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[GreyReaver]

Xenharmonic wrote...


Before playing the Mass Effect series, I wasn't totally comfortable with the concept of masculinity.

I'm an 18 year old male, and I know it sounds stupid— but during my childhood I was bombarded with feminist ideals.
Gender equality is an issue focused on heavily in our society, sometimes to a ridiculous extent.

People irrationally harbor a resentment for masculinity.

But male strength, speed and efficiency are perfectly natural.
Men naturally walk and move in a way that is masculine (by definition of the word.)

Is this a negative thing? Not at all!

The powerful, muscular male physique is something to be celebrated, not embarassed by!

Watching the portrayal of Commander Shepard, and listening to the strong, resonant voice of Mark Meer helped me realise the value of masculinity.

You are on the right track.  Now go watch "Fight Club" 100x or until you can recite every line forwards and backwards

[chuckles471]

[AllegedVixEo]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

AllegedVixEo wrote...


You do know that you are wrong, right?  I pay taxes, I deserve to be able to fair treatment in healthcare when it comes to decisions about my body.  Congress recently tried to pass the "Let Women Die" law but I think Obama put the kabash on it.  This law stated that abortions would not be performed at certain hospitals, even if the woman's life was immediately at stake, and that the hospital was in by no means obligated to transfer the patient to another institution where she could receive the care THAT COULD SAVE HER LIFE.  That is what is hellish and disgusting.  What if it was your daughter?

To boot, if contraceptives were covered under all health plans, then you wouldn't have as many single mothers to turn your nose up at in the grocery store.  I don't know how you can sleep at night with such a complex, you do realize that it takes two people to make a baby, right?  It's not like these abhoring women that you so disdain just summon the baby stork to drop one off so they can get a bigger welfare check.  Men, who choose to take no responsibility for there actions and who get away with it because of people like you who placate them, help to create single mothers and bastard children too.  And what about the single mother's who's husbands die, say, defending our country?  Are they not deserving of some kind of help them and there baby, while they look for a job and adjust to their new life, or do you have no compassion for these people either?

Lastly, you can't seriously pin the generational poverty that we find in the ghettos and slums on women, that is a product of society.  A society that is biggoted against women and various races, a society who believes that certain groups of people have social superiority, and a society that creates ineffective social programs due to a lack of funding, empathy, vision and the above mentioned biggotry.  A society that you seem to fit pretty well in, but don't be surprised when many of us scream from the roof tops because this is not my society.  I pay my taxes, I am a home owner, I pay for all of my insurance, I work and I have just as much say as much right as anyone else to be treated fairly.  Case and point.

Religious hospitals opposed to abortion have every right to deny providing one. You don't like go somewhere else.

Contraception is already cheap and widely available. If you can't afford condoms or birth control you shouldn't be screwing.

I can tell you live nowhere near the ghetto. Only someone like that can have such a positive spin on the vile and disgusting people that reside there. A poverty entirely self made due to lack of values not because of racism or some other drivel.

When I wasn't living in the middle east with my military parents, I grew up in the suburbs.  It was very segregated from low income people, but as soon as I could afford it I got the hell out of there and  moved to a rural farming city, largely made up of immigrant farm workers, middle class farm owners, and hard working folk.  While there is a large gap between the people who make the highest income and the lowest income, there isn't much proximal separation between the two. I like the fact that I live around people from all walks of life, and I've learned not to bite my tongue when people are tactless and rude to others less fortunate than they are for whatever the reason.

I've also worked with female drug offenders who were just released from prison into a residential drug treatment program after serving prison sentences, and I was exposed to people from the ghetto as well as the middle class who were all going through the same thing despite their difference in their upbringings and environment.  Shocking, I know.

I guess you probably figure I am one of those useless social workers that you mentioned before, and while I do have my Master's degree in Human Services, I work in the private sector.  I report directly to the CEO of a company, and work with men in positions of power every day and know what kind of a wrap women get in a lot of these workplaces.  In fact, my former boss/personal mentor, a Senior Vice President and a woman to boot, was fired from her job.  She was the strongest leader I've ever met and she was turned into a scape goat and canned because she made a small group of men really uncomfortable.  I watched the whole thing go down over the course of several months.

But alas, I guess the only information you really need to be able to judge what I do and do not know, is that I can afford my own abortion.

