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[White Flag]

KalilKareem wrote...

Kaall wrote...
- I don't care about being the bad guy, sometime someone has to assume that role so that the group has a better chance.

 

You mean like Hitler?

Kaall wrote... 
Loosing = Less money = Less fun
Winning = More money = More Fun
Having a lv 1 = greater chance to loose = Greater chance to have a frustrating match
Kicking lv 1 chars = Raising chance to win = Less chance to have a frustrating match
Frustrating match = Not Fun.

That means

Kicking lv 1 chars = Less chance to have a frustrating match = Bigger chance of a fun match = more chance to Win = More money.

That is logic, that is not negotiable.

That is why i will always kick lv 1 char.

I don't think you know what "logic" means. Or "fun". But you seem to have "narrow minded" and "egocentric" pretty much nailed down. I guess thats a start? 

His argument seems sound.  Its validity is still debatable though 

[waltervolpatto]

...

I player a match with two players n7.9 and n7.19 or something like that, they where ok.isc in silver. The leader switched to gold and everybody stay put. The forth player had a legit load out and we read up.

Was it fun? Yes, crazy fun. Was a long match and they died a lot, I hope that they saw me and the other good player in how to solo/duo the waves and learn how to cover properly.

The characters has startup weapons and they cannot punch a hole in the enemy, so most of the times they where behind cover getting overwhelmed and scared.
I actually played in. My mind the card of: " we are surrounded, give some weapons to civil forces and try to hold the line!"

We actually extracted, partial but we did it....

[alevice]

Anytime I promote and need to level up again, I usually just solo bronze with a character that can endure well (kroguard, bloodlust vorchas, sal engies, tur sent, etc). Then go to random silver pubs.

[KalilKareem]

White Flag wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Kaall wrote...
- I don't care about being the bad guy, sometime someone has to assume that role so that the group has a better chance.

 

You mean like Hitler?

Kaall wrote... 
Loosing = Less money = Less fun
Winning = More money = More Fun
Having a lv 1 = greater chance to loose = Greater chance to have a frustrating match
Kicking lv 1 chars = Raising chance to win = Less chance to have a frustrating match
Frustrating match = Not Fun.

That means

Kicking lv 1 chars = Less chance to have a frustrating match = Bigger chance of a fun match = more chance to Win = More money.

That is logic, that is not negotiable.

That is why i will always kick lv 1 char.

I don't think you know what "logic" means. Or "fun". But you seem to have "narrow minded" and "egocentric" pretty much nailed down. I guess thats a start? 

His argument seems sound.  Its validity is still debatable though 

Sound? Hardly. He is basing a set of dodgy theorems on false axioms. His first premise is "money=fun". By this statement FBWGG is the most fun experience in ME3MP, which is obviously false. Hence every single statement that follows is false.

[pyroboy2290]

KalilKareem wrote...
Sound? Hardly. He is basing a set of dodgy theorems on false axioms. His first premise is "money=fun". By this statement FBWGG is the most fun experience in ME3MP, which is obviously false. Hence every single statement that follows is false.

Yes, because if you don't agree with one point a person is making than everything else they say is totally wrong.

*edit* decided I didn't need to be insulting.

Modifié par pyroboy2290, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:46 .

[White Flag]

KalilKareem wrote...

White Flag wrote...
His argument seems sound.  Its validity is still debatable though 

Sound? Hardly. He is basing a set of dodgy theorems on false axioms. His first premise is "money=fun". By this statement FBWGG is the most fun experience in ME3MP, which is obviously false. Hence every single statement that follows is false.

If the premises are true or not has no implication on the soundness of the argument, if I recall my logics classes correctly. Chances are I don't.  Let's not turn this into an offtopic discussion though, as we both don't agree with his conclusion:)

[KalilKareem]

pyroboy2290 wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...
Sound? Hardly. He is basing a set of dodgy theorems on false axioms. His first premise is "money=fun". By this statement FBWGG is the most fun experience in ME3MP, which is obviously false. Hence every single statement that follows is false.

Yes, because if you don't agree with one point a person is making than everything else they say is totally wrong.

*edit* decided I didn't need to be insulting.

Read the list of statements. All the other statements are based on the first.

