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[ThaDPG]

AlanC9 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Synthesis is a critical mission failure.

Eye of the beholder.

Sorry, facts are not subjective material. The only way to make this claim is to reject the facts presented by the game.

Eye needs glasses.

But that's kind of the whole point of IT. The game is lying to you. Even the achievements and epilogue slides.

I always kind of thought the kid was lying to Shepard, since he insinuates that Shepard will die with the destroy option, since he himself is part synthetic, but as we've seen, he/she doesn't die.  Makes me wonder if the Geth and EDI really die too with that choice.

[Wayning_Star]

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Don't get me wrong, I like the concept of Synthesis. Just not in the Mass Effect Universe. At all. Ever.

Two reasons.

1) We're told time and time again that unity through diversity is the "true" path.
2) It's a solution to a problem that never existed. Until we see 100% proof that synthetics will always rebel against organics (preferably not just retro-active foreshadowing) then it remains to be complete and utter bollocks, imo.
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I'd like to see 100% proof of anything..lol I probably wouldn't believe it!! i.e. there isn't such a thing?

Isn't it usually synthetics rebel against unfairness, just like their creators would do? Geth got all uppity with Quarians when they decided to cut loose. And even gentle Edi(that name strikes of irony started out, when first sentient, fighting with Shepard just after taking over that moon base, only trying to get an act together..just after figuring out that she was...well..just 'WAS'.. what'a rush. Organics gets to grow some before they're  expected to be responsible for their actions..well, most,er.. many of them.

anyway, the strife is caused mainly for that lack of communication and most, probably, because even organics take existence for granted..?( and were here first so THERE!!

[teh DRUMPf!!]

ShepnTali wrote...

Nope. My mission was dead reapers.

Your arbitrary definition of mission success doesn't change the fact that Synthesis ends the war.

So again, if that's a failure to you, you need glasses - custom-made for the necessary thickness.

[ATiBotka]

ShepnTali wrote...

Nope. My mission was dead reapers.

My mission was to save the galaxy.

[ShepnTali]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Nope. My mission was dead reapers.

Your arbitrary definition of mission success doesn't change the fact that Synthesis ends the war.

So again, if that's a failure to you, you need glasses - custom-made for the necessary thickness.

Nope, dead reapers was my mission. Again. Eye of the beholder. Again.

[Jadebaby]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I like the concept of Synthesis. Just not in the Mass Effect Universe. At all. Ever.

Two reasons.

1) We're told time and time again that unity through diversity is the "true" path.
2) It's a solution to a problem that never existed. Until we see 100% proof that synthetics will always rebel against organics (preferably not just retro-active foreshadowing) then it remains to be complete and utter bollocks, imo.

I'd like to see 100% proof of anything..lol I probably wouldn't believe it!! i.e. there isn't such a thing?

Isn't it usually synthetics rebel against unfairness, just like their creators would do? Geth got all uppity with Quarians when they decided to cut loose. And even gentle Edi(that name strikes of irony started out, when first sentient, fighting with Shepard just after taking over that moon base, only trying to get an act together..just after figuring out that she was...well..just 'WAS'.. what'a rush. Organics gets to grow some before they're  expected to be responsible for their actions..well, most,er.. many of them.

anyway, the strife is caused mainly for that lack of communication and most, probably, because even organics take existence for granted..?( and were here first so THERE!!

(insert Billy Madison principle monologue here)

Geth did not get "all uppity" they defended themselves, after countless lives had already been lost because they didn't defend themselves, instead stood there asking "why do the creators do this?" before being rendered obselete. The fact they didn't pursue the Quarians disproves that Synthetics will always rebel against organics.

And no, they don't rebel against "unfairness", In Leviathan it was apparently the Leviathans themselves that prevented Synthetics and Organic harmony. Either because the Synthetics felt sorry for the "thralls" or because the Synthetics were wary of the Leviathans mind-control capabilities, fearing they may one day learn to control Synthetics as well. Who knows. All that is known however, is that it is NOT completely inevitable. Only that it is with Leviathans still around.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 19 septembre 2012 - 06:13 .

