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[Caratinoid]

I'm against any so called "balance changes" on piranha or carnifex. Primarily because of this:

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Nerfing light weight weapons only trully hurts classes that rely heavily on cooldowns, and since powers aren't as damaging as weapons, they'll only be left further behind.

[whateverman7]

voted no for both...the guns are fine....they arent overpowered, hell they arent even the best weapons in said classes....they only getting nerfed cause they popular, whch is wrong...

[Eric Fagnan]

I've posted a preview of the changes we're thinking about here.

[JustinSonic]

 I did not see this topic earlier. Thanks for making it!

I voted on both polls, they both don't need to be nerfed!

[msantos]

@ Bioware:

Like many here, I have played MP regularly since the demo. Please check your logs and take what I say next as a friendly clue:

• Please DO NOT nerf the Piranha and the Carnifex. Instead, do something about the classes that unfairly benefit from these weapons the most (i.e: Piranha on the GI, Destroyer, etc).
  
• Please buff other shotguns (Disciple) and pistols a bit more so that these are not the ones most folks flock to. Although the Locust buff was incredibly late it was also much needed and appreciated. Please build on this trend and not the other way around.
  
• Nerfing these guns even more will not earn favors with me and most of the friends on my list. Please choose wisely.

Modifié par msantos, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:30 .

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

I've posted a preview of the changes we're thinking about here.

Seems reasonable.

[DHKany]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

I've posted a preview of the changes we're thinking about here.

/agreed.


The nerfs are not too bad actually. 

[Clivemax69]

Those actually seem quite reasonable. I would perfectly fine with those balance changes.

Edit: Accidently quoted the wrong person. In response to Eric Fagnan.

Modifié par Clivemax69, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:55 .

[Shpoon]

Clip size reduction in the Piranha makes sense.

[capn233]

The OPistols have been overpowered a bit since launch actually. The Paladin more-so which is why they gave it the weird capacity nerf.

Piranha is also overpowered relative to most shotguns in the game. If you don't realize this, I can't help you because you don't understand balance.

Both of these weapons only need some slight tweaks. It would also be nice if they would take care of some of the "woeful" weapons while they are at it.

[RedJohn]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

I've posted a preview of the changes we're thinking about here.

That is not bad in my humble opinion, actually seems fair.:happy:


I'm wondering if devs were planning to change more things and when they saw the comunity's reaction they changed the balancing.

[capn233]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

No, no it's not.

Claymore has a longer effective range.
Reegar does higher DPS in CQC
GPS is better overall, hits multiple targets and has an innate stagger, also is basically a sniper. (Only downside is host-dependency) 
Graal, see GPS, minus innate stagger/multiple-target-hitting
Wraith has a longer effective range 

If you think the Piranha genuinely and objectively outclasses most shotguns in the game, you need to L2play and YOU don't understand balance.

Your list is laughable.

Claymore is great with reload canceling, but does not out DPS the Piranha.  And Claymore weighs more as in twice as much.

Reegar has crap range, even worse effective range than the Piranha.

"GPS is better overall..." There's proof, the gun that many considered one of the most overpowered weapons originally.  In reality if you are off host the tracking doesn't work and this gun only marginally beats DPS of the Piranha sustained and loses to single clip.  What it does have is a higher stagger chance.  Good against Phantoms I suppose.  But the Piranha is markedly lighter (0.9 vs 1.4 at X).

Graal is excellent for headshotting across the map.  It is way behind Piranha in DPS (as in half the DPS) and has identical weight to the GPS, which is a lot more than Piranha.

Wraith is an ultra rare with a 2 shot clip that is vastly inferior in the DPS department.

Maybe you should learn what you are talking about before you post instead of spouting off "learn to play" crap.

Modifié par capn233, 19 septembre 2012 - 06:18 .

[EmericaJosh]

These nerfs aren't bad. But clearly aren't needed and I'm still against any nerfing of these guns at this point. Stop nerfing what's popular BW.

Modifié par EmericaJosh, 19 septembre 2012 - 06:20 .

[EmericaJosh]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

capn233 wrote...

The OPistols have been overpowered a bit since launch actually. The Paladin more-so which is why they gave it the weird capacity nerf.

Piranha is also overpowered relative to most shotguns in the game. If you don't realize this, I can't help you because you don't understand balance.

Both of these weapons only need some slight tweaks. It would also be nice if they would take care of some of the "woeful" weapons while they are at it.

No, no it's not.

Claymore has a longer effective range.
Reegar does higher DPS in CQC
GPS is better overall, hits multiple targets and has an innate stagger, also is basically a sniper. (Only downside is host-dependency) 
Graal, see GPS, minus innate stagger/multiple-target-hitting
Wraith has a longer effective range 

If you think the Piranha genuinely and objectively outclasses most shotguns in the game, you need to L2play and YOU don't understand balance.

I agree with this 100%.

[Lord Rosario]

RedJohn wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

I've posted a preview of the changes we're thinking about here.

That is not bad in my humble opinion, actually seems fair.:happy:


I'm wondering if devs were planning to change more things and when they saw the comunity's reaction they changed the balancing.

Carnifex X will weigh as much as a Paladin X. That is not cool in my opinion..

[DeathScepter]

msantos wrote...

@ Bioware:

Like many here, I have played MP regularly since the demo. Please check your logs and take what I say next as a friendly clue:

• Please DO NOT nerf the Piranha and the Carnifex. Instead, do something about the classes that unfairly benefit from these weapons the most (i.e: Piranha on the GI, Destroyer, etc).
  
• Please buff other shotguns (Disciple) and pistols a bit more so that these are not the ones most folks flock to. Although the Locust buff was incredibly late it was also much needed and appreciated. Please build on this trend and not the other way around.
  
• Nerfing these guns even more will not earn favors with me and most of the friends on my list. Please choose wisely.

[*]Agreed[*]And the Piranha needs to live to its namesake, Piranha.

[stinekandts]

why is redjohn posting still if he is not playing?

[Josh.de]

Vote poll people.

BW don´t touch the carnifex.

[Kogia]

I still think buffing the many weapons that are very substandard would be a better way to approach this.

Buffing creates choice and variety and makes people happy, nerfing always angers some, if not many and only creates variety by reducing choice.

Modifié par Kogia, 19 septembre 2012 - 07:17 .

[OMDB]

EmericaJosh wrote...

These nerfs aren't bad. But clearly aren't needed and I'm still against any nerfing of these guns at this point. Stop nerfing what's popular BW.

This

[Kyerea]

These nerfs are entirely character-centric.

Just because one weapon performs well on two characters that are weapon-based does mean they are inherently OP. Piranhas are not efficient on most characters in the game; I feel these balances are being forced upon us due to the weapon's efficiency of use on Destroyers and Geth Hunters.

[DeathScepter]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

I've posted a preview of the changes we're thinking about here.

Personally I do think that Piranha and the Canifex are excellent as they are. I don't mind some Enemy buffs.


One of these days, I would love to see more Humorous A.I. actions. Just because it would be funny.

[silencekills]

 I was looking for the "do not use" option, but there wasn't one.

So I just didn't answer =C