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[Xenharmonic]

Before playing the Mass Effect series, I wasn't totally comfortable with the concept of masculinity.

I'm an 18 year old male, and I know it sounds stupid— but during my childhood I was bombarded with feminist ideals.
Gender equality is an issue focused on heavily in our society, sometimes to a ridiculous extent.

People irrationally harbor a resentment for masculinity.

But male strength, speed and efficiency are perfectly natural.
Men naturally walk and move in a way that is masculine (by definition of the word.)

Is this a negative thing? Not at all!

The powerful, muscular male physique is something to be celebrated, not embarassed by!

Watching the portrayal of Commander Shepard, and listening to the strong, resonant voice of Mark Meer helped me realise the value of masculinity.

And do you know what's funny? In some ways, the female figures in Mass Effect enhanced my appreciciation of feminine qualities.
Go Mass Effect ^^.

Modifié par Xenharmonic, 20 septembre 2012 - 10:29 .

[Andy the Black]

You know Shep can be a woman as well right?

That said I don't really see anything wrong with being a manly-man to a point, but there comes a time when male posturing can just turn into being a douchebag. Equally, there is nothing wrong with being "not manly". I never saw Shep as the Arnie type but I he wasn't exactly Gok Wan either. It's very possible that ones perception of Shep is coloured by paragon/renegade choices, other dialogue options made in game, and your own perceptions of what is manly.

Modifié par Andy the Black, 19 septembre 2012 - 11:48 .

[Esoretal]

Feminist ideals aren't against masculinity. They're against the concept of femininity as a weakness. There's nothing wrong with masculinity.

The resentment of masculinity is tied to the idea that in order for something to be masculine, it has to reject the feminine. You don't have to support one while rejecting the other. Both are something to be celebrated, for their own qualities, and they can (and often do) both exist in the same person.

I'm glad that ME helped you appreciate masculinity more, though. I know that FemShep had a similar inspiring effect on me. She's both masculine and feminine, and does it well!

Modifié par Esoretal, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:04 .

[Xenharmonic]

Esoretal wrote...

Feminist ideals aren't against masculinity. They're against the concept of femininity as a weakness. There's nothing wrong with masculinity.

The resentment of masculinity is tied to the idea that in order for something to be masculine, it has to reject the feminine. You don't have to support one while rejecting the other. Both are something to be celebrated, for their own qualities, and they can (and often do) both exist in the same person.

I'm glad that ME helped you appreciate masculinity more, though. I know that FemShep had a similar inspiring effect on me. She's both masculine and feminine, and does it well!

Some feminists certainly take things too far though.

I totally agree that the natural characteristics of women are beautiful and to be celebrated.

Finally, no offense to female Shepard fans, but Mark Meer is WAY better than Jennifer Hale.

Modifié par Xenharmonic, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:16 .

[Esoretal]

Xenharmonic wrote...

Esoretal wrote...

Feminist ideals aren't against masculinity. They're against the concept of femininity as a weakness. There's nothing wrong with masculinity.

The resentment of masculinity is tied to the idea that in order for something to be masculine, it has to reject the feminine. You don't have to support one while rejecting the other. Both are something to be celebrated, for their own qualities, and they can (and often do) both exist in the same person.

I'm glad that ME helped you appreciate masculinity more, though. I know that FemShep had a similar inspiring effect on me. She's both masculine and feminine, and does it well!

Some feminists certainly take things too far though.

I totally agree that the natural characteristics of women are also beautiful and to be celebrated.

Finally, no offense to female Shepard fans, but Mark Meer is WAY better than Jennifer Hale.

Haha, that's true. There are people who take things to extremes on both sides, it gets pretty nuts.

I personally prefer Hale's acting to Meer's. To each their own opinion.

[crimzontearz]

Meer is better than Hale because hale tries WAAAAAAAY too hard to have a "grrr I am badass, as badass as any male" voice. Compare her to Grey Delisle who sounds threatening and badass while still sounding feminine and alluring even while talking about torturing you.

[RogueBot]

You'd realize the value of it eventually, anyway. Probably when/if you went to college. Girls just generally prefer masculine guys.

Sorry you grew up with that kind of attitude around you, though. That sucks.

Modifié par RogueBot, 19 septembre 2012 - 12:30 .

[simonrana]

crimzontearz wrote...

Meer is better than Hale because hale tries WAAAAAAAY too hard to have a "grrr I am badass, as badass as any male" voice. Compare her to Grey Delisle who sounds threatening and badass while still sounding feminine and alluring even while talking about torturing you.

A fellow Avatar fan? Grey Delisle's the only voice actor's name I know other than Meer/Hale thanks to the insane awesomeness that is Azula!

[xxskyshadowxx]

Xenharmonic wrote...

Esoretal wrote...

Feminist ideals aren't against masculinity. They're against the concept of femininity as a weakness. There's nothing wrong with masculinity.