[Wayning_Star]

ThaDPG wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Synthesis is a critical mission failure.

Eye of the beholder.

Sorry, facts are not subjective material. The only way to make this claim is to reject the facts presented by the game.

Eye needs glasses.

But that's kind of the whole point of IT. The game is lying to you. Even the achievements and epilogue slides.

I always kind of thought the kid was lying to Shepard, since he insinuates that Shepard will die with the destroy option, since he himself is part synthetic, but as we've seen, he/she doesn't die.  Makes me wonder if the Geth and EDI really die too with that choice.

 the IT crowd are just trying to install their version of the game. The whole IT invention is just too engineered for me..taken from the whole cloth. It's a way to go, but I really think they are just fan trolls...that is, they are trying to see if they can indoctrinate the fans to their IT.

Besides, the game that takse folks off the 'beaten path' would REALLY make fans mad..so I doubt the gamemaker folks would be hip to it..it would make them look really silly too. It's just a game theory and a bit long in the tooth as well..i.e. boring to me..anyways.. boorish.. non starter.

I could see through it too much really..transparent, in the manner of it's base reality configuration. faked.. using stolen game props..

[jpraelster93]

If they make sythesis canon I will seriously never buy a bioware game AGAIN

[ThaDPG]

ATiBotka wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Nope. My mission was dead reapers.

My mission was to save the galaxy.

I'm not sure forcing a genetic change on every living being in the galaxy, organic and synthetic, counts as saving it.  And on top of that, there's billion year old mass murderers walking among everybody now.  Synthesis sounds great

[Applepie_Svk]

jpraelster93 wrote...

If they make sythesis canon I will seriously never buy a bioware game AGAIN

BUT SYNTHEZIZ IS INEVITABLEZ ! 
 DO YOU SIII I AM ALREADY GREEN !

[jpraelster93]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

If they make sythesis canon I will seriously never buy a bioware game AGAIN

BUT SYNTHEZIZ IS INEVITABLEZ ! 
 DO YOU SIII I AM ALREADY GREEN !

Lol but seriously destroy is the only way the reapers will strike again in the other 2 its inevitable

[iSousek]

Please do not turn this into another synthesis debate, there is enough of those already on BSN.

[jpraelster93]

iSousek wrote...

Please do not turn this into another synthesis debate, there is enough of those already on BSN.

But synthesis is awful

[ThaDPG]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I like the concept of Synthesis. Just not in the Mass Effect Universe. At all. Ever.

Two reasons.

1) We're told time and time again that unity through diversity is the "true" path.
2) It's a solution to a problem that never existed. Until we see 100% proof that synthetics will always rebel against organics (preferably not just retro-active foreshadowing) then it remains to be complete and utter bollocks, imo.

I'd like to see 100% proof of anything..lol I probably wouldn't believe it!! i.e. there isn't such a thing?

Isn't it usually synthetics rebel against unfairness, just like their creators would do? Geth got all uppity with Quarians when they decided to cut loose. And even gentle Edi(that name strikes of irony started out, when first sentient, fighting with Shepard just after taking over that moon base, only trying to get an act together..just after figuring out that she was...well..just 'WAS'.. what'a rush. Organics gets to grow some before they're  expected to be responsible for their actions..well, most,er.. many of them.

anyway, the strife is caused mainly for that lack of communication and most, probably, because even organics take existence for granted..?( and were here first so THERE!!

(insert Billy Madison principle monologue here)

Geth did not get "all uppity" they defended themselves, after countless lives had already been lost because they didn't defend themselves, instead stood there asking "why do the creators do this?" before being rendered obselete. The fact they didn't pursue the Quarians disproves that Synthetics will always rebel against organics.

And no, they don't rebel against "unfairness", In Leviathan it was apparently the Leviathans themselves that prevented Synthetics and Organic harmony. Either because the Synthetics felt sorry for the "thralls" or because the Synthetics were wary of the Leviathans mind-control capabilities, fearing they may one day learn to control Synthetics as well. Who knows. All that is known however, is that it is NOT completely inevitable. Only that it is with Leviathans still around.

