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@Mercannis

Dude, just stop. Resident Evil 4 is one of the greatest games ever made and no amount of hipsters are gonna change that.

That said, I think I'm done with the franchise until they do a reboot back to the horror roots.


I'm inclined to hate RE4 now simply because you say dumb crap like this.


Glad to hear it.

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Well, I've been playing this game for a few hours now, and I've got a few things I want to say... and none of it is good.

It's not about the game though, believe it or not. It's actually more about how laughably over-the-top, and in some cases flat out wrong, the reactions this game is getting are.

Right now, I'm getting into Leon's campaign pretty good... and it is very enjoyable. But as I play it, I'm trying to figure out how anyone could possibly come to the conclusion that the game is all action and has nothing in common with the older RE games. It's been baffling me, because I find myself getting some serious deja vu as I travel through this dark, ominous college campus that teems with the undead. The atmosphere very much hearkens back to the first three Resident Evil games - Capcom made good on their word, I'm afraid.

I'm playing on Veteran difficulty, which is the second hardest as far as I am aware (unless another difficulty can be unlocked later). In the demo, zombies were rather easily dispatched via overpowered melee attacks. In Veteran difficulty, I'm afraid this is not quite the case - zombies are considerably more resilient to melee attacks and you will find yourself using your gun and melee in tandem during most encounters (just like in... gasp... RE4 and RE5). It's wise to manage how many bullets you expend, because there are a lot of zombies in some parts and ammo is not as plentiful as it first would seem. Running may be a more feasible option in some cases. Zombies are also capable of inflicting significant damage, and herbs and First Aid Sprays are best used sparingly.

Does any of that sound familiar? I would hope so - but apparently the game has nothing in common with the old RE games and is nothing but a cheap COD clone with crappy controls. RESIDENT EVIL IS DEAD!!11!1!!11!

Which brings me to my next point: the controls. I think this is the thing baffling me the most - the controls are simple and very easy to use. Child's play, really. But somehow, people find the controls extremely "clunky", and even claim they're worse than the previous RE games. I have to wonder if these people have even played this game at all and bothered to learn the controls (which takes maybe five minutes to do), have ever played any of the previous RE games, and/or they're simply very bad at playing video games altogether.

Really, I'm stunned. I mean, at least some of the reaction to ME3 was justified... but this? This is just downright preposterous. 4.5/10? 1.3 user rating on Metacritic? "Worst RE game EVAR"?

Really?!

I'm sorry I have to bust your chops, people, but I think you are overreacting... badly. This game isn't even half as bad as people are making it out to be. This same nonsense happened with RE5, and I suspect most of the people s***ting on this game were the same people who called RE5 the WORST RE GAME EVAR!!!1!111!!! They made up their minds that the game would suck long ago, and now that it's out the gloves can come off (and very much have if the ludicrous scores on Metacritic are any indication).

Now this game isn't perfect - the game does have some pretty bombastic action sequences (especially the opening one), it tosses QTE sequences at you too frequently, parts of the story are really cheesy, and some of the background textures are just downright ugly. But that's not enough to make the hate the game, or give it a 4.5/10 (I think that score is just ridiculous).

So there you have it. Feel free to tear me apart for not going along with the crowd - it is no matter. I'll be playing this game, and I will be enjoying it. That's what matters.

Modifié par greengoron89, 02 octobre 2012 - 09:51 .


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INB4 "hey you're just a blind fanboy"

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Shoeshinism wrote...

Whate have they done to Resident Evil


Makin' a movie? o0


still trve xD

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@Green - When all is said and done, the only opinion that should matter (to you) is your own. It sounds like you went into this with an open mind. Bravo.

Despite all the bad poo, I'm still looking forward to trying this out.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 02 octobre 2012 - 09:49 .


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greengoron89 wrote...

Well, I've been playing this game for a few hours now, and I've got a few things I want to say... and none of it is good.

It's not about the game though, believe it or not. It's actually more about how laughably over-the-top, and in some cases flat out wrong, the reactions this game is getting are.

Right now, I'm getting into Leon's campaign pretty good... and it is very enjoyable. But as I play it, I'm trying to figure out how anyone could possibly come to the conclusion that the game is all action and has nothing in common with the older RE games. It's been baffling me, because I find myself getting some serious deja vu as I travel through this dark, ominous college campus that teems with the undead. The atmosphere very much hearkens back to the first three Resident Evil games - Capcom made good on their word, I'm afraid.

