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[snackrat]

Never underestimate the power of keymapping. If I'm remembering this right, console users cannot sprint and turn due to the choice of 'sprint button' taking there thumb off the relevant analog (the right, for camera, presumably). If you don't like the key layout with PC, you have the chance to change it. Plus a keyboard has SO MANY BUTTONS.

There's also the case of aiming. Depite the above mentioned issue with sprinting, I look upon console platforming with fondness. However, I do not miss aiming - it always felt like attempting a crane game to me. Though I switched to PC out of necessity, aiming seems much more intuitive since you're basically 'clicking on things' - as well as providing options for mouse sensitivity (as time went on, mine has been bumped so high no one in my family or flat can use it).

Those together means players get a larger amount of manoeuvrability, as well as faster and more accurate responses.

Oh, and then there's the issues of capture cards for consoles versus FRAPS or whatever for PC, though that mostly explains why PC is more common rather than just 'faster', (Though you could argue that with a larger population you get access to more outliers).

[kelly ripas bicep]

How about the ease of reload cancel? I hear it is much easier on PC.

[Grinch57]

caineghis2500 wrote...

damn i need more pop corn. Hold on a sec...

Well, you certainly got some energetic responses.  

I'm on PC, though not an elite gamer.  But I will provide a response, since you solicited one from all (thank you).

I think mostly it is what some have said, that it is easier to do a video on PC than Xbox or PS3.  Vids from Upinya Slayin, your vid, others, all show it can be done, but I think the equipment and knowledge to do so is more limited on console.

LadyNemsis just put out a duo vid, she asked for help from someone, since she could not do it herself (otherwise it probably would have been a solo run, but that is just my guess).  She is on Xbox and her rep is awesome, so it had nothing to do with game playing skills, but more with having the right equipment to do the video.

But as you say, great excuse for popcorn.  Have fun.

Modifié par Grinch57, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:03 .

[BIOFAN]

because they are cheating with the reload cancel thing. yes it is a mechanic in the game but its not supposed to be activated by the use of medigel lol

[RedJohn]

chipsandwich wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

chipsandwich wrote...

Because it is cheaper to record gameplay on PC with just a simple program, whereas xbox requires capture cards which are fairly expensive. Also, accuracy does not matter for ME3 - many solo or speedrun setups do not care for skill with aiming (GI Piranha, KV Reegar, Arc Grenades, power based classes like Fury, Batarian Soldier, Slayer etc.) so I doubt M+KB is that big of a factor.

Actually if you don't know how to use the weapon and when your time will be messed.

So, yes, Aiming is always important, very important.

Tactics are important, but what I meant was that all the extra precision isn't really that necessary unless you're using a sniper or Saber. Obviously you need to be able to get consistent headshots or whatever, but getting fast times in my experience depends a lot more on your positioning, build and kill prioritisation.

I know what you are saying, but, aiming is one of the most important things, for example, I got a time of 17:10 with Slayer using a Talon, when I shot and didn't get headshot was more difficult for me to do fire explosions, hence, the wave time increase, which means I could do it slowly.

Of course, all power based classes like the ones you mentionated can get decent times relying on their powers, but none of them could reach an awesome time without aiming ability.

For example, right now I hold the record of the fastest batarian soldier ( which was the fastest in the world until Velaut broke it with a run 8 seconds faster) in te case of Batarian, I couldn't get good times if my aiming with the Harrier weren't good because in that way my strategy for batarian wouldn't work.

[RedJohn]

BIOFAN wrote...

because they are cheating with the reload cancel thing. yes it is a mechanic in the game but its not supposed to be activated by the use of medigel lol

That can be done on console 

[sonofabumdooda]

Kogia wrote...

Without a doubt it's the fact that a mouse is a much better control option for shooters and I say this as someone who has a gaming PC, but just prefers to game on my PS3. I just feel less like I'm working when I have a controller in my hand and away from my PC.

Controllers are definitely better for some games (eg fighters, driving), possibly better for others, but opinions vary here (eg platformers, 3rd person adventure games like Batman) and without a doubt worse for others (eg shooters, strategy games).