It's also possible to create organic life in the MEU, like O'Keer did.  So wouldn't a created race of organics react pretty much the same way if they realized they were slaves for someone else all of a sudden?  Kinda blows the whole organics vs synthetics thing out of the water imo

[teh DRUMPf!!]

ShepnTali wrote...


Nope, dead reapers was my mission. Again. Eye of the beholder. Again.

Beholder doesn't get it. Dead Reapers is a means to the same end that Synthesis achieved.

Therein, it is not a failure in any sense of the word.

Again, 'only way to dispute this fact is to reject facts and be blind. Get thee to Lens Crafters.

[Vox Draco]

jpraelster93 wrote...

iSousek wrote...

Please do not turn this into another synthesis debate, there is enough of those already on BSN.

But synthesis is awful

Every sane persons knows that by now, no need to talk about it in every thread. The rest will learn it as well over time, I am sure. And yes, I am awfully arrogant with that point of view. Am I not lovely?

[ShepnTali]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...


Nope, dead reapers was my mission. Again. Eye of the beholder. Again.

Beholder doesn't get it. Dead Reapers is a means to the same end that Synthesis achieved.

Therein, it is not a failure in any sense of the word.

Again, 'only way to dispute this fact is to reject facts and be blind. Get thee to Lens Crafters.

My dead reaper mission was accomplished. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Wayning_Star wrote...

 the IT crowd are just trying to install their version of the game. The whole IT invention is just too engineered for me..taken from the whole cloth. It's a way to go, but I really think they are just fan trolls...that is, they are trying to see if they can indoctrinate the fans to their IT.

Besides, the game that takse folks off the 'beaten path' would REALLY make fans mad..so I doubt the gamemaker folks would be hip to it..it would make them look really silly too. It's just a game theory and a bit long in the tooth as well..i.e. boring to me..anyways.. boorish.. non starter.

I could see through it too much really..transparent, in the manner of it's base reality configuration. faked.. using stolen game props..

IT is not reason for choosing Destroy, it's rationaliszation for having chosen Destroy (or perhaps Refuse).

Proof that the Catalyst doesn't actually impact people's end-game decision: http://social.biowar...02/polls/37239/ .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Vox Draco wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

iSousek wrote...

Please do not turn this into another synthesis debate, there is enough of those already on BSN.

But synthesis is awful

Every sane persons knows that by now, no need to talk about it in every thread. The rest will learn it as well over time, I am sure. And yes, I am awfully arrogant with that point of view. Am I not lovely?

I am yet to hear any worthy argument from "sane persons" about how Synthesis is awful.

They amount to nothing more than a giant jump-to-conclusions mat, no logic/intellect.

[Kingthlayer]

If they do a Mass Effect 4, I predict it will take place a few hundred years after the ending of 3. The Reapers are destroyed. The genophage is cured but the Krogan obviously aren't peaceful. The Rachni are still alive and obviously they aren't peaceful either. And the rest of the races are involved in a war of some sorts.

We the player will be playing as some random human soldier(because BioWare is obsessed with Humans, as seen in Mass Effect 3 where Hackett is the second most important person in the galaxy when all he has really done is bother Shepard with side missions when he was trying to save the galaxy from Sovereign).

And of course Liara will be the main character in the next game, though not being able to play as her she will find a way to become more important than the player character.

[Wayning_Star]

[/quote]

I'd like to see 100% proof of anything..lol I probably wouldn't believe it!! i.e. there isn't such a thing?

