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[Arppis]

I like using the gun, because of the automatic fire and plentiful of ammo. The damage is ok, but nothing to call home about. It does it's job.

And it's N7 gun, it should be good. I use it with Vanguards and Paladin.

Modifié par Arppis, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:19 .

[Josh.de]

Vote please.

BW stop nerfing weapons and buff underpowered ones.

[Kogia]

SavagelyEpic wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

Angry and arrogant? Nope. I still play. Superior? Hahaha. No. I save that for you worshippers of speed runs and solo videos so you guys can cream your pants when RedJohn posts a topic. Sorry, at 43 years old, I find that hilarious. No more, no less. It's funny.

I guess that's the problem. See, I'm not trying to make superior posts. I, seriously, do not have half the issues people complain about daily on here. And go through the forum. Same people, same issues. Now how many peeps play this game? How many registered forum members ( of which not all even play MP)?

Sorry that conveying words through the Internet makes it difficult to convey intent.

Except saying that you're not trying to appear superior while obviously and blatanting lording it above the rest of us you're so eager to cover with your blanket assumptions does nothing to actually make your intended audience believe you're not trying to appear superior.

TLDR; telling people you're not trying to make yourself look good while erecting a statue of yourself can be hard to believe. 
...Especially when you lay down huge blanket assumptions on EVERYONE who isn't you.

Just what i was going to say.

I'm embarrassed for you GallowsPole, you're on a gaming web forum boasting that your grand old age of 43 and playing mp for 20 years, as if this somehow makes your views more signifcant.... I find no better fitting place to say, get a life, I at least have the decency to feel daft that I am just a few short years younger than you (we'd have been at school together) and posting with care about gun changes in what I know will be a flash in the pan of my (gaming) life. It's never wise to try and act superior on web forums and even less so when you make sweeping statements about everyone else on the forum.

nb. I'd never heard of RedJohn until I saw this thread, I have never watched or done a speed run in ME, I worship nobody.

[Brawling_fairies]

I find Piranha to be unimpressive with anything that is not turian soldier.
Claymore is just so much more enjoyable to use...

[Agueybana]

I join this protest. The carnifex should stand as it is. The piranha as well.

[Dbohr]

I almost never post on nerf/ buff threads, but I stand with RedJohn on this one. The Piranha is fine as it is; it was fine on lauch day and the buff it received later was totally unnecessary. No other shotgun fills its niche -- which is crowd control and very close quarters combat. It's in the wepon's description, even.

Certain classes can rip apart Atlases and Primes in little more than one clip? Fine. Try doing the same without consumables, or more than 5 meters away. Heck, try the same facing three Marauders. It's doable, but risky. I like high-risk/ high reward.

To those who say the Piranha could use a little weight adjustment, I'd counter that doing so will throw caster classes even deeper into heavy pistol territory. And what heavy pistol best combines stopping power with low weight? That's right -- the Carnifex.

And no, I don't think other pistols need buffs (well, maybe the Eagle). Shall we go one by one?

Phalanx - light weight, semi-auto, decent power. It's like Carnifex little sister. I love it and use it on ex-Cerberus a lot. It is almost always my sidearm of choice on Engineers.

The Predator. A Common weapon and a peashooter. Move away as soon as you get something better. Anything, really.

The Arc Pistol. To be fair, I haven't touched it since the very first tries. Not my playstyle. But it's a fair weapon that can be used to set tech bursts.

The Acolyte. A niche weapon that simply rocks when used properly, even if it could use a little less charge-up time. But I think it is fine as it is.

The Talon. Is it a pistol or is it a shotgun? The Talon is a fine weapon, but its Ultra-Rare status means that it will not be used by many, plus it has a shorter effective range.

The Scorpion. A nice exotic weapon. I enjoy making Phantoms dance with it and equip it on Engineers a lot. But it is not really a pistol and does not work like one. Also an Ultra-Rare.

The Paladin. A heavier, more powerful version of the Carnifex. Also an Ultra-Rare. I'd equip the Paladin more (especially since getting it to VII yesterday) if I hadn't to choose between more damage, more AP or more bullets per clip. A fine weapon as it is, though, and a viable choice when more stopping power is desired.

The N7 Eagle. I really like this gun from a lore point of view, but let's face it: it's outclassed by all the other regular pistols in the game. Also, a promotional weapon.




TL;DR: the Carnifex is chosen more because there are only three other weapons that handle like pistols and offer trade-offs in power, range and weight. One is an Uncommon, two are URs. I ask you: is it surprising that so many pick the Carnifex?

Modifié par Dbohr, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:00 .

[MinatheBrat]

I voted no too.

I don't use the Pirahna - I realize it's because I hate using new guns. They always get nerfed and I get irritated. As I try to avoid feeling negative about things that I'm supposed to be enjoying I pretty much just ignore new weapons.

The Carnifex nerf idea is really terrible. This is actually a useful weapon and it's beginning to seem as if no weapon is safe.

- oh just wanted to add nice breakdown Dbohr. I agree with your pistol assessments.

Modifié par MinatheBrat, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:41 .

[GallowsPole]

I'm embarrassed for me too. That the reason I posted was because I care about the game too. My views are no more, no less significant than yours. Sorry that I mock the idea that people take this stuff way too seriously. It's a game. Common sense dictates there is no clear winner on forums and balancing. If that makes me superior, you know, having common sense, than woohoo. I also lack the ability to properly convey the printed word into feeling. Something, you, it seems have mastered.

[x Red 94]

I hardly post on these types of threads but I feel that I must. I love using my piranha and I'm not going to keep quiet this time. The team has their share of things well done and those gone wrong but why nerf those two guns now? I am with you RedJohn and I will vote against the nerf.