Played a bit on friends xbox (i'm pc)....I think I would need to be reborn and start playing games again from scratch in order to learn how to play FPS on a controller.

Xboxers, PS3ers I salute you.

[INVADERONE]

RedJohn wrote...

BIOFAN wrote...

because they are cheating with the reload cancel thing. yes it is a mechanic in the game but its not supposed to be activated by the use of medigel lol

That can be done on console 

Yup Yup. My buddy RedJohn is right and not its not cheating. Reload canceling happens even when you dont try to do it. For example, you are shooting an enemy and start reloading only to realize that you have to dodge the next enemy so you do...that simple dodge canceled your reload animation...that's reload canceling also...soooooo. Not its not cheating just the way the game works.

[Caineghis2500]

Grinch57 wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

damn i need more pop corn. Hold on a sec...

Well, you certainly got some energetic responses.  

I'm on PC, though not an elite gamer.  But I will provide a response, since you solicited one from all (thank you).

I think mostly it is what some have said, that it is easier to do a video on PC than Xbox or PS3.  Vids from Upinya Slayin, your vid, others, all show it can be done, but I think the equipment and knowledge to do so is more limited on console.

LadyNemsis just put out a duo vid, she asked for help from someone, since she could not do it herself (otherwise it probably would have been a solo run, but that is just my guess).  She is on Xbox and her rep is awesome, so it had nothing to do with game playing skills, but more with having the right equipment to do the video.

But as you say, great excuse for popcorn.  Have fun.

I was the one that did the duo with her and posted the video 

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par caineghis2500, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:29 .

[GriM_AoD]

Key mapping, mouse, being able to look about AND sprint.
And the most likely reason, it's significantly easier for PC players to record their games.

[Caineghis2500]

INVADERONE wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

Razerath wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

Razerath wrote...

FTL, score hardly matters. I'm still not quite sure in which way you believe it does. If you want to prove to me that you are good in the slightest, post a sub 12 minute run on Goddess. Use the best PC players you can find?

Good luck.

What I am saying you console ME3 experts would not even survive platinum on your first trys on PC playing with a 360 controller. Anyone who can do a Platinum solo on PC with a 360 controller I will declare him god of this game. The ME3 on PC is much harder which is all I am saying and the PC gamers are trained at a higher difficulty of ME3 and as a result are much better overall and combine that with years and years of fast paced hardcore shooter experience and you have a recipe for the most skilled players on the planet who can set amazing times even with a higher difficulty PC version.

I am very familiar with PC gaming and first person shooters. Roots man, roots. I've also seen ME3 MP played on PC and to be honest, it wasn't quite as you describe. No matter how "crisp" it can get, good tactics are good tactics.

In a roundabout way are you saying that playing on console is easier? That is just not true if that is what you are saying. Your turning speed witchcraft, faster loading times and not-so-laggy/glitchy ( better frame rate ) matches are a much better advantage than Xbox's auto-swarmer-kill, lame camera and damn heavy servers.

What I am saying you Xbox 360 elite gamers should give the PC version a try with a 360 controller and then u will understand what I am saying. I never said playing the 360 version was easy I said the PC version is much harder to play with a 360 controller than it is to play the 360 version with a 360 controller. Sorry for not being clear enough. PC version is programmed to be much harder so that the PC controls do not destroy the AI easily. Do you understand, Bioware made the PC version harder so that we felt equally challenged as the console gamers with their limited controls.

hmmm this post is misleading. at first it seems as though yer not talking down to us and everything is cool but if i really think about it, you are subliminally establishing pc superiority with that comment

Don't think too much it is what it says the PC version is clearly much harder then the console version if both are played with the same 360 controller. All the AI enemies receive a huge buff in their skills department. PC Phantoms never touch the ground sometimes and PC Banshees:alien: move faster and constantly without stopping untill either they are dead or we are. All the weak enemies are much eviler ,more athletic, more accurate and do more damage. Even Geth Turrets can remove a krogans shield in seconds and a nemesis will always remove the whole shield of almost any character with cyclonic modulator IV with 1 shot.

