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[jrm_ayun]

bayofangels wrote...

Set it a couple of hundred years after where the galaxy has got to a point where the ending decision choices don't need to be addressed.

ie. Reapers have rebuilt the place and left, if they weren't blown up.
Green skin stuff has faded away after initial Synthesis 'reprogramming'
All the weird sentient husks have died off.
Geth/Quarians have had time to make peace/regrow populations... etc.

I'd like this but I'd like the destroy ending with the indoctrination theory more. From what I understand, destroy said all synthetics were gonna be wiped out(correct me if i'm wrong) and I really don't want the geth I just saved or EDI just suddenly wiped out unless they find a way to shield themselves against whatever's gonna kill them and maybe they'd be the enemies in me4 as revenge for almost ridding them from the universe (really just thought of that sorry:lol:). So I'd be so damn happy with destroy and indoctrination being true but I think I'll accept that synthesis ending being canon as  I really chose that before I saw and thought about the indoctrination theory. 

[Mims]

I hate HATE canon endings. I would not want a canon ending even if it was my ending.

Not to mention, they're not going to do a game without humans.

[Peranor]

SpamBot2000 wrote...




Yeah yeah, 'realism' and such... dismissed these claims back when synthesis retooled the mighty oak tree's DNA to involve Intel inside. No, MY Shepard wouldn't meekly submit to a thorough probing by the Reaper boss and just stand there watching while the wee fella goes all apocalyptic with 'Let it be' or whatever his catchphrase was. My Shep would **** **** up to see if it would shut the lil bugger up.

I agree

[3DandBeyond]

Mims wrote...

I hate HATE canon endings. I would not want a canon ending even if it was my ending.

Not to mention, they're not going to do a game without humans.

But see you can't have one without the other.

If you want to see a game with humans in it, then it needs to be a sequel.  My wish.
If you don't want them to set canon, then it cannot be a sequel with humans. 

If it exists with all 3 (4) choices intact as they are now, then what you will get is either (or all) of these things:

1. Reapers alive - there can be no foes threatening the galaxy since the big guys will take care of them.  No foes, no conflict, no story/game.
2. A smaller game, because they'd have to create 3 or 4 different versions of the game to suit all ending choices.  This does not require you use an imported save, but is based on what the galaxy would be like after any ending is chosen.  There is no real way to assimilate all endings into one new game and have it make sense. 
3. A more expensive (like 3 or 4 times more) game of similar size as ME games are now-in order to accommodate the different endings and to have a reasonable sized story.
4. If synthesis occurs somehow naturally (as if) and is canon as this natural occurrence, then humans through synthesis would no longer be humans.  What they would be is not known, but organic life no longer exists since the DNA of all life is shown to be changed.  Just what synthetic life is, is also unknown.


At some point, Bioware does need to get off of the fence.  It would be interesting if some of the new assets gained in DLC like Leviathan and Omega, come together to add enough to the story so that at some point Hackett says "Shepard, it's amazing!  We actually now have a chance at a real victory against the reapers.  Set off that crucible EMP wave (now that we know what it is supposed to do) and get the hell back to the Normandy!"  Then, Shepard and friends on the citadel, fight against reaper critters and Harbinger on the ground, who flies up, and faces the Normandy in space.  And then all of Garrus's calibrations are put to the test, and goodbye Harby. 

And Leviathans and Aria's forces and the Citadel reinforcements and whatever other assets (maybe newly discovered unindoctrinated Cerberus forces, maybe collectors who were abandoned by the reapers after the base was destroyed, and are no longer indoctrinated) will enter the fight.

I think this would be a really cool way to tie it all together.  This would combine all of the elements of the original endings, but show the refutation of control (cerberus and Omega/Aria) and synthesis (collectors and Leviathan) and would return things to a real fight with a possibility the galaxy could win on their terms.

[jrm_ayun]

3DandBeyond wrote...

 Then, Shepard and friends on the citadel, fight against reaper critters and Harbinger on the ground, who flies up, and faces the Normandy in space.  And then all of Garrus's calibrations are put to the test, and goodbye Harby. 