Modifié par AllegedVixEo, 20 septembre 2012 - 03:09 .

[Hey]

mayrabgood wrote...

chuckles471 wrote...

Lefties think people on the right are dicks.

Righties think people on the left are dicks.

When will they ever learn....

I know!

Don't they realize that the dicks are always somewhere in the middle

LOL.  "yes gary..." 

[Eterna]

IsaacShep wrote...


One of the biggest idiots I've ever came across

I told you he was an idiot. 

[Hey]

Eterna5 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...


One of the biggest idiots I've ever came across

I told you he was an idiot. 

Hes not an idiot.  But seems misguided...

[AlanC9]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

This thread is quite lulz inducing.

Yep. I'm just glad Isaac's been giving Binary more rope.

At the risk of contaminating the thread with seriousness, has anyone else noticed that conservatives tend to be more likely to have a problem with ME3?

[Hudathan]

AlanC9 wrote...

At the risk of contaminating the thread with seriousness, has anyone else noticed that conservatives tend to be more likely to have a problem with ME3?

Just unreasonable people, I don't care for any other label.

[GreyLycanTrope]

AlanC9 wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

This thread is quite lulz inducing.

Yep. I'm just glad Isaac's been giving Binary more rope.

At the risk of contaminating the thread with seriousness, has anyone else noticed that conservatives tend to be more likely to have a problem with ME3?

You'd be wrong in my case

[Xenharmonic]

GreyReaver wrote...

Xenharmonic wrote...


Before playing the Mass Effect series, I wasn't totally comfortable with the concept of masculinity.

I'm an 18 year old male, and I know it sounds stupid— but during my childhood I was bombarded with feminist ideals.
Gender equality is an issue focused on heavily in our society, sometimes to a ridiculous extent.

People irrationally harbor a resentment for masculinity.

But male strength, speed and efficiency are perfectly natural.
Men naturally walk and move in a way that is masculine (by definition of the word.)

Is this a negative thing? Not at all!

The powerful, muscular male physique is something to be celebrated, not embarassed by!

Watching the portrayal of Commander Shepard, and listening to the strong, resonant voice of Mark Meer helped me realise the value of masculinity.

You are on the right track.  Now go watch "Fight Club" 100x or until you can recite every line forwards and backwards

Hi guys! Thanks for your discussion.

Fight Club's portrayal of masculinity was disgusting. Senseless violence and destruction.

I quote, as the main character decimates the face of that blonde kid:
"I felt like destroying something beautiful"

This is the kind of attitude that promotes anti-male bigotry.

I mean, that is, if you take Fight Club seriously, which obviously isn't what's intended XD. 

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

That's the philosophical difference between us Issac. I believe human nature is largely fixed and unchangeable. That there are real differences between people across racial, gender, and class divides. This was understood for nearly all of human history until recently when hard truths were discarded in favor of protecting people's feelings. Society has grown too soft.

This is partly the truth whether people like it or not.
I say partly because I don't think human nature is "largely fixed and unchangeable".
I very much agree that there are strong trends related to race, gender and class.
But some people DO deviate greatly from these trends and we should show respect to them.

Still, the trends are important and should be acknowledged. Tolkien knew this, Frank Herbert knew this, and the writers of Mass Effect know this.

Modifié par Xenharmonic, 20 septembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[BSpud]

What vile, noxious, hellish orifice vomited out this Binary_Helix fella onto my planet and internets?

[AllegedVixEo]

This is partly the truth whether people like it or not.
I say partly because I don't think human nature is "largely fixed and unchangeable".
I very much agree that there are strong trends related to race, gender and class.
But some people DO deviate greatly from these trends and we should show respect to them.

Still, the trends are important and should be acknowledged. Tolkien knew this, Frank Herbert knew this, and the writers of Mass Effect know this.

Were we playing the same game?  The writers of ME put a lot of time into illustrating that the Quarians were *wrongly and unjustly* stereotyped as second class citizens...  They put plenty of effort into the equality for AI story line too..  ME certainly had undertones of inequalities amongst various species but not to show that stereotypes imposed upon the characters were actually true..  They were illustrating the dangers of ignorance, and did so by creating a universe, like the world we live in, where civil rights is a current event.  And contrary to your statement above, all people deserve respect, not just the ones that you deem to be exceptional.