The resentment of masculinity is tied to the idea that in order for something to be masculine, it has to reject the feminine. You don't have to support one while rejecting the other. Both are something to be celebrated, for their own qualities, and they can (and often do) both exist in the same person.

I'm glad that ME helped you appreciate masculinity more, though. I know that FemShep had a similar inspiring effect on me. She's both masculine and feminine, and does it well!

Some feminists certainly take things too far though.

I totally agree that the natural characteristics of women are beautiful and to be celebrated.

Finally, no offense to female Shepard fans, but Mark Meer is WAY better than Jennifer Hale.

If by too far you mean directing unfounded negativity to the male gender "because feminism," then that person isn't a feminist at all. That person is a chauvinist; they unfortunately exist in both genders.

I preferred Jennifer Hale to Mark Meer personally, but that doesn't mean that Mark Meer did a bad job at all, in fact his performance in ME3 was one of his best. I perhaps like Hale's performance better simply because I identify with the female Shepard more, being a female player and all. Then again, there are female players who hated her voice acting...so I dunno. Both actors grew into the character quite well.

[crimzontearz]

well she plays a truckload of roles tho Azula is awesome (and sexy even tho I know she is jail bait....god I am going to hell). She also plays Nassana Dantius in Mass Effect. One of the companions in DA:A

I could have mentioned Jen Taylor too, the voice of Cortana. She is always warm, sassy and feminine but have you heard her when she plays a pissed off Cortana?

[BaladasDemnevanni]

crimzontearz wrote...

I could have mentioned Jen Taylor too, the voice of Cortana. She is always warm, sassy and feminine but have you heard her when she plays a pissed off Cortana?

She's absolutely fantastic.

[arial]

OP = Troll

[crimzontearz]

@ Baldas

Cortana: I will not......allow you.....to leave....This.......PLANEEEEEET



she is so goddamn amazing

[Xenharmonic]

RogueBot wrote...

You'd realize the value of it eventually, anyway. Probably when/if you went to college. Girls just generally prefer masculine guys.

Sorry you grew up with that kind of attitude around you, though. That sucks.

Meh I'm a white male living in Australia, I seriously can't complain lol.
I know the value of masculinity may seem obvious, but I feel Mass Effect has a unique and interesting way of portraying it.
Cheers to the excellent writers and voice actors behind characters like Shepard and Garrus.

[Discouraged_one]

The one thing I cant complain about is the voice acting in the ME franchise. Its all top notch and reflects perfectly on the vast majority of characters!

There is that one part though...STTTTEEEEVVVVEEEEE!! XD

[arial]

only thing the OP is trying to do is get a rise out of female gamers

[crimzontearz]

Discouraged_one wrote...The one thing I cant complain about is the voice acting in the ME franchise. Its all top notch and reflects perfectly on the vast majority of characters!There is that one part though...STTTTEEEEVVVVEEEEE!! XD

I never really like EDI's performance.....but that was not the voice actor's fault

[shepskisaac]

Just remember that there's nothing wrong with femininity and it's all gonna be good.

[JimJamBimBam]

Good for you, OP. Just don't become sexist.

[Andy the Black]

RogueBot wrote...

You'd realize the value of it eventually, anyway. Probably when/if you went to college. Girls just generally prefer masculine guys.

Sorry you grew up with that kind of attitude around you, though. That sucks.

What? Sorry dude, but there is just so much wrong with this.

[fil009]

I know a funny story. Female tennis players complained they aren't paid equally as the male players. Male tennis players have to play best of 5 sets, women only play best of 3 sets. I laugh at this stupid complaint about something being unequal when it should be.

[KiwiQuiche]

....do you even know what feminism is? Sounds like you got attacked by extremeists who didn't know what is was either.

And Fil009 oddly enough I agee; want equal pay then do equal work. As it should be.

[Dmthoth]

So is this something about... coming out? Congrats!

[JimJamBimBam]

Xenharmonic wrote...

Watching the portrayal of Commander Shepard, and listening to the strong, resonant voice of Mark Meer helped me realise the value of masculinity.

This reminds a hell of a lot of a message that I received from a salarian after completing Thane's loyalty mission... you know, that one where he says that the elegance with which Thane moved awoke something inside him that made him want to buy nice clothes?

Modifié par JimJamBimBam, 19 septembre 2012 - 01:34 .

[Andy the Black]

fil009 wrote...

I know a funny story. Female tennis players complained they aren't paid equally as the male players. Male tennis players have to play best of 5 sets, women only play best of 3 sets. I laugh at this stupid complaint about something being unequal when it should be.

Aragh! Don't get me started on this. Tennis is pretty much the only sport I love, and this gets and me a little bit. Some say it's not an issue of sets played but you tell that to a dude who's just played 5 hours against Rafa. He's gonna feel broken in comparison to a female player who would have only played 3 hours. Whats more is that because women play less they can enter more competitions in a tournament such as playing in the singles, doubles, and mixed doubles, where most male professional tennis players will only play in one.