[kevosama]

Carnifex is great - high damage and accuracy balanced with a low clip size and low ROF. It's good for casters who only equip a weapon for those "oh s**t" moments. The heavy pistols are called "heavy" for a reason - and the carnifex is called the meat-maker for a reason as well.
Pirahna is also great - high ROF and damage, but you have to get crazy close to use it opening yourself up for lots of damage. I find it makes Batarians playable again.

IMO - you want people to start using different guns - give the crappy guns a boost. Personally I try to spread out my armory - I even have a few chars equipped with the predator as a secondary, because it's large clip and high ROF make for a reasonable secondary.

[vGriMz]

It was already nerfed once, it doesn't need another nerf. It's fine as it is.

[Kogia]

GallowsPole wrote...

I'm embarrassed for me too. That the reason I posted was because I care about the game too. My views are no more, no less significant than yours. Sorry that I mock the idea that people take this stuff way too seriously. It's a game. Common sense dictates there is no clear winner on forums and balancing. If that makes me superior, you know, having common sense, than woohoo. I also lack the ability to properly convey the printed word into feeling. Something, you, it seems have mastered.

If you're being serious (never can quite tell), now you are showing your age & maturity, ie. you're able to admit errors on a web forum. So to that I feel I should throw out a light apology for possibly ranting at you unnecessarily smugly.

[Dbohr]

MinatheBrat wrote...

I voted no too.

I don't use the Pirahna - I realize it's because I hate using new guns. They always get nerfed and I get irritated. As I try to avoid feeling negative about things that I'm supposed to be enjoying I pretty much just ignore new weapons.

The Carnifex nerf idea is really terrible. This is actually a useful weapon and it's beginning to seem as if no weapon is safe.

- oh just wanted to add nice breakdown Dbohr. I agree with your pistol assessments.

It's all about the punchline, really. There are six pistols out of nine in the game that handle like pistols. One is a Common, one is the N7 Eagle.  Two of the others are good choices, but are URs. The Uncommon Phalanx is a fine choice, but doesn't hit as hard as the remaining one -- the Carnifex. 

The Carnifex sits in that sweet spot that makes it the go-to weapon of anyone that moved out of Uncommons and haven't stacked up on URs yet. 

Modifié par Dbohr, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:54 .

[RohanSpartan]

You suck at Multi-player, therefore all good/great weapons/powers need to be nerfed into the ground.

[Trontor]

Dbohr wrote...
The N7 Eagle. I really like this gun from a lore point of view, but let's face it: it's outclassed by all the other regular pistols in the game. Also, a promotional weapon.

The N7 Eagle is not really a Heavy Pistol, it is an SMG. It was unique before the Earth DLC came out because the recoil wasn't too bad and you could equip it with an armor piercing mod.

After the Earth DLC brought us the SMG Recoil System and High Velocity Barrel (thanks a lot for those BioWare) it became totally irrelevant. If you put those two mods on a Tempest (which is only an Uncommon weapon) you have a weapon which outperforms the N7 Eagle in every possible way.

TL;DR: the Carnifex is chosen more because there are only three other weapons that handle like pistols and offer trade-offs in power, range and weight. One is an Uncommon, two are URs. I ask you: is it surprising that so many pick the Carnifex?

I agree. I would love to use my Paladin or Talin more if I could only level them up. And the Paladin's clip size nerf should really be reverted.

Modifié par JustAnotherVanguard, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:58 .

[GallowsPole]

Kogia wrote...

GallowsPole wrote...

I'm embarrassed for me too. That the reason I posted was because I care about the game too. My views are no more, no less significant than yours. Sorry that I mock the idea that people take this stuff way too seriously. It's a game. Common sense dictates there is no clear winner on forums and balancing. If that makes me superior, you know, having common sense, than woohoo. I also lack the ability to properly convey the printed word into feeling. Something, you, it seems have mastered.

If you're being serious (never can quite tell), now you are showing your age & maturity, ie. you're able to admit errors on a web forum. So to that I feel I should throw out a light apology for possibly ranting at you unnecessarily smugly.

Thanks. For the record, I mainly jest. The reason I posted my age, was to show in all those years, it hasn't changed. At one time, for the game I played most, I was the worshipped one. Even then, I found it amusing the way people fawned over us. If you go and look at my past posts, they are usually one of mockery. I felt I've earned it. 

[GallowsPole]

I just want one lousy round added to the Paladin, then it would be perfect for me.

[Lokiwithrope]

To stand against EA... is to stand against Hell itself.

[kelly ripas bicep]

NO NERF!!!! I am for gun control and I vote! I want control of my gun, I mean

[BIOFAN]

i voted no on both knowing that it is just like voting in politics, a waste of time.

if the devs are gonna nerf it it isn't cause there are people asking for a nerfs on the thing but to "balance" the influx of cash that the store is getting them.

you can clearly see by the poll that there are far more anti-nerf people than pro-nerf people and that won't matter!

Modifié par BIOFAN, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:57 .

[An English Gamer]

Typical: Weapon is used a lot = overpowered. -.-
Why can't it ever be seen as: Weapon is used a lot = other guns are underpowered...

[Danski624]

Vote no on nerf

NO

[Tchu Tchu Tchu Paaaa]

nerf piranha and carniflex? Instead they should buff other weapons to make them suitable to play on platinum and gold. Not take away from us the few weapons that support platinum and gold.

[GallowsPole]

An English Gamer wrote...

Typical: Weapon is used a lot = overpowered. -.-
Why can't it ever be seen as: Weapon is used a lot = other guns are underpowered...

Easy. Why would people who have been playing a lot, move to the newer weapon if it wasn't OP to some degree when their old weapon was used just fine and dandy?  Only one other reason I can think of is diversity, but I'm sure BW data doesn't reflect that. Or at east that would be my guess.