[KiwiQuiche]

Wow, derailed....


And I see many people are feeding today.

[Oni Changas]

Page 8.

Yet calling someone a fanboy gets you banned.

k mods

[HiddenInWar]

AlanC9 wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

This thread is quite lulz inducing.

Yep. I'm just glad Isaac's been giving Binary more rope.

At the risk of contaminating the thread with seriousness, has anyone else noticed that conservatives tend to be more likely to have a problem with ME3?

I didn't notice that. 

And I honestly would have a hard time decoding that anyhow.

[Xenharmonic]

AllegedVixEo wrote...

This is partly the truth whether people like it or not.
I say partly because I don't think human nature is "largely fixed and unchangeable".
I very much agree that there are strong trends related to race, gender and class.
But some people DO deviate greatly from these trends and we should show respect to them.

Still, the trends are important and should be acknowledged. Tolkien knew this, Frank Herbert knew this, and the writers of Mass Effect know this.

Were we playing the same game?  The writers of ME put a lot of time into illustrating that the Quarians were *wrongly and unjustly* stereotyped as second class citizens...  They put plenty of effort into the equality for AI story line too..  ME certainly had undertones of inequalities amongst various species but not to show that stereotypes imposed upon the characters were actually true..  They were illustrating the dangers of ignorance, and did so by creating a universe, like the world we live in, where civil rights is a current event.  And contrary to your statement above, all people deserve respect, not just the ones that you deem to be exceptional.

What? Why do all people deserve respect?
The Quarians were EXTREMELY smart and capable. Not sure why they should be classified as second class citizens—
the migrant fleet does tend to leave a mess in its wake... which is part of the reason systems aren't thrilled to have them passing through.
Mass Effect is riddled with elitism, and i'm very glad for it. As I said, so is LoTR and Dune.

Most of the characters in ME are exceptional. That's part of what makes them so awesome.

Modifié par Xenharmonic, 20 septembre 2012 - 05:58 .

[MissMaster_2]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Basically your liberal utopia is depdent on taxing men to pay for women's lifestyle choices like.. single motherhood support.

This is the weirdest thing I have ever read.

Did I stumble into a troll thread? 

You're not from the USA. Here Maria and Shaniqua are popping out ten kids from ten different baby daddies all on benefits.

Maria=Latino
Shaniqua= Black.

Rasict as fuuuu.

Because you know, there are NO white women who do that stuff. 


How is this not locked yet?

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:10 .

[Oni Changas]

I'm libertarian and feel the RGB is a joke and the first coffin ail of ME. You don't have to be conservative to unaccept the endings. All you need is a functioning brain and cognitive thought about story and lore.

[MissMaster_2]

As a black woman I should be pissed off but this...is too damn funny. Also Binary_Helix 1 how much education do you have? 

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:17 .

[Binary_Helix 1]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

As a black woman I should be pissed off but this...is too damn funny. Also Binary_Helix 1 how much education do you have? 

Oh gawd credentialism. Remember what I said about social posturing before? This is how the leftist operates. Egalitarianism  until you challenge them in anyway. Then suddenly it's about how much better they are than you. It's really amusing.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:27 .

[MissMaster_2]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

As a black woman I should be pissed off but this...is too damn funny. Also Binary_Helix 1 how much education do you have? 

Oh gawd credentialism. Remember what I said about social posturing before? This is how the leftist operates. Egalitarianism  until you challenge them in anyway. Then suddenly it's about how much better they are than you. It's really amusing.

You not going to answer? Okay. I'm not a leftiest either but alright. No really, how much education do you have? I want to know. 

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:53 .

[Binary_Helix 1]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

As a black woman I should be pissed off but this...is too damn funny. Also Binary_Helix 1 how much education do you have? 

Oh gawd credentialism. Remember what I said about social posturing before? This is how the leftist operates. Egalitarianism  until you challenge them in anyway. Then suddenly it's about how much better they are than you. It's really amusing.

You not going to answer? Okay. I'm not a leftiest either but alright. No really, how much education do you have? I want to know. 

I don't have a phd in vaginal theory like you. Placing condoms on cucumbers actually passes as a graduate program now.

[clennon8]

This thread is every bit as stupid as I imagined it would be when I read the title.