I'm playing on Veteran difficulty, which is the second hardest as far as I am aware (unless another difficulty can be unlocked later). In the demo, zombies were rather easily dispatched via overpowered melee attacks. In Veteran difficulty, I'm afraid this is not quite the case - zombies are considerably more resilient to melee attacks and you will find yourself using your gun and melee in tandem during most encounters (just like in... gasp... RE4 and RE5). It's wise to manage how many bullets you expend, because there are a lot of zombies in some parts and ammo is not as plentiful as it first would seem. Running may be a more feasible option in some cases. Zombies are also capable of inflicting significant damage, and herbs and First Aid Sprays are best used sparingly.

Does any of that sound familiar? I would hope so - but apparently the game has nothing in common with the old RE games and is nothing but a cheap COD clone with crappy controls. RESIDENT EVIL IS DEAD!!11!1!!11!

Which brings me to my next point: the controls. I think this is the thing baffling me the most - the controls are simple and very easy to use. Child's play, really. But somehow, people find the controls extremely "clunky", and even claim they're worse than the previous RE games. I have to wonder if these people have even played this game at all and bothered to learn the controls (which takes maybe five minutes to do), have ever played any of the previous RE games, and/or they're simply very bad at playing video games altogether.

Really, I'm stunned. I mean, at least some of the reaction to ME3 was justified... but this? This is just downright preposterous. 4.5/10? 1.3 user rating on Metacritic? "Worst RE game EVAR"?

Really?!

I'm sorry I have to bust your chops, people, but I think you are overreacting... badly. This game isn't even half as bad as people are making it out to be. This same nonsense happened with RE5, and I suspect most of the people s***ting on this game were the same people who called RE5 the WORST RE GAME EVAR!!!1!111!!! They made up their minds that the game would suck long ago, and now that it's out the gloves can come off (and very much have if the ludicrous scores on Metacritic are any indication).

Now this game isn't perfect - the game does have some pretty bombastic action sequences (especially the opening one), it tosses QTE sequences at you a bit too frequently, parts of the story are really cheesy, and some of the background textures are just downright ugly. But that's not enough to make the hate the game, or give it a 4.5/10 (I think that score is just ridiculous).

So there you have it. Feel free to tear me apart for not going along with the crowd - it is no matter. I'll be playing this game, and I will be enjoying it. That's what matters.

If you had to score it, what would you give it?

And for the Record, Resident Evil Gaiden is the worst RE Game EVAR, that or Outbreak.

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greengoron89 wrote...
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Would you say it's better than Resident Evil 4?

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@brett - Right now, I would give it a... say... 7.5/10 is accurate - that could change as I work my way further through the game, but as long as it remains entertaining I think it will stay within that range

@legion - I need to get further into the game before I can say for sure, but so far I am very much enjoying Leon's campaign. It combines much of the gameplay from RE4 with the atmosphere from the first three RE games. It is not completely faithful, but it does capture some of the spirit - I would hope old school RE fans (like myself) can see and appreciate it.

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I never pick on anybody who enjoys a game, but user reviews only solidify how horrendous the demo was for me.

Absolutely no buy for me, at least until its in a used bargain bin for less then $5.

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7.5? So good, but not amazing then? That explains a lot.

It bears remembering how Game Reviews work in people's minds nowadays; 8 and up is good, anything below is complete and utter ****. That why AAA titles will never get anything below for the most part. Hell, IGN gave the game a 7.9, and they TRASHED IT in the review.

Tis' the way it works.

I'm definitely not repulsed anymore, now that I know it was just melodrama.

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That is why the 10 point scoring system is a joke.
Anything lower than 8 is considered crap...
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brettc893 wrote...

And for the Record, Resident Evil Gaiden is the worst RE Game EVAR, that or Outbreak.


I loved Outbreak, both 1 and 2.

My least favorite game in the series is Revelations - mostly due to the fact I was too cheap to spring for the extra analog stick add-on for the 3ds.

That's the thing - everyone's different. For me, personally, I didn't enjoy the demo of RE6. That said, these people giving it a 1 or 0 on metacritic are overreacting. A 1 or a 0 would, for me, represent a game that's completely unplayable, not because it has strayed from its roots.

RE6 is not completely unplayable. People may not enjoy it, but it's not a 0. Come on.

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Look, let's not kid ourselves people: the Resident Evil games were never all that good. The controls were always a clunky mess, the fixed camera in the earlier games was a pain in the ass, and the voice acting, storyline, and script were always absolute cheese (the sole exception to that being REmake). The series managed to shed some of that as time went on, but these elements were always there in some capacity.

