Having never used the Pirahna, I can support RedJohn %100.
I am RedJohn and I am against the Pirahna nerf. [POLL]
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#152
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 09:02
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przemko877 wrote...
Stop panicking, even if they nerf your precious Piranha into nothingness they'll probably buff it one way or another after some time. The guns that were previously nerfed (Falcon, Krysae) are still 100% usable on most characters. People just overreact about it. Personally I'm curious how they want to nerf it. Carnifex too.
In the time it took me to write this reply, the Krysae wasn't even able to empty it's 3 round clip. Oh look, still have some spare time.. Yeah.. it sucks pretty bad now.
#153
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 09:03
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without even knowing the considered nerfs, a poll is pretty much meaningless...
#154
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 09:03
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It's probably been said already but the problem is not nerfing this or any other weapon. The only problem at the moment is not getting a single decent fix for all the bugs and there's plenty of them.
Is the team working on MP component small? Probably it is, and they can only modify files like weapon damage and weight with weekly balance changes. For everything else they need to do a major work to fix,test and retest which all needs more time invested and with small team that is neither easy nor fast.
And now because of few characters ,GI and N7 Destroyer, people still playing this game with other chars will have more reason to give up. *hints at another look at RNG at the store and cries*
So, basically, stop nerfing and fix the code, you've said that big patch is in the works, so work on it, and leave the good things for people to have fun with. Because people not having fun playing, not having luck at the store - Not Good....not good at all.
Unless you don't want anyone to be around for the new patch when it gets online...
Is the team working on MP component small? Probably it is, and they can only modify files like weapon damage and weight with weekly balance changes. For everything else they need to do a major work to fix,test and retest which all needs more time invested and with small team that is neither easy nor fast.
And now because of few characters ,GI and N7 Destroyer, people still playing this game with other chars will have more reason to give up. *hints at another look at RNG at the store and cries*
So, basically, stop nerfing and fix the code, you've said that big patch is in the works, so work on it, and leave the good things for people to have fun with. Because people not having fun playing, not having luck at the store - Not Good....not good at all.
Unless you don't want anyone to be around for the new patch when it gets online...
#155
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 09:06
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Geth Hunter: Are you saying I can dodge bullets?Lord Rosario wrote...
przemko877 wrote...
Stop panicking, even if they nerf your precious Piranha into nothingness they'll probably buff it one way or another after some time. The guns that were previously nerfed (Falcon, Krysae) are still 100% usable on most characters. People just overreact about it. Personally I'm curious how they want to nerf it. Carnifex too.
In the time it took me to write this reply, the Krysae wasn't even able to empty it's 3 round clip. Oh look, still have some spare time.. Yeah.. it sucks pretty bad now.
Geth Prime: No I'm saying when the time comes... you won't need to.
*They both approach the Krysae-wielding player slowly*
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Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 09:07
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Nerf the piranha. No kidding. It's all over the place.
#158
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 09:10
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Shadohz wrote...
Geth Hunter: Are you saying I can dodge bullets?Lord Rosario wrote...
przemko877 wrote...
Stop panicking, even if they nerf your precious Piranha into nothingness they'll probably buff it one way or another after some time. The guns that were previously nerfed (Falcon, Krysae) are still 100% usable on most characters. People just overreact about it. Personally I'm curious how they want to nerf it. Carnifex too.
In the time it took me to write this reply, the Krysae wasn't even able to empty it's 3 round clip. Oh look, still have some spare time.. Yeah.. it sucks pretty bad now.
Geth Prime: No I'm saying when the time comes... you won't need to.
*They both approach the Krysae-wielding player slowly*
Many lols were given here. Might I figure a way to work that quote into my signiture?
#159
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 09:12
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Siran wrote...
without even knowing the considered nerfs, a poll is pretty much meaningless...
a poll from a anti-nerf thread regarding a possible nerf=bias
Modifié par corporal doody, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:12 .
#160
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 09:16
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corporal doody wrote...
Siran wrote...
without even knowing the considered nerfs, a poll is pretty much meaningless...
a poll from a anti-nerf thread regarding a possible nerf=bias
So link the polls and put them in a pro nerf thread.