Lol with the calibrations  but yeah, I really think some were looking forward to ending Harbinger's existence

[3DandBeyond]

jrm_ayun wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

 Then, Shepard and friends on the citadel, fight against reaper critters and Harbinger on the ground, who flies up, and faces the Normandy in space.  And then all of Garrus's calibrations are put to the test, and goodbye Harby. 

Lol with the calibrations  but yeah, I really think some were looking forward to ending Harbinger's existence

You can never go wrong with some decent calibrating.

[jrm_ayun]

3DandBeyond wrote...

jrm_ayun wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

 Then, Shepard and friends on the citadel, fight against reaper critters and Harbinger on the ground, who flies up, and faces the Normandy in space.  And then all of Garrus's calibrations are put to the test, and goodbye Harby. 

Lol with the calibrations  but yeah, I really think some were looking forward to ending Harbinger's existence

You can never go wrong with some decent calibrating.

Oh yes especially against Harbinger 

[Kathleen321]

Even though I didn't pick refuse I think it makes the most sense out of any "cannon" endings to be made into a sequel.

[Ghost]

Kathleen321 wrote...

Even though I didn't pick refuse I think it makes the most sense out of any "cannon" endings to be made into a sequel.

Lemons could be the sequel.

[Subject M]

Slayer299 wrote...

Subject M wrote...

The reason why there is "no single canon" ending is that everyone can choose to end the story how they wanted it to end (relative the alternatives of course). That was one of the main points of the ME story, to make it your own Shepard journey. That is why there will not be a "canon ending" tied to a single set of choices excluding the others.

In that sense, all the endings are "canon". Its an "multi canon" type of story

This is basic stuff.

Apparently its not that "basic" or a "multi-canon" if what J. Merizan has to say was accurate, that Synthesis will happen even if you didn't pick it.

I guess she means that despite of what you choose, synthesis will eventually happen anyway. If that is true, all the endings can be canon and represent different paths towards the same general end-state (synthesis). This follows the same narrative mechanic as the rest of the trilogy, where certain things happens regardless of your choices, but in slightly different ways. 

It is really that basic.

Modifié par Subject M, 22 septembre 2012 - 04:40 .

[dublin omega 223]

I agree Refuse would be a terrible canon ending. Now a good canon ending would be destroy with Shepard surviving.

[o Ventus]

Subject M wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

Subject M wrote...

The reason why there is "no single canon" ending is that everyone can choose to end the story how they wanted it to end (relative the alternatives of course). That was one of the main points of the ME story, to make it your own Shepard journey. That is why there will not be a "canon ending" tied to a single set of choices excluding the others.

In that sense, all the endings are "canon". Its an "multi canon" type of story

This is basic stuff.

Apparently its not that "basic" or a "multi-canon" if what J. Merizan has to say was accurate, that Synthesis will happen even if you didn't pick it.

I guess she means that despite of what you choose, synthesis will eventually happen anyway. If that is true, all the endings can be canon and represent different paths towards the same general end-state (synthesis). This follows the same narrative mechanic as the rest of the trilogy, where certain things happens regardless of your choices, but in slightly different ways. 

It is really that basic.

That still lives the status of Shepard and co. and the Reapers.

[Razhathael]

It's a real shame you can't rate a thread for one star, needs to be 2 stars minimum. They should just remove the rating system, can't stand seeing threads like this with "perfect score", knowing Bioware might just skip over the answers and think "oh, they approve of it".

[Subject M]

o Ventus wrote...

Subject M wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

Subject M wrote...

The reason why there is "no single canon" ending is that everyone can choose to end the story how they wanted it to end (relative the alternatives of course). That was one of the main points of the ME story, to make it your own Shepard journey. That is why there will not be a "canon ending" tied to a single set of choices excluding the others.

In that sense, all the endings are "canon". Its an "multi canon" type of story

This is basic stuff.

Apparently its not that "basic" or a "multi-canon" if what J. Merizan has to say was accurate, that Synthesis will happen even if you didn't pick it.