[KalilKareem]

White Flag wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

White Flag wrote...
His argument seems sound.  Its validity is still debatable though 

Sound? Hardly. He is basing a set of dodgy theorems on false axioms. His first premise is "money=fun". By this statement FBWGG is the most fun experience in ME3MP, which is obviously false. Hence every single statement that follows is false.

If the premises are true or not has no implication on the soundness of the argument, if I recall my logics classes correctly. Chances are I don't.  Let's not turn this into an offtopic discussion though, as we both don't agree with his conclusion:)

I agree. Or do I?

[ForTuchanka]

KalilKareem wrote...

Sound? Hardly. He is basing a set of dodgy theorems on false axioms. His first premise is "money=fun". By this statement FBWGG is the most fun experience in ME3MP, which is obviously false. Hence every single statement that follows is false.

Now you really are being narrowminded.  The practice of giving out credits is OBVIOUSLY part of the reward system in this game and the chances of getting them is directly linked to the level of the characters involved.    Money does indeed constitute a large part of the "fun" in the game for the vast majority of the playerbase as it is DIRECTLY linked to unlocking additional classes/weapons/gear which enhance and vary the play experience.  Is it the only factor?  Certainly not.  But you don't have to be so dense and claim the opposite that its somehow not directly and inseparably linked.

[pyroboy2290]

KalilKareem wrote...
Read the list of statements. All the other statements are based on the first.

While that may be so, they can each be taken individually as well. Take these three for example:
Having a lv 1 = greater chance to loose = Greater chance to have a frustrating match
Kicking lv 1 chars = Raising chance to win = Less chance to have a frustrating match
Frustrating match = Not Fun.

I really don't see how you can disagree with those statements. Level 1's in gold+ do make matches more difficult and thus more frustrating and frustrating =/= fun.



Also, I'd just like to take a moment to reflect on how derailed this thread has become. The OP was originally talking about getting kicked out of bronze for playing a level 1 character (which is utterly ridiculous.) And now we have all of these people arguing over level 1's in gold.... I guess that's what happens when somebody makes a wall of text and very few people take the time (and understandably so) to read said wall of text.

Modifié par pyroboy2290, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:00 .

[Kaall]

KalilKareem wrote...

Kaall wrote...
- I don't care about being the bad guy, sometime someone has to assume that role so that the group has a better chance.

 

You mean like Hitler?

Reductio ad hiltlerum at your first post toward me ......, you just won



And by that you lost the game of discussion, looking forward to not see you around so soon.

Goodbye.

Kaall wrote... 
Loosing = Less money = Less fun
Winning = More money = More Fun
Having a lv 1 = greater chance to loose = Greater chance to have a frustrating match
Kicking lv 1 chars = Raising chance to win = Less chance to have a frustrating match
Frustrating match = Not Fun.

That means

Kicking lv 1 chars = Less chance to have a frustrating match = Bigger chance of a fun match = more chance to Win = More money.

That is logic, that is not negotiable.

That is why i will always kick lv 1 char.

I don't think you know what "logic" means. Or "fun". But you seem to have "narrow minded" and "egocentric" pretty much nailed down. I guess thats a start? 

It is my logic, you don't like it don't apply it.
Sometimes truth is a fact, sometime truth is a point of view, this my point of view, this is my truth, this is my logic, it is not negotiable. full point.

Sure i am narrow minded, but not narrow minded enough to call on a reductio ad hitlerum at each post  with wich i do not agree, just guess who has the narrowest mind of us ?

I am egocentric, i never said the contrary, i am proud of it, you got a problem with that, just don't play with me, i don't want to play with someone who just compared me to hitler by the way, i guess it's fair.


Ho and i just reported you because comparing someone to hitler is an insult.

Modifié par Kaall, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:03 .

[KalilKareem]

ForTuchanka wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Sound? Hardly. He is basing a set of dodgy theorems on false axioms. His first premise is "money=fun". By this statement FBWGG is the most fun experience in ME3MP, which is obviously false. Hence every single statement that follows is false.

Now you really are being narrowminded.  The practice of giving out credits is OBVIOUSLY part of the reward system in this game and the chances of getting them is directly linked to the level of the characters involved.    Money does indeed constitute a large part of the "fun" in the game for the vast majority of the playerbase as it is DIRECTLY linked to unlocking additional classes/weapons/gear which enhance and vary the play experience.  Is it the only factor?  Certainly not.  But you don't have to be so dense and claim the opposite that its somehow not directly and inseparably linked.

