said he loved him and that's it.

Are you sure? Because as I remember it, he explicitely states to male!Hawke that he and Karl had a relationship.

[Emzamination]

Rawgrim wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

MidKnight-Fury wrote...

I Agree it should be like the mass effect romances where there is a select few Gay/Bi/Lesbian romances our else the romance doesn't seem sincere

It makes no sense that every character is bisexual. Is everyone here on the BioWare forums bisexual? No! To make a character believable, he or she needs to have boundaries on what they will do. Each character should be able to say "no" to the player in certain situations; having a romantic relationship with any character with any player is just silly.

BioWare does understand this. While the four characters that shipped with DAII were available to either Hawke, you'll notice Sebastian isn't interested in a male Hawke. Why? Because it doesn't go along with that character. Following Mass Effect's lead in the romance category would be a wise move for DAIII. 

And why oh why must those boundaries be sexual preference? Why can't they be morals, factions or religion as another poster suggested?

The other boundaries are there allready. FriendshipRivalry points?

So we're agreed the characters already have boundaries, making the quoted post moot. Excellent

[Rawgrim]

Blackrising wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

More options is great, but the idea of Hawke being so darn sexy he/she can turn anyone bisexual? That always struck me as stupid. Anders was obviously only interested in the vag in Awakening, but then he meets Hawke and now he swings both ways?
Now, I'm bisexual but it wasn't some daring and dashing man who came along and made be enjoy penis.

Spot on!  For some unexplained reason, Hawke (because he is player controlled), can get into bed with anyone he wants. No matter what gender heshe is, and no matter the sexuall prefferance of his romances.

Really? Cause my Hawke sure as hell didn't manage to get Aveline/Meredith/Orsino into bed with her...

And it is not 'unexplained'. Hawke talks to her LI, she takes care of them. She is kind to them and is there for them when they need her. (I don't know anything about the rivalmances, so I don't know what happen in those.)
They grow closer over time and fall in love.
There is nothing illogical or 'unexplained' about that.

they magically turn gay if you romance someone of your characters gender. They turn straight if you go the opposite road. Exact same romance, exact same cutscenes.The whole romance bit was simplified. Nothing deeper behind it at all. Its immersion breaking when things like this happen in games, deffinatly. The same way there was only 1 cave in the entire game.

[Biotic_Warlock]

FumikoM wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

FumikoM wrote...

Vandicus wrote...

FumikoM wrote...

The characters you could romance in DA2 was more pansexual then anything else. It was your personality they liked and then fell in love with, not your body. They did not care what you had between your legs.

It actually makes more sense if most of them are bi/pansexual, rather then straight or lesbian/gay. It's only humans who think this way since we think what exist now is "natural", while in nature a lot of animals are not straight or lesbian/gay, they are bisexual. Well okay, animals don't care for sexuality, they just have sex and reproduce...

A. people can love each other without banging each other (surprising right?)
B. really /facepalm at what you said about straight/lesbian/gay/bisexual/pansexual people being a result of upbringing. Just wow. No, gay people were not raised to be gay. Trying to raise someone gay doesn't work(its been tried before after an unfortunate incident involving circumcision).
C. Animals can be straight/gay/bi/whatever. In general they are straight, much like how humans are generally straight. Its really just an evolution/carrying on the species thing.

Learn to read. There is nothing about upbringing in my post. As a LGBTQ person myself your post is just insulting.The point is that what people see as "natural" is something nature does not give a damn about. And no, animals are not in general straight, animals don't think that way at all. It's humans who love to categorize. Like you do.

Nice of you to pull the "I am offended card." Seriously people these days. 

"
It actually makes more sense if most of them are bi/pansexual, rather then straight or lesbian/gay. It's only humans who think this way since we think what exist now is "natural", while in nature a lot of animals are not straight or lesbian/gay, they are bisexual. Well okay, animals don't care for sexuality, they just have sex and reproduce... "

Your statement here clearly assumes that sexual preference is cultural, aka learned. Its not.

I said insulting, not offending. I get back when you have learned to read my posts rather then assuming what I write.

Outermost: If you feel insulted you are being offended 

Innermost: Animals can be either straight or homosexual; it's based on different chemical reactions and attraction to different pheromones. I think you fail to understand how sexuality works. I am in no way interested in women, and i would not wish to have any relationship with a woman. I am attracted to men and that is my nature.
There is a lot you can say about Human perception of sexuality, and a lot of it is influenced by religion and tradition. It's just naive to think that being gay makes you bisexual, and that being bisexual is either just a phase or a result of inability to find a mater (or whatever crazy theories there are).

[Rawgrim]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...


Ok. So if smurfs armed with laser rifles suddenly attack and conquer Orlais in DA3, it would be ok? Since its fiction. everything is ok.  Gravity is also a bellief (still just a theory actually) from our world. That means in DA nobody should assume it excists.


People being bisexual is not the issue. Its the fact that when all the love interests are bi, it breaks immersion.

If a heart shaped icon can break your immersion, I'm sorry but the problem lies with you and maybe you should campaign for a different icon, not for the removal of options for other people.

And if a cook pours rat poison intoyour soup, you should just leave. Not get the cook fired because that could ruin future meals for others. Just pointing out what a poor argument that is.

[The Hierophant]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...


Ok. So if smurfs armed with laser rifles suddenly attack and conquer Orlais in DA3, it would be ok? Since its fiction. everything is ok.  Gravity is also a bellief (still just a theory actually) from our world. That means in DA nobody should assume it excists.


People being bisexual is not the issue. Its the fact that when all the love interests are bi, it breaks immersion.