RE6 is no different. It is a lot of fun to play, but it is hardly a masterpiece. The controls at least are more intuitive than RE4 and 5 (despite what some would have you believe) and some of the atmosphere from RE1, 2, and 3 is back (in Leon's campaign at least). It's worth a look if you're a RE fan and/or liked RE4 and 5, and maybe worth renting or buying used for anyone else.

If anyone else tells you it's an absolute piece of crap and the WORST GAME EVAR, take what they say with a massive grain of salt. Really. They're either full of s*** or trolling... or both.

Also, I just got my ass handed to me by a mob of zombies. Good luck with your roundhouse kicks and pile drivers if you do decide to play it... they'll only get you so far. x_x

Modifié par greengoron89, 02 octobre 2012 - 10:32 .


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greengoron89 wrote...

Look, let's not kid ourselves people: the Resident Evil games were never all that good.

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But seriously, you have a point.

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I am going to give you one important warning about this game: QTEs are in it and there is no shortage of them. The opening of the game is essentially one big over-the-top QTE sequence, and there are other much smaller QTEs interspersed throughout. It is annoying, but it's... forgivable since most only last a few seconds and have you press maybe a few buttons to end them. Others might find them more or less annoying - it depends on your stance on QTEs in general, really.

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I've got a few other questions actually now that I'm interested;

How are the Inventory/Weapon Systems and How Different Are The Campaigns? I mean, they CLAIM to be different, but are they really, or is it a "Same ****, Different Wrapper" type deal?

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Taking Druss99's, and greengoron89's posts into consideration i'll queue this game then.

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I have not touched the full version of Chris's or Jake's campaigns, but based on the demo Chris's is pretty much action and shootouts galore a la RE5, except on a grander scale. Jake's campaign is much less bombastic but still is action focused - however, Jake plays very much like Wesker did in RE4 and RE5 Mercenaries mode. Because of that, I like to think of it as an extended game of Mercenaries. You may or may not like it - I think it's decent, but it's my least favorite campaign going by what I did play of it at least.

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@ Greengoron: So if we don't agree with you we are trolling or full of sh*t? Well f*ck yeah, that's all I needed to hear, I'll just go and buy it then. Oh no, wait, I was going to buy it but then I played the demo and it was awful. A terrible game that I didn't enjoy at all. From what I played, 4.5/10 was being generous.

I'm glad you're enjoying it and all, but you can't dismiss everyone who doesn't agree with you as a troll or full of sh*t. There's a reason reviews and metacritic scores are low and it's not because everyone is trolling you.

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@ Greengoron: So if we don't agree with you we are trolling or full of sh*t? Well f*ck yeah, that's all I needed to hear, I'll just go and buy it then. Oh no, wait, I was going to buy it but then I played the demo and it was awful. A terrible game that I didn't enjoy at all. From what I played, 4.5/10 was being generous.

I'm glad you're enjoying it and all, but you can't dismiss everyone who doesn't agree with you as a troll or full of sh*t. There's a reason reviews and metacritic scores are low and it's not because everyone is trolling you.


Caaaaalm down, that's not what he said.

And I'd say that the Demo isn't indicitive of the full package.

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I think you're overreacting. Big time. So are most of those dunces on Metacritic, although I suspect they actually are trolls - most are just partaking in a Metacritic bombing and probably haven't even played the game, except maybe the demo.

Truth is, most people had their minds made up about this game long before it came out. I've seen people s***ting on this game ever since the details about it first emerged, saying the RE series was "dead" because of RE5 and that RE6 had no chance.

Well, they're right - RE6 had no chance. Not against the overwhelming negativity about it since long before it was released, and the mass hysteria this game has spawned thanks to all of the hyperbolic garbage people are spewing about it. It shows gamers can't be trusted any more than critics to accurately review anything.

I have given my opinion of the game - I think it's far more tempered and closer to how things actually are, but I'm not forcing anyone to listen to me. Play the game. Or don't. It makes no difference to me. I just wish the absolutely preposterous hate this game is getting would cease, as it is not warranted in the slightest.

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brettc893 wrote...

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@ Greengoron: So if we don't agree with you we are trolling or full of sh*t? Well f*ck yeah, that's all I needed to hear, I'll just go and buy it then. Oh no, wait, I was going to buy it but then I played the demo and it was awful. A terrible game that I didn't enjoy at all. From what I played, 4.5/10 was being generous.

