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[KENNY4753]

Jamie9 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...
Shepard: "Well, the Leviathans are apart of this war now, whether you like it or not."

Child: "Good, then I welcome their involvement."

Currently, we see know Leviathan presense at the end. I do believe, however, that this piece of dialogue here is a sign that we haven't seen all there is to see in these endings.

The Catalyst says that because it thinks it will make no difference. Whether this is arrogance or not is up to interpretation.

What we do know is conventional victory is impossible. Hackett says so.

Like we haven't proved somebody wrong before in the ME trilogy. Everybody told us that the Omega 4 relay mission was a suicide mission (TIM, Miranda, the whole squad) but it is very easy to get through the "suicide mission" with no casualties so why should this be any different.

Modifié par KENNY4753, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:14 .

[Jamie9]

KENNY4753 wrote...
Like we haven't proved somebody wrong before in the ME trilogy. Everybody told us that the Omega 4 relay mission was a suicide mission (TIM, Miranda, the whole squad) but it is very easy to get through the "suicide mission" with no casualties so why should this be any different.

Yep, you're correct. If BW wanted conventional victory possible, it would and could be.

[KENNY4753]

Jamie9 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...
Like we haven't proved somebody wrong before in the ME trilogy. Everybody told us that the Omega 4 relay mission was a suicide mission (TIM, Miranda, the whole squad) but it is very easy to get through the "suicide mission" with no casualties so why should this be any different.

Yep, you're correct. If BW wanted conventional victory possible, it would and could be.

That's why I don't rule out a successful refuse as an option after all SP dlc. Why else would they add a refuse option in the EC besides to tell all their fans who don't like the endings to f*** off?

Modifié par KENNY4753, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:20 .

[Jadebaby]

AlanC9 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...
The Reaper being torn apart by Sword fleet and the Capital Ship that was disposed of in 9 seconds say otherwise.

And?

Didn't seem too powerful to me is all I'm saying. Besides, other than Harbinger (maybe) the other capital ships don't seem to be as big or powerful as Sovereign and we have never seen the tenticle beems again. And we brought that big guy down. So why not the rest with the help of the "entire galaxy."

Blowing up a few Reapers doesn't equal victory. The Japanese blew up USS Princeton at Leyte Gulf. That didn't mean they had any hope of defeating the US Navy there. All they could hope to do in that operation was get at the invasion transports, and maybe inflict a few losses along the way. (It's the best RW parallel to the Battle of Earth I can find, although it's not quite clear what good sinking those transports would have done Japan)

Terrible comparison.

LilLino wrote...

The only 2 endings that could be cannon and into the future would be control or destroy
Personally I prefer destroy. Biggest freedom and heavy casualties. Lots of possibilities.

And Refuse? Really? Are you guys mad? It's the worst choice ever. It's a choice of a coward not a Military Man or N7. Too weak to handle a tough choice? I can't believe someone roleyplays Shepard like that.
Besides that'd not be Mass Effect universe as we know it with completely different aliens. Bah, there wouldn't even be humans anymore. Sorry OP but this is just stupid.

Honestly, in my opinion refuse through dialogue is the only choice. Unless you meta-game the results of each choice. Meta-gaming the best choice (imo) is destroy.

[AlanC9]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Terrible comparison.

Why?

Modifié par AlanC9, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:22 .

[ATiBotka]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...
Like we haven't proved somebody wrong before in the ME trilogy. Everybody told us that the Omega 4 relay mission was a suicide mission (TIM, Miranda, the whole squad) but it is very easy to get through the "suicide mission" with no casualties so why should this be any different.

Yep, you're correct. If BW wanted conventional victory possible, it would and could be.

That's why I don't rule out a successful refuse as an option after all SP dlc. Why else would they add a refuse option in the EC besides to tell all their fans who don't like the endings to f*** off?

They've added refuse because some of the fans wanted it.

[Hexley UK]

Look folks it's either a canon ending or a prequel/sidequel.

It's highly unlikely they would make a sequel that caters for all 4 endings....simple as that.

[Jadebaby]

AlanC9 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Terrible comparison.

Why?

Because one is a true, very real, war story. The other is a completely fictional sci-fi / fantasy (with synthesis) story.

BioWare can do as they please. The other side of the comparison... Not so much.

[Jadebaby]

ATiBotka wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...
Like we haven't proved somebody wrong before in the ME trilogy. Everybody told us that the Omega 4 relay mission was a suicide mission (TIM, Miranda, the whole squad) but it is very easy to get through the "suicide mission" with no casualties so why should this be any different.