#161
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 09:18
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Lord Rosario wrote...
Shadohz wrote...
Geth Hunter: Are you saying I can dodge bullets?Lord Rosario wrote...
przemko877 wrote...
Stop panicking, even if they nerf your precious Piranha into nothingness they'll probably buff it one way or another after some time. The guns that were previously nerfed (Falcon, Krysae) are still 100% usable on most characters. People just overreact about it. Personally I'm curious how they want to nerf it. Carnifex too.
In the time it took me to write this reply, the Krysae wasn't even able to empty it's 3 round clip. Oh look, still have some spare time.. Yeah.. it sucks pretty bad now.
Geth Prime: No I'm saying when the time comes... you won't need to.
*They both approach the Krysae-wielding player slowly*
Many lols were given here. Might I figure a way to work that quote into my signiture?
Guess I'm the only player left that can shoot with Krysae right now, I'll look for more padawans in order to spread my teachings.
#162
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 09:20
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przemko877 wrote...
Lord Rosario wrote...
Shadohz wrote...
Geth Hunter: Are you saying I can dodge bullets?Lord Rosario wrote...
przemko877 wrote...
Stop panicking, even if they nerf your precious Piranha into nothingness they'll probably buff it one way or another after some time. The guns that were previously nerfed (Falcon, Krysae) are still 100% usable on most characters. People just overreact about it. Personally I'm curious how they want to nerf it. Carnifex too.
In the time it took me to write this reply, the Krysae wasn't even able to empty it's 3 round clip. Oh look, still have some spare time.. Yeah.. it sucks pretty bad now.
Geth Prime: No I'm saying when the time comes... you won't need to.
*They both approach the Krysae-wielding player slowly*
Many lols were given here. Might I figure a way to work that quote into my signiture?
Guess I'm the only player left that can shoot with Krysae right now, I'll look for more padawans in order to spread my teachings.
Oh it's easy to shoot. Rather hard to miss with it.. problem is how often one can shoot with it. I like it on my Turian Soldier, but then again, everything is good on a Turian Soldier.
#163
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 09:23
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This is how it looks to me.
Bioware wants a situation where many more of the weapons get used. However there will always be a best weapon in a class when weapons are differed through straight DPS. And if you strangle the range of DPS via nerfing you also strangle the point of rarity.
If they want weapons to be used with more variety then they need to rewrite the entire current set of weapons to carry intrinsic damage bonuses or effects so that rather than pistol X being the best pistol, it is the best pistol versus Y.
They have already basically done this via the acolyte but they need to retcon it across all the weapons. The paladin and carnifex are great pistols, but they are not the best anti shield pistol. With just gear and a gear amp a acolyte can strip 3500 shields a shot. Because of that i will use the acolyte with certain kits or if i know i am playing against certain enemies.
Give commons an intrinsic health damage bonus, uncommons a shield bonus and rares a higher shield or armour damage bonus with a small penalty to whichever is not boosted. Give ultra rares the same levels of damage bonus without the penalty.
Then buff all the enemies a little in terms of health/shields/armour.
Suddenly there will be 3-4 of each class of weapon becoming 'situation best', or synergistic with certain characters, which is a hell of a lot better than nerfing everything to being the same so that it does not matter what weapon we chose.
Bioware wants a situation where many more of the weapons get used. However there will always be a best weapon in a class when weapons are differed through straight DPS. And if you strangle the range of DPS via nerfing you also strangle the point of rarity.
If they want weapons to be used with more variety then they need to rewrite the entire current set of weapons to carry intrinsic damage bonuses or effects so that rather than pistol X being the best pistol, it is the best pistol versus Y.
They have already basically done this via the acolyte but they need to retcon it across all the weapons. The paladin and carnifex are great pistols, but they are not the best anti shield pistol. With just gear and a gear amp a acolyte can strip 3500 shields a shot. Because of that i will use the acolyte with certain kits or if i know i am playing against certain enemies.