If a heart shaped icon can break your immersion, I'm sorry but the problem lies with you and maybe you should campaign for a different icon, not for the removal of options for other people.

It's just to convenient to have the romanceable companions be comprised of nothing but bisexuals, and it hurts the immersion factor for people who are interested in definitive personalities in their companions.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:53 .

[Renmiri1]

Rawgrim wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...


Ok. So if smurfs armed with laser rifles suddenly attack and conquer Orlais in DA3, it would be ok? Since its fiction. everything is ok.  Gravity is also a bellief (still just a theory actually) from our world. That means in DA nobody should assume it excists.


People being bisexual is not the issue. Its the fact that when all the love interests are bi, it breaks immersion.

If a heart shaped icon can break your immersion, I'm sorry but the problem lies with you and maybe you should campaign for a different icon, not for the removal of options for other people.

And if a cook pours rat poison intoyour soup, you should just leave. Not get the cook fired because that could ruin future meals for others. Just pointing out what a poor argument that is.

You seriously comparing homosexuality to rat poison ? 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:52 .

[Emzamination]

darfurnub wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

goose2989 wrote...

MidKnight-Fury wrote...

I Agree it should be like the mass effect romances where there is a select few Gay/Bi/Lesbian romances our else the romance doesn't seem sincere

It makes no sense that every character is bisexual. Is everyone here on the BioWare forums bisexual? No! To make a character believable, he or she needs to have boundaries on what they will do. Each character should be able to say "no" to the player in certain situations; having a romantic relationship with any character with any player is just silly.

BioWare does understand this. While the four characters that shipped with DAII were available to either Hawke, you'll notice Sebastian isn't interested in a male Hawke. Why? Because it doesn't go along with that character. Following Mass Effect's lead in the romance category would be a wise move for DAIII. 

And why oh why must those boundaries be sexual preference? Why can't they be morals, factions or religion as another poster suggested?

Why can't the boundaries be all of those things? There can be sexual preference and morality and that might make the romances more interesting actually. 

Morals, factions and religion are boundaries and restrictions that can be traversed by all equally.What sex a person prefers is just not an issue.As blackrising said before, there are many people coming out who have thought about being with the same sex for years yet hid it.Just because a LI is with you doesn't mean their mind won't wander.

[Rawgrim]

The Hierophant wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...


Ok. So if smurfs armed with laser rifles suddenly attack and conquer Orlais in DA3, it would be ok? Since its fiction. everything is ok.  Gravity is also a bellief (still just a theory actually) from our world. That means in DA nobody should assume it excists.


People being bisexual is not the issue. Its the fact that when all the love interests are bi, it breaks immersion.

If a heart shaped icon can break your immersion, I'm sorry but the problem lies with you and maybe you should campaign for a different icon, not for the removal of options for other people.

It's just to convenient to have a party comprised of nothing but bisexuals, and hurts the immersion factor for people who are interested in definitive personalities in their companions.

Exactly. thank you.

[Blackrising]

Rawgrim wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

More options is great, but the idea of Hawke being so darn sexy he/she can turn anyone bisexual? That always struck me as stupid. Anders was obviously only interested in the vag in Awakening, but then he meets Hawke and now he swings both ways?
Now, I'm bisexual but it wasn't some daring and dashing man who came along and made be enjoy penis.

Spot on!  For some unexplained reason, Hawke (because he is player controlled), can get into bed with anyone he wants. No matter what gender heshe is, and no matter the sexuall prefferance of his romances.

Really? Cause my Hawke sure as hell didn't manage to get Aveline/Meredith/Orsino into bed with her...

And it is not 'unexplained'. Hawke talks to her LI, she takes care of them. She is kind to them and is there for them when they need her. (I don't know anything about the rivalmances, so I don't know what happen in those.)
They grow closer over time and fall in love.
There is nothing illogical or 'unexplained' about that.

they magically turn gay if you romance someone of your characters gender. They turn straight if you go the opposite road. Exact same romance, exact same cutscenes.The whole romance bit was simplified. Nothing deeper behind it at all. Its immersion breaking when things like this happen in games, deffinatly. The same way there was only 1 cave in the entire game.

Sounds to me like you just have a problem with keeping your playthroughs seperate.

[Rawgrim]

Blackrising wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

More options is great, but the idea of Hawke being so darn sexy he/she can turn anyone bisexual? That always struck me as stupid. Anders was obviously only interested in the vag in Awakening, but then he meets Hawke and now he swings both ways?
Now, I'm bisexual but it wasn't some daring and dashing man who came along and made be enjoy penis.

Spot on!  For some unexplained reason, Hawke (because he is player controlled), can get into bed with anyone he wants. No matter what gender heshe is, and no matter the sexuall prefferance of his romances.

Really? Cause my Hawke sure as hell didn't manage to get Aveline/Meredith/Orsino into bed with her...

And it is not 'unexplained'. Hawke talks to her LI, she takes care of them. She is kind to them and is there for them when they need her. (I don't know anything about the rivalmances, so I don't know what happen in those.)
They grow closer over time and fall in love.
There is nothing illogical or 'unexplained' about that.

they magically turn gay if you romance someone of your characters gender. They turn straight if you go the opposite road. Exact same romance, exact same cutscenes.The whole romance bit was simplified. Nothing deeper behind it at all. Its immersion breaking when things like this happen in games, deffinatly. The same way there was only 1 cave in the entire game.

Sounds to me like you just have a problem with keeping your playthroughs seperate.

Or it could be I am being constantly reminded by the heart shaped icons in the dialogue wheel...