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[Subject M]

Uncle Jo wrote...

estebanus wrote...

When my brother was at games com this year, he talked to Jessica Merizan, who said that if they'd make any sequels, Synthesis will have happened either way. It doesn't matter if Shepard chose it or not, it will still have transpired at that point.

Wat?  Not that I take what Merizan says seriously, but still.

According to the catalyst, synthesis is inevitable.
Control will lead to synthesis when the information on what happened and why is absorbed in the galactic community. Of course, it will not be forced in the same way it was in "Synthesis", at least not in a Paragon-control ending.

Destroy will also to synthesis, eventually, if it is inevitable as the Catalyst suggests and people somehow manges to get the information the Reapers had.

Modifié par Subject M, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:54 .

[AlanC9]

Well, at least I agree with the thread title.

Modifié par AlanC9, 19 septembre 2012 - 02:56 .

[Uncle Jo]

Jamie9 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...
If you read the OP, I said whether it be successful or not. I'm not defending the way it ended. If we're allowed a successful one then would it not be canon?

I don't think you understand what "canon" means. It's where you name a definitive event. So in this case, the other 3 endings would become non-canon.

The content of Refuse is irrelevant. Whether it's successful or not does not alter it's level of "canon". No ending should be elevated above the others. It negates the entire meaning of the trilogy, and would make replaying substantially less interesting.

Sad but true. That's why I personally don't understand why people still believe that an eventual ME4 will be a sequel. It'll never happen IMO.

As for the replay value, ME3 doesn't need a sequel with a canon ending to kill it off. It managed this quite well by itself with the wonderful endings we got (yes, personal opinion, but I'm pretty sure it's shared by a lot of other players)

[AlanC9]

AsheraII wrote...

NO. This is one of the things that will make a Mass Effect game not a Mass Effect game to me: canon endings. I don't even believe it's necessary to decide on a canon ending for a sequel, it just requires writers with MORE imagination that the avarage poster in these "pls make this canon" threads. Yes, I do accuse anyone who suggests a canon ending from lacking imagination. If I can already do better than such posters, then any capable writer should be able to stand above that nonsense as well.

All the proposals I've heard for a sequel without a canon ME3 ending have sucked.

[Mazebook]

No. no canon ending please.

Modifié par maaaze, 19 septembre 2012 - 03:01 .

[Jadebaby]

Jamie9 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...
If you read the OP, I said whether it be successful or not. I'm not defending the way it ended. If we're allowed a successful one then would it not be canon?

I don't think you understand what "canon" means. It's where you name a definitive event. So in this case, the other 3 endings would become non-canon.

The content of Refuse is irrelevant. Whether it's successful or not does not alter it's level of "canon". No ending should be elevated above the others. It negates the entire meaning of the trilogy, and would make replaying substantially less interesting.

Seriously, who pissed in your pie? Of course a successful refuse alters the level of "canon." If we can get a successful refuse then it would have no moral ambiguity (or not as many downsides) therefore making it canon...

[Uncle Jo]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...
If you read the OP, I said whether it be successful or not. I'm not defending the way it ended. If we're allowed a successful one then would it not be canon?

I don't think you understand what "canon" means. It's where you name a definitive event. So in this case, the other 3 endings would become non-canon.

The content of Refuse is irrelevant. Whether it's successful or not does not alter it's level of "canon". No ending should be elevated above the others. It negates the entire meaning of the trilogy, and would make replaying substantially less interesting.

Seriously, who pissed in your pie? Of course a successful refuse alters the level of "canon." If we can get a successful refuse then it would have no moral ambiguity (or not as many downsides) therefore making it canon...

Jade, as much as I support your puzzle theory, if it could really help to clarify the ending (even if it's for me a little bit of wishful thing though), I'm not with you on this. Right or wrong, people made their choice (blue, green, red or told the kid to f*** off).
If you canonize an ending (even refuse) you'll ****** the other players off. Some played the game, others didn't (Refuse). BW stick to their "there is no wrong choice" and refuse to take a clear stance. It's not gonna happen with ME4.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 19 septembre 2012 - 03:19 .

[Jadebaby]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...
If you read the OP, I said whether it be successful or not. I'm not defending the way it ended. If we're allowed a successful one then would it not be canon?