Give commons an intrinsic health damage bonus, uncommons a shield bonus and rares a higher shield or armour damage bonus with a small penalty to whichever is not boosted. Give ultra rares the same levels of damage bonus without the penalty.
Then buff all the enemies a little in terms of health/shields/armour.
Suddenly there will be 3-4 of each class of weapon becoming 'situation best', or synergistic with certain characters, which is a hell of a lot better than nerfing everything to being the same so that it does not matter what weapon we chose.
Modifié par DESTRAUDO, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:32 .
#164
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 09:30
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Lord Rosario wrote...
przemko877 wrote...
Lord Rosario wrote...
Shadohz wrote...
Geth Hunter: Are you saying I can dodge bullets?Lord Rosario wrote...
przemko877 wrote...
Stop panicking, even if they nerf your precious Piranha into nothingness they'll probably buff it one way or another after some time. The guns that were previously nerfed (Falcon, Krysae) are still 100% usable on most characters. People just overreact about it. Personally I'm curious how they want to nerf it. Carnifex too.
In the time it took me to write this reply, the Krysae wasn't even able to empty it's 3 round clip. Oh look, still have some spare time.. Yeah.. it sucks pretty bad now.
Geth Prime: No I'm saying when the time comes... you won't need to.
*They both approach the Krysae-wielding player slowly*
Many lols were given here. Might I figure a way to work that quote into my signiture?
Guess I'm the only player left that can shoot with Krysae right now, I'll look for more padawans in order to spread my teachings.
Oh it's easy to shoot. Rather hard to miss with it.. problem is how often one can shoot with it. I like it on my Turian Soldier, but then again, everything is good on a Turian Soldier.
Right, doubleshot anyone?
#165
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 10:01
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Totally agree with Mr. RedJohn 
#166
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 10:01
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When the Piranha just came out, i used it and wasn't impressed with the accuracy at any range other than short range. After the first day buff, i used it again and still wasn't impressed with the accuracy but the damage made it worthwhile to go into CQC.
Once i used it in UUG regularly, i found that it was a liability if big maps got selected due to the running required. Took a Indra + Piranha combo but found the performance inconsistent. Someone then posted about the AP ammo piercing effects only working on your weapon in hand when you spawn (i don't use piercing mod for either gun as i use AP ammo to negate) for PC. So 2 weapons = nono
Switched to the Harrier and dropped less while being able to counter enemies at any range. Now i don't use the Piranha any more
Long story short. Is the piranha OP? Coming from someone who used it quite a bit, i would say this. Only on those classes that that make the spread minimal and only the Turian Soldier can do it such that its a long range weapon. All others even destroyer and GI cannot minimize the spread to that extent though ROF increases makes spray and pray more acceptable on those 2. Thats 3 out of 42 classes (43 if you count the BF soldier).
But i don't care about the Piranha any more. Nerf it to the ground. I'll still be using the Harrier until it gets nerfed then i'll use a mouse click macro for the Mattock.
Once i used it in UUG regularly, i found that it was a liability if big maps got selected due to the running required. Took a Indra + Piranha combo but found the performance inconsistent. Someone then posted about the AP ammo piercing effects only working on your weapon in hand when you spawn (i don't use piercing mod for either gun as i use AP ammo to negate) for PC. So 2 weapons = nono
Switched to the Harrier and dropped less while being able to counter enemies at any range. Now i don't use the Piranha any more
Long story short. Is the piranha OP? Coming from someone who used it quite a bit, i would say this. Only on those classes that that make the spread minimal and only the Turian Soldier can do it such that its a long range weapon. All others even destroyer and GI cannot minimize the spread to that extent though ROF increases makes spray and pray more acceptable on those 2. Thats 3 out of 42 classes (43 if you count the BF soldier).
But i don't care about the Piranha any more. Nerf it to the ground. I'll still be using the Harrier until it gets nerfed then i'll use a mouse click macro for the Mattock.
#167
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 10:03
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of course its OP. every single player that uses one runs right to the spawns so the range that people whine about is never a factor.
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Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 10:24
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Agree completely.