Yeah, I am like that sometimes But you are wrong. Money and upgrades are indeed provided as "rewards" to get us hooked on the game. "Fun" is another, independent, reward mechanism. You can have loads of fun without earning a lot of credits. And you can earn a lot of credits without having fun. Hence neither implication nor equivalence.

[KalilKareem]

Kaall wrote...

It is my logic, you don't like it don't apply it.
Sometimes truth is a fact, sometime truth is a point of view, this my point of view, this is my truth, this is my logic, it is not negotiable. full point.

Ooook. I think I will stick to the logic that the rest of humanity has been developing these last few hundred years if its all the same to you?

And about the report; yeah, whatever. I didn't compare you to anything. I asked you a question.

[pyroboy2290]

KalilKareem wrote...

Kaall wrote...

It is my logic, you don't like it don't apply it.
Sometimes truth is a fact, sometime truth is a point of view, this my point of view, this is my truth, this is my logic, it is not negotiable. full point.

Ooook. I think I will stick to the logic that the rest of humanity has been developing these last few hundred years if its all the same to you?

And about the report; yeah, whatever. I didn't compare you to anything. I asked you a question.

He's right about the logic thing... sometimes truth is subjective (just look at the many, many religions in existance, if everyone followed the same logic we'd all follow one religion.... or actually we'd probably all be athiest, but whatevs.) Furthermore just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean his argument is illogical (for me credits=fun, but I can understand that other people have fun through other means in the game.) Many people on these forums don't like nerfs, they'd like the game to be reasonably easy because that's what's fun for them. Other people advocate for nerfs because they enjoy challenging game play. Two opposing view points with completely sound arguments backing them up.

TL;DR: You just need to OPEN YOUR MIND MANNNNNN.... for some people credits = fun, for others amusing gameplay is fun. Live with it.

Modifié par pyroboy2290, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:27 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

Bronze w/lvl 1 - okay
Silver w/lvl 1 - If its a good set-up
Gold w/lvl 1 - kick
Platinum w/lvl 1 - instant kick

Also:

Must I explain why?

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:36 .

[Kaall]

KalilKareem wrote...

And about the report; yeah, whatever. I didn't compare you to anything. I asked you a question.

So the "H name" crossed your brain just by accident, or is it that your finger wrote faster than you thoughts.

I think you are just trying to find excuses, you don't call the H name if your intention is not to insult someone, deal with it, assume your actions, stop making excuses.


You don't like my logic, that is understandable, that does not give you any right to ask an oriented question that compare me with the H name. Full point.

[pyroboy2290]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Bronze w/lvl 1 - okay
Silver w/lvl 1 - If its a good set-up
Gold w/lvl 1 - kick
Platinum w/lvl 1 - instant kick

Personally for me it's:
Bronze w/lvl 1 - THIS IS WHERE YOU BELONG!
Silver w/lvl 1 - OR MAYBE HERE IF YOU'RE N7 131+ (that's N7120 that just promoted a dude) Or if you've got an okay class/weapon then N7 doesn't matter
Gold w/lvl 1 - DO YOU HAVE THE HARRIER 5+ OR A LEVEL 8+ UR PISTOL? NO? *kick*
Platinum w/lvl 1 - DO YOU HAVE THE HARRIER 10? NO? *kick*

Modifié par pyroboy2290, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:38 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

Kaall wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

And about the report; yeah, whatever. I didn't compare you to anything. I asked you a question.

So the "H name" crossed your brain just by accident, or is it that your finger wrote faster than you thoughts.

I think you are just trying to find excuses, you don't call the H name if your intention is not to insult someone, deal with it, assume your actions, stop making excuses.


You don't like my logic, that is understandable, that does not give you any right to ask an oriented question that compare me with the H name. Full point.

Seriously? Stop, you're making yourself look like an idiot.
"The H name"?
Who are you, Harry Potter? (Another H) The guys name was Hitler.
"Fear of the name breeds fear of the thing itself."

You weren't called Hitler, you were asked if you were talking about the same thing.
Hitler was a vilian by choice, he believed he was doing the right thing for the sake of the human race. And he was wrong.