I don't think you understand what "canon" means. It's where you name a definitive event. So in this case, the other 3 endings would become non-canon.

The content of Refuse is irrelevant. Whether it's successful or not does not alter it's level of "canon". No ending should be elevated above the others. It negates the entire meaning of the trilogy, and would make replaying substantially less interesting.

Seriously, who pissed in your pie? Of course a successful refuse alters the level of "canon." If we can get a successful refuse then it would have no moral ambiguity (or not as many downsides) therefore making it canon...

Jade, as much as I support your puzzle theory, if it could really help to clarify the ending (even if it's for me a little bit of wishful thing though), I'm not with you on this. Right or wrong, people made their choice (blue,green, red or told the kid to f*** off).
If you canonize an ending (even refuse) you'll ****** the other players off. Some played the game, others didn't (Refuse). BW stick to their "there is no wrong choice" and refuse to take a clear stance. It's not gonna happen with ME4.

It really sucks how ME3 ended. I'm not happy how it's divided the fanbase.

[3DandBeyond]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


With a new Mass Effect game announced to be in the works and the fact that I think all of the BSN are united under a "no prequels" banner.

Let us embrace a canon ending.

Let us embarce *the* canon ending.

The Refuse ending.

It is up to BioWare now whether they want it to be successful or not. Either way, I firmly believe this ending deserves it, for Shepard's speech alone.

I support any ending as canon that involves a true victory over the reapers and that does not involve random contrived costs for winning, and that involves Shepard and core characters surviving.  Yes, any ending that is the happier one with real consequences of a galaxy in a shambles and a lot of death and all, but a real victory.

Prequels are just idiotic and can't end well.  2 of the 3 choices can never be canon first because the reapers are still around and would fend off any foes of merit.  I don't want them becoming the "heroes" and I'm frankly pretty sick of them now that they've been neutered.

And I don't want some alternate galaxy explored either.  The codex is full of things to explore that have never been touched upon, so why instantly jump to some other place.  If I played an ME in a different galaxy, I'd still be wondering what happened to Thessia, Palaven, Earth and so on.  And I'd wonder about all the different races. 

I do think it would be interesting if in repairing the relays they decided to activate the inactive ones and found new races.

But a sequel in this galaxy with a decent canon, victory, Shepard and friends and EDI and geth can live-that's the only way to go for me.

[iSousek]

Subject M wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

estebanus wrote...

When my brother was at games com this year, he talked to Jessica Merizan, who said that if they'd make any sequels, Synthesis will have happened either way. It doesn't matter if Shepard chose it or not, it will still have transpired at that point.

Wat?  Not that I take what Merizan says seriously, but still.

According to the catalyst, synthesis is inevitable.
Control will lead to synthesis when the information on what happened and why is absorbed in the galactic community. Of course, it will not be forced in the same way it was in "Synthesis", at least not in a Paragon-control ending.

Destroy will also to synthesis, eventually, if it is inevitable as the Catalyst suggests and people somehow manges to get the information the Reapers had.

Catalyst says alot of things. Most of them are complete BS.

BioWare should really stay away from the word "inevitable". It makes them sound like some pseudoscientists.

[ThaDPG]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


With a new Mass Effect game announced to be in the works and the fact that I think all of the BSN are united under a "no prequels" banner.

Let us embrace a canon ending.

Let us embarce *the* canon ending.

The Refuse ending.

It is up to BioWare now whether they want it to be successful or not. Either way, I firmly believe this ending deserves it, for Shepard's speech alone.

Trust me, I'd love to see this, but if refuse really does turn out to be their middle finger to us, and they never do anything with it(via the SP DLC), it's probably not gonna happen.  In that case, I'd hope for destroy as canon

[Jadebaby]

ThaDPG wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...


With a new Mass Effect game announced to be in the works and the fact that I think all of the BSN are united under a "no prequels" banner.

Let us embrace a canon ending.

Let us embarce *the* canon ending.

The Refuse ending.

It is up to BioWare now whether they want it to be successful or not. Either way, I firmly believe this ending deserves it, for Shepard's speech alone.

