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[Jadebaby]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

You don't even get the achievement in refuse.

That and twitter crap about refuse ending and next cycle used Crucible anyway together fart out as middlefinger to fanbase...

Yes, the tweet can be seen that way, the achievement not so much because dlc can't trigger achievements from the base game.

[AresKeith]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

You don't even get the achievement in refuse.

That and twitter crap about refuse ending and next cycle used Crucible anyway together fart out as middlefinger to fanbase...

OR a sampling of what to do with so many fans going in so many different directions...and not liking it one little iota..

but then, they cannot just say "heres the canon ending, enjoy your game now"..lol

true but they do have to set one of the endings up to be one if they wanna make a sequel

[Wayning_Star]

Han Shot First wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

ThaDPG wrote...

How many times has the protagonist of a story refused to give up his/her morals, and still come out on top in the face of impossible odds? Too many to count. This isn't real life, this is science fiction, and it's a video game, not "ART" as others would have you believe. BW still has room to write themselves out of this hole, via DLC or full blown expansion, with a successful refusal, plus any additional "unconventional" assets we might obtain through all SP DLC's

It isn't going to happen.

Bioware announced they were done with the endings after the EC. Any DLC from this point on is going to take place in the middle of the story, much like Leviathan.

They also firmly stated there would be no new endings in the Extended Cut.

There isn't really, because Refuse is a non canon ending in the same way that the ending where everyone dies on the Suicide Mission is non canon.

If ME4 is set forward in the timeline Bioware is either going to make one of the  3 'win' endings canon (Destroy, Synthesis, or Control) or they are going to try and account for all of them. In either case, Refuse is going to be non canon because it is pushing the self destruct button on the entire universe. That, and it only exists in DLC. That alone guarantees that it will never even be on the table in any discussion regarding a canon ending of ME3.

nope, sythesis is the closes to the finality ending..but thats only because technology has  death grip on the MEU..there is no other choice but acquiescence. Makes folks really mad too..but that's the MEU'n pesky reaperthreads..

[ThaDPG]

Han Shot First wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

ThaDPG wrote...

How many times has the protagonist of a story refused to give up his/her morals, and still come out on top in the face of impossible odds? Too many to count. This isn't real life, this is science fiction, and it's a video game, not "ART" as others would have you believe. BW still has room to write themselves out of this hole, via DLC or full blown expansion, with a successful refusal, plus any additional "unconventional" assets we might obtain through all SP DLC's

It isn't going to happen.

Bioware announced they were done with the endings after the EC. Any DLC from this point on is going to take place in the middle of the story, much like Leviathan.

They also firmly stated there would be no new endings in the Extended Cut.

There isn't really, because Refuse is a non canon ending in the same way that the ending where everyone dies on the Suicide Mission is non canon.

If ME4 is set forward in the timeline Bioware is either going to make one of the  3 'win' endings canon (Destroy, Synthesis, or Control) or they are going to try and account for all of them. In either case, Refuse is going to be non canon because it is pushing the self destruct button on the entire universe. That, and it only exists in DLC. That alone guarantees that it will never even be on the table in any discussion regarding a canon ending of ME3.

True, it is only in DLC, but I just don't think BW is that arrogant, that they'de put a big middle finger to the fans in one of their biggest games.  It seems too much like they're building up to something.  I'm waiting to see what Omega does to "add" or "tweak" the endings

[ShepnTali]

Synthesis is a critical mission failure.


Eye of the beholder.

[Wayning_Star]

AresKeith wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

You don't even get the achievement in refuse.

That and twitter crap about refuse ending and next cycle used Crucible anyway together fart out as middlefinger to fanbase...

OR a sampling of what to do with so many fans going in so many different directions...and not liking it one little iota..

but then, they cannot just say "heres the canon ending, enjoy your game now"..lol

true but they do have to set one of the endings up to be one if they wanna make a sequel

I think they want fans to pick a canon, but I'm thinking that's mission impossible..litterally.. But I'm of the impression that Synthesis is canon, taking the MEU by storm. Someone out there figured out the choices..and it wasn't the Protheans...Humans.... Heck, I wonder who figured out those friggen choices?