I guess she means that despite of what you choose, synthesis will eventually happen anyway. If that is true, all the endings can be canon and represent different paths towards the same general end-state (synthesis). This follows the same narrative mechanic as the rest of the trilogy, where certain things happens regardless of your choices, but in slightly different ways. 

It is really that basic.

That still lives the status of Shepard and co. and the Reapers.

Of course, but we are talking about an extended epilogue of sorts.

The end of Mass effect 3 concludes and chronological end point of the ME-universe saga.

Unless they want to destroy what they have built, there will certainly not be any more games that directly deals with what happened after the events that concludes ME3.  Any squeal will more likely take place during the events of the trilogy, before it, or a long, long time after.

[Isichar]

Yes.

Modifié par Isichar, 22 septembre 2012 - 05:16 .

[jpraelster93]

Isichar wrote...

NO.

Modifié par jpraelster93, 22 septembre 2012 - 05:16 .

[Isichar]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Isichar wrote...

YES.

[o Ventus]

Subject M wrote...

 Any squeal will more likely take place during the events of the trilogy, before it, or a long, long time after.

Even if it's in the far future, the fate of the Reapers is still going to be a rather large plot point to mention, seeing how they are dead in 1 ending, while allies in 2 others.

[ShepnTali]

Strangely, refuse is the easiest work with. This cycle succeeds as usual, and ME:4 is the next cycle. Which, strangely again, is like a prequel in a way, in that we already know the outcome.

[Subject M]

o Ventus wrote...

Subject M wrote...

 Any squeal will more likely take place during the events of the trilogy, before it, or a long, long time after.

Even if it's in the far future, the fate of the Reapers is still going to be a rather large plot point to mention, seeing how they are dead in 1 ending, while allies in 2 others.

That means that if there is a future game set post-ME3, these things will not be central to the plot, more likely "background" stuff. But it is also one of the reasons why there should not, and probably will not be any "squeal" to the events of ME3.

[daecath]

Refuse is the only ending that has any possibility of being canon, but only if a victory were possible. The only other option for a canon ending is IT or some other invalidation of the endings. Beyond that, you can't make any of them work as canon, the best you can do is shoot them with a cannon.

[Barambu]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

DESTROY - better red than dead!

haha, I know where you have this from. Never thought about it, but so true for those silly ME3 endings hehe.

OT:

Canon ending can be only Destroy..... or IT with a new ending. please. :/

[zioninzion]

I didnt read all 16 pages so forgive me if I say anything repetitive but whats wrong with the idea that there is a wrong ending and a right ending when it comes to beating the first story line or trailer. I mean there are obviously wrong choices to ME2 because you can get everyone killed including yourself. When considering ME3, BW didn't consider "what are we going to do for the players who got everyone killed including Shepard - we now need to make a new character." I say let there be a right ending and a wrong ending and in the beginning of the next game have an interactive comic or a good opener that explains why.

Personally, I would have the ending be a merge of Destroy and Indoctrination Theory and Refuse except modifying Refuse to allow you to win conventionally if you had a high enough EMS. First I personally think IT would make the ending incredible because it would have done what no other game has done which is trick the player into being "indoctrinated" and choosing control/synthesis despite knowing everything we know about the Reapers. Just having so many people "tricked" into believing this was an acceptable ending would be awesome. Therefore refuse/destroy can be merged sort of where by destroying the thing he shoots, Shepard becomes free of the reapers and the reapers are now left hopeless against the might of the different fleets who have arrived. This would also satisfy all the angry people who (in my opinion) rightfully complain about not having a conventional victory in the place of "space magic", which I agree with. I know the current ending of refuse alludes to the Reapers winning and Liara leaving a message to the next set of civilization but I am sure there is a way to get around that or something of the sorts.

To keep everyone happy though regardless of how you chose to end the game, you can still upload your character with existing renegade/paragon points and maybe BW can find a way to make your decisions going forward more impact full - if not for the grand ending at least during the game. I personally never expected my decisions to have an effect on the grand ending except with regards to having enough EMS or not. But I did love knowing that my decisions would alter how I am remembered and who lived/died as a result.

Just my two cents - this is my first forum post please be nice