Trust me, I'd love to see this, but if refuse really does turn out to be their middle finger to us, and they never do anything with it(via the SP DLC), it's probably not gonna happen.  In that case, I'd hope for destroy as canon

I support this post!

[3DandBeyond]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...
If you read the OP, I said whether it be successful or not. I'm not defending the way it ended. If we're allowed a successful one then would it not be canon?

I don't think you understand what "canon" means. It's where you name a definitive event. So in this case, the other 3 endings would become non-canon.

The content of Refuse is irrelevant. Whether it's successful or not does not alter it's level of "canon". No ending should be elevated above the others. It negates the entire meaning of the trilogy, and would make replaying substantially less interesting.

Seriously, who pissed in your pie? Of course a successful refuse alters the level of "canon." If we can get a successful refuse then it would have no moral ambiguity (or not as many downsides) therefore making it canon...

Let me also state that if it is a sequel that makes the most sense, Bioware must make something canon.  They can't make 3 or 4 separate games and charge people 3-4 times the cost of one or make the story really small to keep down costs.  I'd never want to play a control or synthesis type sequel.  It would feature more reapers for one thing, so it makes no sense.

But the other point here is that if Bioware does choose something as canon, I've been told this often enough.  It's their story and they are free to do what they want with it.  It seems there are a lot of people that had no concern for others who were unhappy with the endings and felt it was just fine for them to ****** all of those people off.  So, why not share the love and ****** off a lot of other people that don't like the alternatives.  Fair is fair.

[Uncle Jo]

Subject M wrote...

According to the catalyst, synthesis is inevitable.
Control will lead to synthesis when the information on what happened and why is absorbed in the galactic community. Of course, it will not be forced in the same way it was in "Synthesis", at least not in a Paragon-control ending.

Destroy will also to synthesis, eventually, if it is inevitable as the Catalyst suggests and people somehow manges to get the information the Reapers had.

I don't give a damn about what the space troll said, especially its rant about synthesis and its inevitability. By using such absolute terms BW played with fire and got burnt. Badly. It would be wise if they don't repeat the same mistake...

[webhead921]

NO TO REFUSE. Terrible, Terrible, Terrible.

[ThaDPG]

webhead921 wrote...

NO TO REFUSE. Terrible, Terrible, Terrible.

I like how you explained yourself so well

[Uncle Jo]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I support any ending as canon that involves a true victory over the reapers and that does not involve random contrived costs for winning, and that involves Shepard and core characters surviving.  Yes, any ending that is the happier one with real consequences of a galaxy in a shambles and a lot of death and all, but a real victory.

Prequels are just idiotic and can't end well.  2 of the 3 choices can never be canon first because the reapers are still around and would fend off any foes of merit.  I don't want them becoming the "heroes" and I'm frankly pretty sick of them now that they've been neutered.

And I don't want some alternate galaxy explored either.  The codex is full of things to explore that have never been touched upon, so why instantly jump to some other place.  If I played an ME in a different galaxy, I'd still be wondering what happened to Thessia, Palaven, Earth and so on.  And I'd wonder about all the different races. 

I do think it would be interesting if in repairing the relays they decided to activate the inactive ones and found new races.

But a sequel in this galaxy with a decent canon, victory, Shepard and friends and EDI and geth can live-that's the only way to go for me.

I read your posts with peasure and agree with you on this one, but don't you think you're asking for too much (underlined part)? Don't underestimate the power of artistic integrity...

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 19 septembre 2012 - 03:38 .

[Uncle Jo]

dble post.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 19 septembre 2012 - 03:38 .

[ATiBotka]

3DandBeyond wrote...

But a sequel in this galaxy with a decent canon, victory, Shepard and friends and EDI and geth can live-that's the only way to go for me.

You just want an easy victory. That's all your problem?

[ThaDPG]

ATiBotka wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

But a sequel in this galaxy with a decent canon, victory, Shepard and friends and EDI and geth can live-that's the only way to go for me.

You just want an easy victory. That's all your problem?

No, she wants a complete victory.  What's wrong with that?

[Jadebaby]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...
If you read the OP, I said whether it be successful or not. I'm not defending the way it ended. If we're allowed a successful one then would it not be canon?

I don't think you understand what "canon" means. It's where you name a definitive event. So in this case, the other 3 endings would become non-canon.