Ummmm. I realize Im late to this thread but I didnt even realize I was named in it.... Caineghis?  LOL. What are you getting me into?



In regards to this I just recently purchased the pc version of the game and have been playing it and I would disagree that the enemies are harder on pc. It all seemed the same in matter of fact. I have only played up to Gold not Platinum yet but....I dont see any difference. The enemies seem to be the same on consolve and pc.

I like both the console and pc players and hope to get in a few more games with pc players also as I plan to continue playing pc a few times a week. In regards to the advantages/disadvantages it seems that the precision of the mouse is a huge advantage over console players but movement seems to be a bigger advantage on the console. This is the major difference I have noticed. In the console we are used to using cover, bobbing and weaving, rolling etc but on the pc from what I have seen so far the gamer's style is very different. Im new to pc so far so this is the most I have noticed but so far from what I can tell the difficulty is the same.

Knowing Caineghis2500 I am pretty sure he didnt want to create a troll post. I have noticed the same thing on my solo's. I dont do solo's for time as that is not my present challenge. I presently use my solo's as a means to provide a tutorial/guide to the ME3 players but I do get comparison's to pc speed runs which....make no sense. My Batarian Soldier solo got compared to xcal's Kroguard speed run on Glacier...I was like huhhhhh? wuuutt? My title clearly said "tutorial" and they were two totally different characters and I never even went for a speed run....the words "speed" and "run" or "time" where never on the title or description. Weird but to me its also a good thing. It means people are enjoying the game and enjoy watching ME3 videos. This helps us get more DLC as more people play etc. Anyways, sorry for the long explanation but I didnt even realize I was named here. LOL. So..... yeah.... pc & console...we are brothers.

[FasterThanFTL]

INVADERONE wrote...

K_Os2 wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Razerath wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...


What I am saying you Xbox 360 elite gamers should give the PC version a try with a 360 controller and then u will understand what I am saying. I never said playing the 360 version was easy I said the PC version is much harder to play with a 360 controller than it is to play the 360 version with a 360 controller. Sorry for not being clear enough. PC version is programmed to be much harder so that the PC controls do not destroy the AI easily. Do you understand, Bioware made the PC version harder so that we felt equally challenged as the console gamers with their limited controls.

You're serious? Is this an actual thing? I don't believe it at all.

[CITATION NEEDED] my good friend.

No, I think there is some truth to it everytime I watch an Xbox gold run I can't help wonder if they are playing silver, usu. the things that I note are fewer enemies that spawn at a single time, AI is not as aggressives sometime actually allowing think to think instead of split second decisions.

This is the opposite impression for me. Whe playing pc it seems pretty much the same. When I have looked at pc solo's I think ...what? On Console those enemies do a lot more than that. Weird. I guess its a poiint of view. Bioware has not said anything in relation. From playing pc I dont really see the difference though. The enemies seem the same.

Try playing the PC version Gold with a 360 controller and with randoms and not ME3 MP masters like RedJohn and then give your impressions about the difficulty on both 360 and PC. You say you have not tried PC Platinum, how about you try that with a 360 controller also then say with a straight face that the PC version is the same difficulty as the 360 version's Platinum.

[Immaculate J]

1. Vidding on Pc is easier
2. You can actually change you sensitivity from ****** slow on pc

[UpirNoir]

Without wanting to rip or insult consoles: The controls !
Especially with Shooter Games Mouse+Keyboard will always own Gamepads. There are Genres where Gamepads actually are the much better option, but Shooter are not it !

RedJohn wrote...

The answer is very simple: Because we are the master race.

Of course, there also is that :D:D

Modifié par UpirNoir, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:41 .

[Caineghis2500]

hmmm interesting comments lolz

[Caineghis2500]

RedJohn wrote...

The answer is very simple: Because we are the master race.

lol

[Xetto]

Good craftmanship requires good tools, people dont care about what platform you use, they just wanna see the best.
Same reasons theres no steamengines in formula 1.
If you cant do good enough to impress, on a console, time to get a better tool than that.