Yep, you're correct. If BW wanted conventional victory possible, it would and could be.

That's why I don't rule out a successful refuse as an option after all SP dlc. Why else would they add a refuse option in the EC besides to tell all their fans who don't like the endings to f*** off?

They've added refuse because some of the fans wanted it.

Prove it.

[Jadebaby]

Hexley UK wrote...

Look folks it's either a canon ending or a prequel/sidequel.

It's highly unlikely they would make a sequel that caters for all 4 endings....simple as that.

Exactly, that's why we're debating which ending would be the most likely, should it be a sequel. By your own signature you should ignore your first sentence lol.

[ATiBotka]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Terrible comparison.

Why?

Because one is a true, very real, war story. The other is a completely fictional sci-fi / fantasy (with synthesis) story.

BioWare can do as they please.

And they've made the Reapers unbeatable.

[Hexley UK]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Look folks it's either a canon ending or a prequel/sidequel.

It's highly unlikely they would make a sequel that caters for all 4 endings....simple as that.

Exactly, that's why we're debating which ending would be the most likely, should it be a sequel. By your own signature you should ignore your first sentence lol.

For the record i'm totally for a sequel starting right where ME3 left off with destroy as canon (most people picked destroy for their own "canon" ending so it would make most sense).

Prequels and sidequels are almost never a good idea......and i'm amazed alot of people haven't realised this yet.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:29 .

[blueumi]

no the ending is bad as it is don't make the end of shepard even more pointless and if it's synthesis then it will suck from word go and that is what bioware seem to want

[AlanC9]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Terrible comparison.

Why?

 
Because one is a true, very real, war story. The other is a completely fictional sci-fi / fantasy (with synthesis) story.

BioWare can do as they please. The other side of the comparison... Not so much.

OK. I'm only saying that Leyte Gulf's a parallel for the situation that Bio really did set up. I'm sure there's a parallel universe where Bio wrote a version you like better.

[Jadebaby]

ATiBotka wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Terrible comparison.

Why?

Because one is a true, very real, war story. The other is a completely fictional sci-fi / fantasy (with synthesis) story.

BioWare can do as they please.

And they've made the Reapers unbeatable.

Currently, ME3 isn't over yet.

However, I do find this interesting. By your own admission, you're saying that none of the crucible decisions beat the Reapers?

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:32 .

[Hexley UK]

blueumi wrote...

no the ending is bad as it is don't make the end of shepard even more pointless and if it's synthesis then it will suck from word go and that is what bioware seem to want

So you want a prequel or sidequel then?

[Han Shot First]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


Let us embrace a canon ending.

Let us embarce *the* canon ending.

The Refuse ending.

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Out of all the endings Refuse is the worst candidate for a canon ending. It is an ending in which Shepard loses, and every space faring species including humanity, is wiped out. If Bioware were to make that defeat ending canon it would invalidate the entire Shepard trilogy, and also require that the new game be populated with entirely new alien species. Humans, Turians, Asari, Salarians, Krogan ect, would all be extinct.

Thankfully Refuse has a 0% chance of ever being chosen as the canon ending. Besides the fact that it is only available in DLC, which automatically guarantees that it won't be canon, Bioware isn't going to make an ending where Shepard was defeated canon. That would invalidate eveything Shepard did in the previous three games. The controversy surrounding that decision would dwarf the ME3 ending controversy.

If an ending is made canon at all, it is going to be either Destroy or Synthesis. Destroy of course is far and away the fan favorite. Synthesis seems to be the writers' favorite.

If I were a bettting man, I'd bet on Synthesis. It pains me to say that however, as Synthesis is my least favorite ending and I'm one of the multitude that chose Destroy.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:33 .

[Jadebaby]

Hexley UK wrote...

blueumi wrote...

no the ending is bad as it is don't make the end of shepard even more pointless and if it's synthesis then it will suck from word go and that is what bioware seem to want

So you want a prequel or sidequel then?

I think s/he has just lost all hope

[ATiBotka]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Terrible comparison.

Why?

Because one is a true, very real, war story. The other is a completely fictional sci-fi / fantasy (with synthesis) story.

BioWare can do as they please.

And they've made the Reapers unbeatable.

Currently, ME3 isn't over yet.

However, I do find this interesting. By your own admission, you're saying that none of the crucible decisions beat the Reapers?