[Jadebaby]

Han Shot First wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

ThaDPG wrote...

How many times has the protagonist of a story refused to give up his/her morals, and still come out on top in the face of impossible odds? Too many to count. This isn't real life, this is science fiction, and it's a video game, not "ART" as others would have you believe. BW still has room to write themselves out of this hole, via DLC or full blown expansion, with a successful refusal, plus any additional "unconventional" assets we might obtain through all SP DLC's

It isn't going to happen.

Bioware announced they were done with the endings after the EC. Any DLC from this point on is going to take place in the middle of the story, much like Leviathan.

They also firmly stated there would be no new endings in the Extended Cut.

There isn't really, because Refuse is a non canon ending in the same way that the ending where everyone dies on the Suicide Mission is non canon.

If ME4 is set forward in the timeline Bioware is either going to make one of the  3 'win' endings canon (Destroy, Synthesis, or Control) or they are going to try and account for all of them. In either case, Refuse is going to be non canon because it is pushing the self destruct button on the entire universe. That, and it only exists in DLC. That alone guarantees that it will never even be on the table in any discussion regarding a canon ending of ME3.

First of all, notice what you still called refuse? Doesn't matter whether it's non-canon. It's still an ending.

As for dlc and canon. I already touched upon that, I wont repeat myself.

[ericjdev]

The action mode fills in default dialogue that grants players access to a lot of interesting things, but "it's not canon," Hudson said. "We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon."

And he never lies.

[Wayning_Star]

ThaDPG wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

ThaDPG wrote...

How many times has the protagonist of a story refused to give up his/her morals, and still come out on top in the face of impossible odds? Too many to count. This isn't real life, this is science fiction, and it's a video game, not "ART" as others would have you believe. BW still has room to write themselves out of this hole, via DLC or full blown expansion, with a successful refusal, plus any additional "unconventional" assets we might obtain through all SP DLC's

It isn't going to happen.

Bioware announced they were done with the endings after the EC. Any DLC from this point on is going to take place in the middle of the story, much like Leviathan.

They also firmly stated there would be no new endings in the Extended Cut.

There isn't really, because Refuse is a non canon ending in the same way that the ending where everyone dies on the Suicide Mission is non canon.

If ME4 is set forward in the timeline Bioware is either going to make one of the  3 'win' endings canon (Destroy, Synthesis, or Control) or they are going to try and account for all of them. In either case, Refuse is going to be non canon because it is pushing the self destruct button on the entire universe. That, and it only exists in DLC. That alone guarantees that it will never even be on the table in any discussion regarding a canon ending of ME3.

True, it is only in DLC, but I just don't think BW is that arrogant, that they'de put a big middle finger to the fans in one of their biggest games.  It seems too much like they're building up to something.  I'm waiting to see what Omega does to "add" or "tweak" the endings

mostly Omega will be another chance to dance with what's her name..lol

[ThaDPG]

ShepnTali wrote...

Synthesis is a critical mission failure.


Eye of the beholder.

Truth.  All 3 vanilla endings are immoral in some way.  Refuse is the only one that could turn out to eventually be a physical and moral victory, provided they do add onto it through the upcoming DLC's

[Jadebaby]

Wayning_Star wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

You don't even get the achievement in refuse.

That and twitter crap about refuse ending and next cycle used Crucible anyway together fart out as middlefinger to fanbase...

OR a sampling of what to do with so many fans going in so many different directions...and not liking it one little iota..

but then, they cannot just say "heres the canon ending, enjoy your game now"..lol

true but they do have to set one of the endings up to be one if they wanna make a sequel

I think they want fans to pick a canon, but I'm thinking that's mission impossible..litterally.. But I'm of the impression that Synthesis is canon, taking the MEU by storm. Someone out there figured out the choices..and it wasn't the Protheans...Humans.... Heck, I wonder who figured out those friggen choices?

Don't get me wrong, I like the concept of Synthesis. Just not in the Mass Effect Universe. At all. Ever.

Two reasons.