The content of Refuse is irrelevant. Whether it's successful or not does not alter it's level of "canon". No ending should be elevated above the others. It negates the entire meaning of the trilogy, and would make replaying substantially less interesting.

Seriously, who pissed in your pie? Of course a successful refuse alters the level of "canon." If we can get a successful refuse then it would have no moral ambiguity (or not as many downsides) therefore making it canon...

Let me also state that if it is a sequel that makes the most sense, Bioware must make something canon.  They can't make 3 or 4 separate games and charge people 3-4 times the cost of one or make the story really small to keep down costs.  I'd never want to play a control or synthesis type sequel.  It would feature more reapers for one thing, so it makes no sense.

But the other point here is that if Bioware does choose something as canon, I've been told this often enough.  It's their story and they are free to do what they want with it.  It seems there are a lot of people that had no concern for others who were unhappy with the endings and felt it was just fine for them to ****** all of those people off.  So, why not share the love and ****** off a lot of other people that don't like the alternatives.  Fair is fair.

So much  right here

[3DandBeyond]

iSousek wrote...

Subject M wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

estebanus wrote...

When my brother was at games com this year, he talked to Jessica Merizan, who said that if they'd make any sequels, Synthesis will have happened either way. It doesn't matter if Shepard chose it or not, it will still have transpired at that point.

Wat?  Not that I take what Merizan says seriously, but still.

According to the catalyst, synthesis is inevitable.
Control will lead to synthesis when the information on what happened and why is absorbed in the galactic community. Of course, it will not be forced in the same way it was in "Synthesis", at least not in a Paragon-control ending.

Destroy will also to synthesis, eventually, if it is inevitable as the Catalyst suggests and people somehow manges to get the information the Reapers had.

Catalyst says alot of things. Most of them are complete BS.

BioWare should really stay away from the word "inevitable". It makes them sound like some pseudoscientists.

And apparently the kid thinks anything he knows about is inevitable.  He knows synthetics have destroyed organics so they will inevitably do so.  He knows synthesis is somehow magically possible so now it's inevitable.  Heaven help us if he ever knows that it's possible for Justin Bieber and Snookie to have a reality tv show, because that will be inevitable.

And synthesis is inevitable is one of the, pardon me, stupidest things ever said in this game.  It can't be achieved through evolution.  It must be achieved artificially.  If it must always be forced and the kid can't do it, and needs to use a magic space battery to perform it, as well as a human sacrifice, it is anything but inevitable.  The kid has some of the worst logic of any advanced AI ever.  No wonder his creators had problems with synthetics-they created him and in so doing proved themselves to be totally incompetent.

Jessica is a BW employee but as far as I know does not work on the games.  I'm not bashing her here.  She's given information that she talks about on twitter and has said many things, but it may be that they are all just using ambiguity to misdirect fans.  They've done this in the games as well.  So they get you thinking one thing is true and then do another.  She may have been told that synthesis will happen, but even saying all that is ambiguous.  She also said on twitter before the EC came out that a reunion would happen.  When it didn't, she said it was implied.  Then she said it could be a living Shepard or a dying one.  This could just be BW playing with fans-it's not much fun, but they might think it is.

[Jadebaby]

ThaDPG wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

But a sequel in this galaxy with a decent canon, victory, Shepard and friends and EDI and geth can live-that's the only way to go for me.

You just want an easy victory. That's all your problem?

No, she wants a complete victory.  What's wrong with that?

No, she wants to "win".

[AlanC9]

Uncle Jo wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote....

But a sequel in this galaxy with a decent canon, victory, Shepard and friends and EDI and geth can live-that's the only way to go for me.

I read your posts with peasure and agree with you, but don't you think you're asking for too much (underlined part)? Don't underestimate the power of artistic integrity...

I'm sure he's quite aware of that. We all have our deal-breakers. DA2's awful look was mine.

[ThaDPG]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

ThaDPG wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

But a sequel in this galaxy with a decent canon, victory, Shepard and friends and EDI and geth can live-that's the only way to go for me.

You just want an easy victory. That's all your problem?

No, she wants a complete victory.  What's wrong with that?

No, she wants to "win".

You mean what I know lol