I mean conventionally unbeatable.

[Applepie_Svk]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

LilLino wrote...

The only 2 endings that could be cannon and into the future would be control or destroy
Personally I prefer destroy. Biggest freedom and heavy casualties. Lots of possibilities.

And Refuse? Really? Are you guys mad? It's the worst choice ever. It's a choice of a coward not a Military Man or N7. Too weak to handle a tough choice? I can't believe someone roleyplays Shepard like that.
Besides that'd not be Mass Effect universe as we know it with completely different aliens. Bah, there wouldn't even be humans anymore. Sorry OP but this is just stupid.

Honestly, in my opinion refuse through dialogue is the only choice. Unless you meta-game the results of each choice. Meta-gaming the best choice (imo) is destroy.

It´s far away from coward choice, coward choice would by run away with Normady and screw on galaxy with Reapers - that´s coward choice. Refuse required to have a guts, to oppose the inevitable doom with such defiance and not subduing to the wicked agenda despite the cruel outcome ...

[Jadebaby]

Han Shot First wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...


Let us embrace a canon ending.

Let us embarce *the* canon ending.

The Refuse ending.

.

Out of all the endings Refuse is the worst candidate for a canon ending. It is an ending in which Shepard loses, and every space faring species including humanity, is wiped out. If Bioware were to make that defeat ending canon it would invalidate the entire Shepard trilogy, and also require that the new game be populated with entirely new alien species. Humans, Turians, Asari, Salarians, Krogan ect, would all be extinct.

Thankfully Refuse has a 0% chance of ever being chosen as the canon ending. Besides the fact that it is only available in DLC, which automatically guarantees that it won't be canon, Bioware isn't going to make an ending where Shepard was defeated canon. That would invalidate eveything Shepard did in the previous three games. The controversy surrounding that decision would dwarf the ME3 ending controversy.

If an ending is made canon at all, it is going to be either Destroy or Synthesis. Destroy of course is far and away the fan favorite. Synthesis seems to be the writers' favorite.

If I were a bettting man, I'd bet on Synthesis. It pains me to say that however, as Synthesis is my least favorite ending and I'm one of the multitude that chose Destroy.

I agree with most of what you say and share your waryness about synthesis. However, was Arrival not canon and apart of dlc? Did Liara not become the Shadow Broker through dlc?

If one had not played those two dlcs or even heard about spoilers from them, they would do a complete double-take on the events of ME3, right from the get-go too in how it begun. lol I can see it now.. "reinstated? But what? "

[KENNY4753]

ATiBotka wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...
Like we haven't proved somebody wrong before in the ME trilogy. Everybody told us that the Omega 4 relay mission was a suicide mission (TIM, Miranda, the whole squad) but it is very easy to get through the "suicide mission" with no casualties so why should this be any different.

Yep, you're correct. If BW wanted conventional victory possible, it would and could be.

That's why I don't rule out a successful refuse as an option after all SP dlc. Why else would they add a refuse option in the EC besides to tell all their fans who don't like the endings to f*** off?

They've added refuse because some of the fans wanted it.

So fans asked for a refusal option be added where you automatically lose so you have to choose one of the colored endings that caused the whole problem to begin with in order to win. That sounds exactly like something the fans would ask for.

Modifié par KENNY4753, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:38 .

[CronoDragoon]

Jamie9 wrote...

Yep, you're correct. If BW wanted conventional victory possible, it would and could be.

There is a good reason not to do this, namely that the Crucible is the central goal of the game, and making conventional victory possible would destroy narrative coherence in a way that the original endings never did.

[ATiBotka]

KENNY4753 wrote...

So fans asked for a refusal option be added where you automatically lose so you have to choose one of the colored endings to win. That sounds exactly like something the fans would ask for.

They've asked refuse, not conventional victory.

[Han Shot First]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

It´s far away from coward choice, coward choice would by run away with Normady and screw on galaxy with Reapers - that´s coward choice. Refuse required to have a guts, to oppose the inevitable doom with such defiance and not subduing to the wicked agenda despite the cruel outcome ...

I wouldn't call it a coward's choice. It is however a stupid choice.

Shepard chooses not to use the only weapon available that can defeat the Reapers, and by doing so condemns trillions of sapient beings to death, and helps speed along the extinction of his own species.

Refuse turns Shepard into the most incompetent military leader in all of human history. If any humans had survived (they don't) they'd be p_ssing on his or her grave.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 19 septembre 2012 - 04:38 .