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[spirosz]

JimJamBimBam wrote...

Sorry pal, but the four endings are so damn different that it would have to be more than just 'minor differences'. I mean, in one you've got a society that is policed by giant robot octopi. That means that any sort of collosal threat we have to face is immediately quelled. In another, we don't even have these robots anymore. In yet another, all the species we know from Mass Effect are dead, whilst in the other three, they are alive and thriving. And this isn't even taking into account things that we see in the EC slides, like the Krogan becoming extinct/going to war, the destruction of the Geth/Quarians or the Rachni. There's far too much variation to be viable.

If they took a few years with the game, I could see it working. 

[Jadebaby]

agu123 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

agu123 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

aaaaaand this is gonna become another "THIS IS BETTER END" "NO U" thread isn't it?

The OP made a thread saying that Refuse deserves to be the canon ending. This thread was doomed since the beginning.

Nope, because Refuse, in itself, doesn't fall into the morally ambigious category. The only reason it can be seen that way currently is because of it's outcome.

Or perhaps it's because Shepard doesn't want to use the device that could stop the Catalyst right now because the options are "morally ambiguous", and he - or she - doesn't want to get their hands dirty. I doubt anyone even cares about Shepard compromising his morality in an ending such as Control.

Seriously, I've seen people saying that the Galaxy would rather die with honor instead of living after Destroy or Control.

not sure what your point is..

[agu123]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

agu123 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

aaaaaand this is gonna become another "THIS IS BETTER END" "NO U" thread isn't it?

The OP made a thread saying that Refuse deserves to be the canon ending. This thread was doomed since the beginning.

Nope, because Refuse, in itself, doesn't fall into the morally ambigious category. The only reason it can be seen that way currently is because of it's outcome.

Or perhaps it's because Shepard doesn't want to use the device that could stop the Catalyst right now because the options are "morally ambiguous", and he - or she - doesn't want to get their hands dirty. I doubt anyone even cares about Shepard compromising his morality in an ending such as Control.

Seriously, I've seen people saying that the Galaxy would rather die with honor instead of living after Destroy or Control.

not sure what your point is..

Refuse is the most selfish choice if you choose it solely because it doesn't seem morally ambiguous to you.

You said "the only reason it can be seen that way currently is because of it's outcome", and that is false.

[Jamie9]

No. Stop being so self-centered OP. If they have to pick a canon ending to make a sequel, don't make a sequel at all.

[TheVaultDweller]

I would say yes to Destroy as a canon ending.

[AsheraII]

NO. This is one of the things that will make a Mass Effect game not a Mass Effect game to me: canon endings. I don't even believe it's necessary to decide on a canon ending for a sequel, it just requires writers with MORE imagination that the avarage poster in these "pls make this canon" threads. Yes, I do accuse anyone who suggests a canon ending from lacking imagination. If I can already do better than such posters, then any capable writer should be able to stand above that nonsense as well.

[Jadebaby]

Jamie9 wrote...

No. Stop being so self-centered OP. If they have to pick a canon ending to make a sequel, don't make a sequel at all.

I'm not being self-centered you jerk, refuse is totally impartial. If I wanted to be self-centered I would say make destroy canon.

[Jadebaby]

agu123 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

agu123 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

agu123 wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

aaaaaand this is gonna become another "THIS IS BETTER END" "NO U" thread isn't it?

The OP made a thread saying that Refuse deserves to be the canon ending. This thread was doomed since the beginning.

Nope, because Refuse, in itself, doesn't fall into the morally ambigious category. The only reason it can be seen that way currently is because of it's outcome.

Or perhaps it's because Shepard doesn't want to use the device that could stop the Catalyst right now because the options are "morally ambiguous", and he - or she - doesn't want to get their hands dirty. I doubt anyone even cares about Shepard compromising his morality in an ending such as Control.

Seriously, I've seen people saying that the Galaxy would rather die with honor instead of living after Destroy or Control.

not sure what your point is..

Refuse is the most selfish choice if you choose it solely because it doesn't seem morally ambiguous to you.

You said "the only reason it can be seen that way currently is because of it's outcome", and that is false.

No, I choose it because it makes the most sense in that current situation. And because of Shepard's awesome speech. Everything else is irrevelant.

[Jamie9]

Jade8aby88 wrote...
I'm not being self-centered you jerk, refuse is totally impartial. If I wanted to be self-centered I would say make destroy canon.

Yes, you are. It's not impartial at all. To be truly impartial, there'd have to be no canon ending.

Just because you go against the trend and so I don't want Ending C to be canon, I want Ending D, does not make you impartial. It's exactly the same.

[Jadebaby]

No it's not. Because it doesn't use the crucible in any way shape or form. That makes it impartial.

[xAmilli0n]

AsheraII wrote...

NO. This is one of the things that will make a Mass Effect game not a Mass Effect game to me: canon endings. I don't even believe it's necessary to decide on a canon ending for a sequel, it just requires writers with MORE imagination that the avarage poster in these "pls make this canon" threads. Yes, I do accuse anyone who suggests a canon ending from lacking imagination. If I can already do better than such posters, then any capable writer should be able to stand above that nonsense as well.

A fair enough point, but imagine the resources that would be required to create a sequel that could account for all the varitions of the endings and the EC slides.  Such a game would have to be HUGE, bigger than all 3 ME games combined.  I just don't think Bioware has the time, resources, or man power to pull that off.  If they did, I would be incredibly impressed, but the way I see it, any ME sequel will result in one of the endings being canonized.