Modifié par Tecco, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:36 .

[INVADERONE]

FasterThanFTL wrote...

INVADERONE wrote...

K_Os2 wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Razerath wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...


What I am saying you Xbox 360 elite gamers should give the PC version a try with a 360 controller and then u will understand what I am saying. I never said playing the 360 version was easy I said the PC version is much harder to play with a 360 controller than it is to play the 360 version with a 360 controller. Sorry for not being clear enough. PC version is programmed to be much harder so that the PC controls do not destroy the AI easily. Do you understand, Bioware made the PC version harder so that we felt equally challenged as the console gamers with their limited controls.

You're serious? Is this an actual thing? I don't believe it at all.

[CITATION NEEDED] my good friend.

No, I think there is some truth to it everytime I watch an Xbox gold run I can't help wonder if they are playing silver, usu. the things that I note are fewer enemies that spawn at a single time, AI is not as aggressives sometime actually allowing think to think instead of split second decisions.

This is the opposite impression for me. Whe playing pc it seems pretty much the same. When I have looked at pc solo's I think ...what? On Console those enemies do a lot more than that. Weird. I guess its a poiint of view. Bioware has not said anything in relation. From playing pc I dont really see the difference though. The enemies seem the same.

Try playing the PC version Gold with a 360 controller and with randoms and not ME3 MP masters like RedJohn and then give your impressions about the difficulty on both 360 and PC. You say you have not tried PC Platinum, how about you try that with a 360 controller also then say with a straight face that the PC version is the same difficulty as the 360 version's Platinum.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Lucky me I had an early break from work today. I still have to get back to it but I just purchased the Xbox 360 controller for Windows. From what I hear Im supposed to download xpadder? I will configure and see if what you say is correct.

[FasterThanFTL]

INVADERONE wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

INVADERONE wrote...

K_Os2 wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Razerath wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...


What I am saying you Xbox 360 elite gamers should give the PC version a try with a 360 controller and then u will understand what I am saying. I never said playing the 360 version was easy I said the PC version is much harder to play with a 360 controller than it is to play the 360 version with a 360 controller. Sorry for not being clear enough. PC version is programmed to be much harder so that the PC controls do not destroy the AI easily. Do you understand, Bioware made the PC version harder so that we felt equally challenged as the console gamers with their limited controls.

You're serious? Is this an actual thing? I don't believe it at all.

[CITATION NEEDED] my good friend.

No, I think there is some truth to it everytime I watch an Xbox gold run I can't help wonder if they are playing silver, usu. the things that I note are fewer enemies that spawn at a single time, AI is not as aggressives sometime actually allowing think to think instead of split second decisions.

This is the opposite impression for me. Whe playing pc it seems pretty much the same. When I have looked at pc solo's I think ...what? On Console those enemies do a lot more than that. Weird. I guess its a poiint of view. Bioware has not said anything in relation. From playing pc I dont really see the difference though. The enemies seem the same.

Try playing the PC version Gold with a 360 controller and with randoms and not ME3 MP masters like RedJohn and then give your impressions about the difficulty on both 360 and PC. You say you have not tried PC Platinum, how about you try that with a 360 controller also then say with a straight face that the PC version is the same difficulty as the 360 version's Platinum.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Lucky me I had an early break from work today. I still have to get back to it but I just purchased the Xbox 360 controller for Windows. From what I hear Im supposed to download xpadder? I will configure and see if what you say is correct.

Please be honest about it and take a screenshot of the scoreboard for analysis and even better would be if you recorded a video.

[Feneckus]

 Honestly I don't even know how console players can have a decent game. How are you supposed to aim without a mouse ? Can you get headshot after headshot with a Saber/Crusader ? There's no way I'd be able to do that with a controller.

[INVADERONE]

FasterThanFTL wrote...

INVADERONE wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...

INVADERONE wrote...

K_Os2 wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Razerath wrote...

FasterThanFTL wrote...