Just because the Piranha can be used very effectively with the right mods and class build doesn't mean its OP. It just means it has a lot of potential if used a certain way. Like you said, using it on a class that gets no real benifit out of it will show you how poorly the gun can actually be. Plus try using it without a smart choke (on a class that doesn't get any buffs that help make the gun shine). It has a large recoil and is terribly inaccurate. Don't hate on a gun just because of how good it can be when used effectively, its just punishing players who plan accordingly to take full advantage of the weapon.
Just because the Piranha can be used very effectively with the right mods and class build doesn't mean its OP. It just means it has a lot of potential if used a certain way. Like you said, using it on a class that gets no real benifit out of it will show you how poorly the gun can actually be. Plus try using it without a smart choke (on a class that doesn't get any buffs that help make the gun shine). It has a large recoil and is terribly inaccurate. Don't hate on a gun just because of how good it can be when used effectively, its just punishing players who plan accordingly to take full advantage of the weapon.
#169
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 10:31
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RedJohn wrote...
I usually don't do this kind of post, but I feel this time it is necessary, because Pirahna is not overpowered.
Lot of people use it yes, but that is not a reason to kill their fun.
Also, is easy to prove that pirahna is not overpowered, just take it and put it in a Female Quarian Engineer and tell me if you feel the power, no, you won't, because there isn't that power.
Pirahna is only powerful ( like all weapons ) when you put it in a GI, GE or a destroyer but on other characters like Quarian Engineer, Human Sentinel and the rest, you can feel the lack of power of that weapon, the only advantage on those clases is the low weight of the weapon, ideal for caster classes.
So my dead forummates, will we hold the line against this injustice?
I'm with you BSN, i'm against this, now is your turn to let me know if you are with me, will you hold the line with me?, Will you?
Poll for Pirahna
http://social.biowar...79/polls/39543/
Poll for Carniflex
http://social.biowar...79/polls/39544/
Didn't you just declare a few days ago that you'd leave this game?
#170
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 10:32
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Not exactly, he said his video card broke so he cannot play anymore. he probably misses the game like hell and wants to talk about it.BlackbirdSR-71C wrote...
RedJohn wrote...
I usually don't do this kind of post, but I feel this time it is necessary, because Pirahna is not overpowered.
Lot of people use it yes, but that is not a reason to kill their fun.
Also, is easy to prove that pirahna is not overpowered, just take it and put it in a Female Quarian Engineer and tell me if you feel the power, no, you won't, because there isn't that power.
Pirahna is only powerful ( like all weapons ) when you put it in a GI, GE or a destroyer but on other characters like Quarian Engineer, Human Sentinel and the rest, you can feel the lack of power of that weapon, the only advantage on those clases is the low weight of the weapon, ideal for caster classes.
So my dead forummates, will we hold the line against this injustice?
I'm with you BSN, i'm against this, now is your turn to let me know if you are with me, will you hold the line with me?, Will you?
Poll for Pirahna
http://social.biowar...79/polls/39543/
Poll for Carniflex
http://social.biowar...79/polls/39544/
Didn't you just declare a few days ago that you'd leave this game?
Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 19 septembre 2012 - 10:33 .
#171
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 10:41
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Yeah, IMO it's only overpowered on classes that mainly focus around damage, or classes that increase ROF. Anything else, not really overpowered.
#172
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 10:53
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Whom is with me and RedJohn?
It's 'who'. Nice try.
#173
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 10:54
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No carnifex nerf please, I'v been using the gun with a passion since the beginning ...
#174
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 11:21
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i saw a salarian engineer run the pirahna. tricked the troopers into attacking his clone and then went in close range to mop them up. nerfing this weapon will just hurt creative guys like him. i vote no to nerfing.
#175
Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 11:22
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as of today, theres FIFTY other guns!!!!!! imagine! oh boy this will smash his creativity.BioticArm wrote...
i saw a salarian engineer run the pirahna. tricked the troopers into attacking his clone and then went in close range to mop them up. nerfing this weapon will just hurt creative guys like him. i vote no to nerfing.