[RainbowDazed]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


With a new Mass Effect game announced to be in the works and the fact that I think all of the BSN are united under a "no prequels" banner.

Let us embrace a canon ending.

Let us embarce *the* canon ending.

The Refuse ending.

It is up to BioWare now whether they want it to be successful or not. Either way, I firmly believe this ending deserves it, for Shepard's speech alone.

I'm all for prequels, but if there is a canonical ending, I'd love it to be refuse. Maybe ME4 could be the story of Shepard's crew and how they all died horrible deaths.And the way everyone dies depends on the choices you made in the first three games! That'd be awesome.

You could play as Liara and end up starving to death with Shepard's children in the bunker (assuming you romanced Liara). Or maybe the kids would be eaten by cannibals first? Then Liara starves to death. 

Modifié par RainbowDazed, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:35 .

[Jamie9]

Jade8aby88 wrote...
No it's not. Because it doesn't use the crucible in any way shape or form. That makes it impartial.

The use of the Crucible isn't even a factor.

There are 4 endings. If you choose any of those 4 endings, you are no longer impartial.

[RukiaKuchki]

The only ending that is canon is the ending that you have personally chosed to be canon. OP, I disagree with every one of your opening points, and this does not mean I am calling you (or anyone who agrees with you) names. It simply means that I want a different ending to you. And my ending is very personal to me, as it should be. And I am very certain that many people do not want an ending like yours. Therefore, there is no canon ending. You must not persume that your opinion is 'what the fans really want' because that's just arrogant. Just let it rest.

Bioware have definitely written themelves into a corner with the divergent paths for the ending of ME3, therefore to keep within the existing ME universe, the only realistic options for another game will be either a prequel or a game that runs concurrently with (and possibly intertwines with) Shepard's story.

[Jadebaby]

In the overall sense, yes. Not in the moral ambiguity sense.

[Subject M]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


With a new Mass Effect game announced to be in the works and the fact that I think all of the BSN are united under a "no prequels" banner.

Let us embrace a canon ending.

Let us embarce *the* canon ending.

The Refuse ending.

It is up to BioWare now whether they want it to be successful or not. Either way, I firmly believe this ending deserves it, for Shepard's speech alone.

You are entitled to your opinion. Even if it seems to be a highly uninformed one. Or perhaps you do not simply care about one of the main ideas that have defined the ME1-ME3 series.

[MegaSovereign]

As much as I hate synthesis think about how much better the gameplay would be if we got to have cool cyborg abilities.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:39 .

[Jamie9]

Jade8aby88 wrote...
In the overall sense, yes. Not in the moral ambiguity sense.

The overall sense is all that matters. Picking an ending shows bias, and one that many players won't appreciate.

You're allowing the entire galaxy to die! That's not morally ambiguous?

[Jadebaby]

If you read the OP, I said whether it be successful or not. I'm not defending the way it ended. If we're allowed a successful one then would it not be canon?

[Uncle Jo]

estebanus wrote...

When my brother was at games com this year, he talked to Jessica Merizan, who said that if they'd make any sequels, Synthesis will have happened either way. It doesn't matter if Shepard chose it or not, it will still have transpired at that point.

Wat?  Not that I take what Merizan says seriously, but still.

[Sajuro]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


With a new Mass Effect game announced to be in the works and the fact that I think all of the BSN are united under a "no prequels" banner.

Let us embrace a canon ending.

Let us embarce *the* canon ending.

The Refuse ending.

It is up to BioWare now whether they want it to be successful or not. Either way, I firmly believe this ending deserves it, for Shepard's speech alone.

Shepard uses space magic to create a portal to other Bioware games and gets all of their protaganists to join him in some good old fashioned ass kicking.

[Gervaise]

Let's face it, if there is not going to be a canon ending (which will upset all those who didn't choose it), then the only way you could have a sequel would be to choose a storyline which could overlook the presence of Reapers or at least explain why they weren't there. May be some distant community who had not yet been reached by the Reapers and with limited technology, so on the whole they were untouched by the conflict. Destroy and Control means they never are, Refuse means that some time in the future they might be but for the present they are okay. Of course there is the problem that if Synthesis was chosen, they would be wondering why they had suddenly turned green, which could be the basis for trying to discover why this had happened and reverse it.

I think the most likely candidates for a canon ending are either Destroy or Synthesis. The former because it believe it was the one most widely available, the latter because it would appear to be the ending that Bioware chose to "reward" those people who either scoured the galaxy for resources or participated in multiplay. The promise of peace and the EC epilogue with the utopian sentiments expressed by EDI would also point that way, as did Joker's earlier comment that Shepard would be made a saint if they could fine a way to make the Reapers play nice. I wouldn't like it but if that is their vision for the Mass Effect universe, then we would either have to accept it or just not play the game.

[KENNY4753]

Medievalist wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...


[...] all of the BSN are united under a "no prequels" banner.  [...]

Do you know if there's an actual banner to put in the signatures? I'd totally change mine for a well-made "No prequels! Period!" banner.

Same here. Somebody has to make a "No Prequels" banner

[Jamie9]

Jade8aby88 wrote...
If you read the OP, I said whether it be successful or not. I'm not defending the way it ended. If we're allowed a successful one then would it not be canon?

I don't think you understand what "canon" means. It's where you name a definitive event. So in this case, the other 3 endings would become non-canon.

The content of Refuse is irrelevant. Whether it's successful or not does not alter it's level of "canon". No ending should be elevated above the others. It negates the entire meaning of the trilogy, and would make replaying substantially less interesting.

[Dubozz]

Refuse sucks. Red explosions FTW