It is easily comparible to what you were saying on a much smaller scale, kicking lvl 1s by any means for the sake of everyone elses "fun"
Its your point of view, your logic is flawed, but it is your opinion and you are entitled to it. 


And stop acting like such a child!!

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:44 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

pyroboy2290 wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Bronze w/lvl 1 - okay
Silver w/lvl 1 - If its a good set-up
Gold w/lvl 1 - kick
Platinum w/lvl 1 - instant kick

Personally for me it's:
Bronze w/lvl 1 - THIS IS WHERE YOU BELONG!
Silver w/lvl 1 - OR MAYBE HERE IF YOU'RE N7 131+ (that's N7120 that just promoted a dude) Or if you've got an okay class/weapon then N7 doesn't matter
Gold w/lvl 1 - DO YOU HAVE THE HARRIER 5+ OR A LEVEL 8+ UR PISTOL? NO? *kick*
Platinum w/lvl 1 - DO YOU HAVE THE HARRIER 10? NO? *kick*

Basically. Bronze is the starter place, honestly I laugh whenever I SEE a kick sign on someone in bronze.
Silver, if you just promoted and have a decent set-up, I won't argue.
Gold...level 1...you shouldn't be here...
Platinum, *sees level 1 join lobby* "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!? WHAT ARE YOU EVEN DOING BEING ABLE TO JOIN US?? GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Kaall]

I am not calling him by his name in order to avoid anymore godwin point to be awarded to this thread.

Does that pose you a problem that i have a little of decency ?

So now having decency, makes you looks like you are an idiot, that is great news.

[KalilKareem]

Kaall wrote...

I am not calling him by his name in order to avoid anymore godwin point to be awarded to this thread.

Does that pose you a problem that i have a little of decency ?

So now having decency, makes you looks like you are an idiot, that is great news.

You forgot "full point.". And seriously mate, listen to Yajuu Omoi, you are comming across as, well, shall we say "not fully mature".

[pyroboy2290]

KalilKareem wrote...
You forgot "full point.". And seriously mate, listen to Yajuu Omoi, you are comming across as, well, shall we say "not fully mature".

He is to some people I guess? I never got that impression myself.
¯\\_(ツ)_/¯

[KalilKareem]

pyroboy2290 wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Kaall wrote...

It is my logic, you don't like it don't apply it.
Sometimes truth is a fact, sometime truth is a point of view, this my point of view, this is my truth, this is my logic, it is not negotiable. full point.

Ooook. I think I will stick to the logic that the rest of humanity has been developing these last few hundred years if its all the same to you?

And about the report; yeah, whatever. I didn't compare you to anything. I asked you a question.

He's right about the logic thing... sometimes truth is subjective (just look at the many, many religions in existance, if everyone followed the same logic we'd all follow one religion.... or actually we'd probably all be athiest, but whatevs.) Furthermore just because you don't agree with him doesn't mean his argument is illogical (for me credits=fun, but I can understand that other people have fun through other means in the game.) Many people on these forums don't like nerfs, they'd like the game to be reasonably easy because that's what's fun for them. Other people advocate for nerfs because they enjoy challenging game play. Two opposing view points with completely sound arguments backing them up.

TL;DR: You just need to OPEN YOUR MIND MANNNNNN.... for some people credits = fun, for others amusing gameplay is fun. Live with it.

I might be wrong here, but as I recall religion is not based on logic at all but on faith. Faith is subjective, as is opinion. Truth however is absolute. Unless you make statements about subjective things. So, you have a point for sure. I for one congratualte anyone who feels that money=fun. Grab your Visa card and buy all UR's maxed. Ultimate fun!

[Yajuu Omoi]

KalilKareem wrote...

Kaall wrote...

I am not calling him by his name in order to avoid anymore godwin point to be awarded to this thread.

Does that pose you a problem that i have a little of decency ?

So now having decency, makes you looks like you are an idiot, that is great news.

You forgot "full point.". And seriously mate, listen to Yajuu Omoi, you are comming across as, well, shall we say "not fully mature".

There is no decency in being afraid of someone. The only one getting offended here is you.

Oh, and fyi...as far as Godwin goes...with enough time...even a chimp can write out the entire Encyclopedia Britannica

[Kaall]

Look you are the one who is asking me an insulting question and i am the one who is not mature ?

Are you sane ?