Isn't it usually synthetics rebel against unfairness, just like their creators would do? Geth got all uppity with Quarians when they decided to cut loose. And even gentle Edi(that name strikes of irony started out, when first sentient, fighting with Shepard just after taking over that moon base, only trying to get an act together..just after figuring out that she was...well..just 'WAS'.. what'a rush. Organics gets to grow some before they're  expected to be responsible for their actions..well, most,er.. many of them.

anyway, the strife is caused mainly for that lack of communication and most, probably, because even organics take existence for granted..?( and were here first so THERE!! [/quote]

(insert Billy Madison principle monologue here)

Geth did not get "all uppity" they defended themselves, after countless lives had already been lost because they didn't defend themselves, instead stood there asking "why do the creators do this?" before being rendered obselete. The fact they didn't pursue the Quarians disproves that Synthetics will always rebel against organics.

And no, they don't rebel against "unfairness", In Leviathan it was apparently the Leviathans themselves that prevented Synthetics and Organic harmony. Either because the Synthetics felt sorry for the "thralls" or because the Synthetics were wary of the Leviathans mind-control capabilities, fearing they may one day learn to control Synthetics as well. Who knows. All that is known however, is that it is NOT completely inevitable. Only that it is with Leviathans still around.[/quote]

BUT, that doesn't mean that the Geth are an "all inclusive" example. Besides our version of events don't include all aspects of the situation when considering organics vs synthetics. The 'base' problems with it is the fact that they will compete if estranged. Apparently, organics need synthetics to evolve as well, require them to exist to serve their purposes...see the thread there?

If we have technology at the level in the MEU, we're stuck with either joining them or rejecting their presence completely. That's the trap we've laid as organics DEPENDENT on technology. Thats the idea of 'inevitability.

From organic to cyborg to synthesis...evolution of orgasyntha.  Two forces meeting in the middle?

The Leviathan are organic They are an apex race and, quite dangerous...probably toxic to all other lifeforms. The ultimate tool makers.

Bigger threat than even the most tyrannical synthetic beings... Synthesis would put quite a kink in their Apex raceness...as well.

[Vox Draco]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

I am yet to hear any worthy argument from "sane persons" about how Synthesis is awful.

They amount to nothing more than a giant jump-to-conclusions mat, no logic/intellect.

Yeah, yeah, whatever, that discussion train had left the building long ago and crashed horribly, taking all logic and intelect with it. Go on, return to the topic. Synthesis is great and all fitting ending to the franchise. Yeah.totally...

[Wayning_Star]

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

If they do a Mass Effect 4, I predict it will take place a few hundred years after the ending of 3. The Reapers are destroyed. The genophage is cured but the Krogan obviously aren't peaceful. The Rachni are still alive and obviously they aren't peaceful either. And the rest of the races are involved in a war of some sorts.

We the player will be playing as some random human soldier(because BioWare is obsessed with Humans, as seen in Mass Effect 3 where Hackett is the second most important person in the galaxy when all he has really done is bother Shepard with side missions when he was trying to save the galaxy from Sovereign).

And of course Liara will be the main character in the next game, though not being able to play as her she will find a way to become more important than the player character.

I think Javik will need to find lost comrades...and reinvent the Protheans, or mainly, find them. The Leviathan know where they're hiding out? Thralls? Some deserted island in space? Roughing it, no tech to speak of..out of sight of the Catalyst?

hmmm?

[AlanC9]

ThaDPG wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
But that's kind of the whole point of IT. The game is lying to you. Even the achievements and epilogue slides.

I always kind of thought the kid was lying to Shepard, since he insinuates that Shepard will die with the destroy option, since he himself is part synthetic, but as we've seen, he/she doesn't die.  Makes me wonder if the Geth and EDI really die too with that choice.

EDI's on the memorial wall. She's dead, Jim.

As for the geth -- if the geth are still alive in the other endings they show up in the slides. They don't show in Destroy. 

[Wayning_Star]

Vox Draco wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

I am yet to hear any worthy argument from "sane persons" about how Synthesis is awful.

They amount to nothing more than a giant jump-to-conclusions mat, no logic/intellect.

Yeah, yeah, whatever, that discussion train had left the building long ago and crashed horribly, taking all logic and intelect with it. Go on, return to the topic. Synthesis is great and all fitting ending to the franchise. Yeah.totally...

Ending?!? I thought they were doing another game installment with kicker DLCs as well..  Did I miss a memo?