I'm glad you're enjoying it and all, but you can't dismiss everyone who doesn't agree with you as a troll or full of sh*t. There's a reason reviews and metacritic scores are low and it's not because everyone is trolling you.


Caaaaalm down, that's not what he said.

And I'd say that the Demo isn't indicitive of the full package.


I know, I overreacted a bit. But I found the game to be that bad that if someone told me it was the worst game they ever played then I'd say fair enough, it's not the worst game I've personally ever played but the demo was the worst I've played in the last few years. You can't just dismiss that as "full of sh*t or trolling" because you're enjoying it, especially with the way reviews are going.

If the demo isn't indicative then what's the point of a demo?

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To garner feed back for the most part.

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I think you're overreacting. Big time. So are most of those dunces on Metacritic, although I suspect they actually are trolls - most are just partaking in a Metacritic bombing and probably haven't even played the game, except maybe the demo.

Truth is, most people had their minds made up about this game long before it came out. I've seen people s***ting on this game ever since the details about it first emerged, saying the RE series was "dead" because of RE5 and that RE6 had no chance.

Well, they're right - RE6 had no chance. Not against the overwhelming negativity about it since long before it was released, and the mass hysteria this game has spawned thanks to all of the hyperbolic garbage people are spewing about it. It shows gamers can't be trusted any more than critics to accurately review anything.

I have given my opinion of the game - I think it's far more tempered and closer to how things actually are, but I'm not forcing anyone to listen to me. Play the game. Or don't. It makes no difference to me. I just wish the absolutely preposterous hate this game is getting would cease, as it is not warranted in the slightest.


I don't know about everyone else, I can only speak for myself. I thought RE5 was alright, I didn't think it was a great RE game, forced partner annoyed me and some other things that I can't actually remember annoyed me. But in general I thought it was alright. I was excited for RE6, especially when they started talking about a return to surival horror. Yes, I prefer the old ones(I attempted to play REmake the other day and died on the second zombie :blink:) but I could appreciate RE5 and was hoping RE6 would be more like the earlier ones. Then they started talking about the COD crowd and co-op for all three campaigns, that worried me a bit but it's still RE so I'll probably still buy it, I was waiting though incase of Capcom DLC madness. It didn't look great but I was still planning on buying it, if they weren't up to anything shady.

Then I played the demo, I utterly hated it. For about 5 minutes of Leon's campaign I thought ok once I get used to it and things get going it will be fine. But the longer it went on the more I hated it, I'm not even going to go into Chris or Jake's, I thought they were horrible broken messes that didn't feel like finished games. I can see why someone would say it's the worst game ever, I can see why people are overreacting, I can fully understand the low scores. I know full well it's not the worst game ever, but I still think it's bloody awful.

What really gets to me about all this though, is at a time when I'm slowly being driven away from gaming with practices of companies like EA and a lack of funds on my part, this is supposed to be a AAA game, this is one of the years biggest releases and it's so shoddy and half assed. Is this really the future? Is it going to sell millions and lower the bar again? I can honestly see this being the point where I look back and think that's where gaming ended for me. Is it overreacting to one game? Probably, but it's a whole series of things for me that have built up to this.

I didn't mean to have a go at you, you're welcome to your opinion and as I said I'm glad you're enjoying it. I don't know everyone else's reasons for hating on this game. But I genuinely found it to be awful and not because I hated RE5.

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My friend, rest assured that there is a bit of old mixed in with the new. If you don't play through Leon's campaign and find yourself feeling like you've been to Tall Oaks before, I will be genuinely surprised. Leon says early in the campaign "It's like Raccoon all over again", and he's not lying. Traveling through Tall Oaks trying not to get torn apart by the undead and probably many other monstrosities I haven't even encountered yet recalls RE3 in particular - and I'm not even done yet.

And I'm telling everyone... play it on Veteran. If you want to worry about conserving ammo and health and doing your damndest not to get bitten by zombies like the Resident Evils of old, Veteran (and I imagine Professional as well) is your friend. Never walk near bodies laying on the floor, keep on your toes in the darkness, and be prepared for anything, any time. And damn sure don't try and blast your way through zombies... or pure melee them either. Use a combination of both or you're dead meat.

It's good. I think it combines the best of the first three REs with the best of RE4. Don't be fooled by the action sequences or QTEs - the "survival horror" element is there, just in a slightly different form.

Modifié par greengoron89, 03 octobre 2012 - 12:02 .