1) We're told time and time again that unity through diversity is the "true" path.
2) It's a solution to a problem that never existed. Until we see 100% proof that synthetics will always rebel against organics (preferably not just retro-active foreshadowing) then it remains to be complete and utter bollocks, imo.

[ThaDPG]

Wayning_Star wrote...

ThaDPG wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

ThaDPG wrote...

How many times has the protagonist of a story refused to give up his/her morals, and still come out on top in the face of impossible odds? Too many to count. This isn't real life, this is science fiction, and it's a video game, not "ART" as others would have you believe. BW still has room to write themselves out of this hole, via DLC or full blown expansion, with a successful refusal, plus any additional "unconventional" assets we might obtain through all SP DLC's

It isn't going to happen.

Bioware announced they were done with the endings after the EC. Any DLC from this point on is going to take place in the middle of the story, much like Leviathan.

They also firmly stated there would be no new endings in the Extended Cut.

There isn't really, because Refuse is a non canon ending in the same way that the ending where everyone dies on the Suicide Mission is non canon.

If ME4 is set forward in the timeline Bioware is either going to make one of the  3 'win' endings canon (Destroy, Synthesis, or Control) or they are going to try and account for all of them. In either case, Refuse is going to be non canon because it is pushing the self destruct button on the entire universe. That, and it only exists in DLC. That alone guarantees that it will never even be on the table in any discussion regarding a canon ending of ME3.

True, it is only in DLC, but I just don't think BW is that arrogant, that they'de put a big middle finger to the fans in one of their biggest games.  It seems too much like they're building up to something.  I'm waiting to see what Omega does to "add" or "tweak" the endings

mostly Omega will be another chance to dance with what's her name..lol

Never a bad thing, right?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

ShepnTali wrote...

Synthesis is a critical mission failure.


Eye of the beholder.

Sorry, facts are not subjective material. The only way to make this claim is to reject the facts presented by the game.

Eye needs glasses.

[Wayning_Star]

ericjdev wrote...

The action mode fills in default dialogue that grants players access to a lot of interesting things, but "it's not canon," Hudson said. "We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon."

And he never lies.

well "lies" is kind of a strong word.. refuse to admit a canon would be wishy washy, but neccessary, as they'd not tell everyone their ending. It would be 'cheating'..(insider trading?). So it's been mentioned that one of'em spilled the beans tho, and stated that Synthesis was canon.. BSN lurkers didn't like that much tho...and refused to accept it for some reason..

[ThaDPG]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

You don't even get the achievement in refuse.

That and twitter crap about refuse ending and next cycle used Crucible anyway together fart out as middlefinger to fanbase...

OR a sampling of what to do with so many fans going in so many different directions...and not liking it one little iota..

but then, they cannot just say "heres the canon ending, enjoy your game now"..lol

true but they do have to set one of the endings up to be one if they wanna make a sequel

I think they want fans to pick a canon, but I'm thinking that's mission impossible..litterally.. But I'm of the impression that Synthesis is canon, taking the MEU by storm. Someone out there figured out the choices..and it wasn't the Protheans...Humans.... Heck, I wonder who figured out those friggen choices?

Don't get me wrong, I like the concept of Synthesis. Just not in the Mass Effect Universe. At all. Ever.

Two reasons.

1) We're told time and time again that unity through diversity is the "true" path.
2) It's a solution to a problem that never existed. Until we see 100% proof that synthetics will always rebel against organics (preferably not just retro-active foreshadowing) then it remains to be complete and utter bollocks, imo.

The only one that ever saw synthesis as an option was Saren, and we had to shut him down, because he wanted to force it on everyone, just like Shepard would force it on everyone with that choice.  Different means to the same end pretty much

[AresKeith]

Wayning_Star wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

You don't even get the achievement in refuse.

That and twitter crap about refuse ending and next cycle used Crucible anyway together fart out as middlefinger to fanbase...

OR a sampling of what to do with so many fans going in so many different directions...and not liking it one little iota..

but then, they cannot just say "heres the canon ending, enjoy your game now"..lol

true but they do have to set one of the endings up to be one if they wanna make a sequel

I think they want fans to pick a canon, but I'm thinking that's mission impossible..litterally.. But I'm of the impression that Synthesis is canon, taking the MEU by storm. Someone out there figured out the choices..and it wasn't the Protheans...Humans.... Heck, I wonder who figured out those friggen choices?