What I am saying you Xbox 360 elite gamers should give the PC version a try with a 360 controller and then u will understand what I am saying. I never said playing the 360 version was easy I said the PC version is much harder to play with a 360 controller than it is to play the 360 version with a 360 controller. Sorry for not being clear enough. PC version is programmed to be much harder so that the PC controls do not destroy the AI easily. Do you understand, Bioware made the PC version harder so that we felt equally challenged as the console gamers with their limited controls.

You're serious? Is this an actual thing? I don't believe it at all.

[CITATION NEEDED] my good friend.

No, I think there is some truth to it everytime I watch an Xbox gold run I can't help wonder if they are playing silver, usu. the things that I note are fewer enemies that spawn at a single time, AI is not as aggressives sometime actually allowing think to think instead of split second decisions.

This is the opposite impression for me. Whe playing pc it seems pretty much the same. When I have looked at pc solo's I think ...what? On Console those enemies do a lot more than that. Weird. I guess its a poiint of view. Bioware has not said anything in relation. From playing pc I dont really see the difference though. The enemies seem the same.

Try playing the PC version Gold with a 360 controller and with randoms and not ME3 MP masters like RedJohn and then give your impressions about the difficulty on both 360 and PC. You say you have not tried PC Platinum, how about you try that with a 360 controller also then say with a straight face that the PC version is the same difficulty as the 360 version's Platinum.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED! Lucky me I had an early break from work today. I still have to get back to it but I just purchased the Xbox 360 controller for Windows. From what I hear Im supposed to download xpadder? I will configure and see if what you say is correct.

Please be honest about it and take a screenshot of the scoreboard for analysis and even better would be if you recorded a video.

Oh of course man. I wouldnt try to fib it or dumb it down. no worries.

I dont have capture device for pc though. I would love to try a video. I can take pics with my iphone though and post that. I have to figure out this controller and xpadder.... hope its not too hard to figure out. 

I would ask someone here to record it but your challenge is for me to play it with pugs and I dont have a capture device on my pc.... I'll just take pics and post that. Also....can someone teach me how to upoad pics to this forum? I cant for the life of me figure out how to insert a pic in a post. I just took a pic of the controller I just bought to show my buddy here that I got it but....darn....just cant figure it out. Is it the BBCode button?

[DopedGoat84]

I played counter-strike from its original beta 5.2 up until 1.4 and aiming with a mouse using WASD for movement is far easier than doing both with just your thumbs.

PC can mod/remap their keys, their turning circle is far superior and they can easily reload cancel pressing medi gel..

We can't do any of this, thus instantly making the game harder for us.


For a short time I can play claw on the xbox and its so much better, but after an hour or so I need to take a break from it and go back to the standard grip.

[Feneckus]

INVADERONE wrote...


I dont have capture device for pc though. I would love to try a video. I can take pics with my iphone though and post that. I have to figure out this controller and xpadder.... hope its not too hard to figure out. 

I would ask someone here to record it but your challenge is for me to play it with pugs and I dont have a capture device on my pc.... I'll just take pics and post that. Also....can someone teach me how to upoad pics to this forum? I cant for the life of me figure out how to insert a pic in a post. I just took a pic of the controller I just bought to show my buddy here that I got it but....darn....just cant figure it out. Is it the BBCode button?

1. You don't need anything to make vids on a pc. Just download fraps.

2. [ IMG ] url [ / IMG ]

[FasterThanFTL]

Feneckus wrote...

INVADERONE wrote...


I dont have capture device for pc though. I would love to try a video. I can take pics with my iphone though and post that. I have to figure out this controller and xpadder.... hope its not too hard to figure out. 

I would ask someone here to record it but your challenge is for me to play it with pugs and I dont have a capture device on my pc.... I'll just take pics and post that. Also....can someone teach me how to upoad pics to this forum? I cant for the life of me figure out how to insert a pic in a post. I just took a pic of the controller I just bought to show my buddy here that I got it but....darn....just cant figure it out. Is it the BBCode button?

1. You don't need anything to make vids on a pc. Just download fraps.

2. [ IMG ] url [ / IMG ]

This:wizard::

http://www.fraps.com/

Modifié par FasterThanFTL, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:59 .

[Caineghis2500]

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