I don't it would be canon, because that will cause too many problems. Besides people liking or disliking the endings they still divided the fanbase in a bad way. Thats why I mostly said the endings shouldn't have gave choices

[Vox Draco]

kronus the playtpus wrote...

 or bioware could make a new dlc to show where the story is going, an epilogue just like what they did in ME2 with the arrival.

This DLC adds a new option, new massive War assets, and voila makes a refusal option that actually leads to victory and sets the path for ME4, with shepard alive, most of the cycle surviving and have, well, I do not know, those Leviathans or whatnot as enemies for the next trilogy...

successful refuse for canon, I could live with that...and even buy the DLC...at least more worth it than Omega...

[ThaDPG]

sorry, double post

Modifié par ThaDPG, 19 septembre 2012 - 06:00 .

[ShepnTali]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Synthesis is a critical mission failure.


Eye of the beholder.

Sorry, facts are not subjective material. The only way to make this claim is to reject the facts presented by the game.

Eye needs glasses.

Nope. My mission was dead reapers.

[AlanC9]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Synthesis is a critical mission failure.

Eye of the beholder.

Sorry, facts are not subjective material. The only way to make this claim is to reject the facts presented by the game.

Eye needs glasses.

But that's kind of the whole point of IT. The game is lying to you. Even the achievements and epilogue slides.

[Jadebaby]

Vox Draco wrote...

kronus the playtpus wrote...

 or bioware could make a new dlc to show where the story is going, an epilogue just like what they did in ME2 with the arrival.

This DLC adds a new option, new massive War assets, and voila makes a refusal option that actually leads to victory and sets the path for ME4, with shepard alive, most of the cycle surviving and have, well, I do not know, those Leviathans or whatnot as enemies for the next trilogy...

successful refuse for canon, I could live with that...and even buy the DLC...at least more worth it than Omega...

Nice to see you

[ThaDPG]

AresKeith wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

ATiBotka wrote...

You don't even get the achievement in refuse.

That and twitter crap about refuse ending and next cycle used Crucible anyway together fart out as middlefinger to fanbase...

OR a sampling of what to do with so many fans going in so many different directions...and not liking it one little iota..

but then, they cannot just say "heres the canon ending, enjoy your game now"..lol

true but they do have to set one of the endings up to be one if they wanna make a sequel

I think they want fans to pick a canon, but I'm thinking that's mission impossible..litterally.. But I'm of the impression that Synthesis is canon, taking the MEU by storm. Someone out there figured out the choices..and it wasn't the Protheans...Humans.... Heck, I wonder who figured out those friggen choices?

I don't it would be canon, because that will cause too many problems. Besides people liking or disliking the endings they still divided the fanbase in a bad way. Thats why I mostly said the endings shouldn't have gave choices

If BW does decide to pick a canon choice and forgets about refuse, they would upset the least amount of people by going with destroy.  Just from what I've seen here on the BSN

[ATiBotka]

AlanC9 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Synthesis is a critical mission failure.

Eye of the beholder.

Sorry, facts are not subjective material. The only way to make this claim is to reject the facts presented by the game.

Eye needs glasses.

But that's kind of the whole point of IT. The game is lying to you. Even the achievements and epilogue slides.

Bioware is lying!

[Jadebaby]

AlanC9 wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Synthesis is a critical mission failure.

Eye of the beholder.

Sorry, facts are not subjective material. The only way to make this claim is to reject the facts presented by the game.

Eye needs glasses.

But that's kind of the whole point of IT. The game is lying to you. Even the achievements and epilogue slides.

Even without IT the game could still be lying to you in that the Crucible could actually be an enigmatic Reaper trap.

[Vox Draco]

Jade8aby88 wrote...
[Nice to see you

Just passin' through. Damn, just when you think you are over something you read Casey hudson together with ME4 and Fan-suggestions, and all the anger returns...'tis madness!