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[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Emzamination wrote...

I have to disagree with that, you can always attempt to persuade people to think differently.Also the club scene disagrees with you in terms of sex.A woman who initially might not like a guy can be persuaded to have sex with him for many different reasons and vice versa.This is not an Absolute

Some things should remain sacred, no?

Also, welcome to video games, where you can only play in the sandbox built for you and the toys put inside it. You can't program free will and can only include so much nuance because the game can't be in development forever.

Also you are entering some really gross and rocky territory there what with the persuading people who aren't interested to have sex with someone. I'm all for DA portraying fundamentally unhealthy relationships (ANDERS) but let's have some enthusiastic consent in the bedroom.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:13 .

[The Elder King]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

I honestly believe that rejection needs to be a more common thing from Love Interests.

If someone was trying to make me conform to their way of thinking, if they were trying to alter how I felt and what I believe, I would beat the ever-living crap out of them, before politely informing them that a relationship was not going to happen.

Honestly, if anything - Love Interests have been complete push overs, least in my opinion.

In Isabela's friendship romance, she still wants to go on adventures. The only difference is that she wants to go with Hawke.

[Fast Jimmy]

The Hierophant wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
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Have you met people?  That's what they're like.  If you behave in ways they don't like, they won't have sex with you. 

To be fair, I believe Emzamination is a woman, if memory serves me correctly. This doesn't always apply with them. 

Or she can be controlling type person.

Well, yeah, I already said she was a woman. 

 I keed, I keed, I only make jokes because I need a laugh in a boring airport terminal. 

[Isaidlunch]

Is there a Sebastian flirt that isn't just propositioning him for sex? I found that far worse than anything with Isabela.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Emzamination wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Have you met people?  That's what they're like.  If you behave in ways they don't like, they won't have sex with you.

Seriously?  This is your complaint?

I have to disagree with that, you can always attempt to persuade people to think differently.

And you can do that here, as well.  You're allowed to attempt to persuade her otherwise.

You don't succeed.  Again, this appears to be your complaint - that Isabela won't engage in a romance with you entirely on your terms.

[upsettingshorts]

A DX:HR dialogue boss battle with Isabela to convince her that casual sex is bad?

I'll take "Make Sheryl Chee laugh uncontrollably for $800, Alex."

[Sylvanpyxie]

Is there a Sebastian flirt that isn't just propositioning him for sex?

Nope. It's creepy.

In Isabela's friendship romance, she still wants to go on adventures.

Oh, I know.

My problem is the fact that so many are pushing for alternative routes in Romances (which we already have) and pushing to have rejection be removed so that they can explore even more possibilities.

If you push Isabela to commit too fast, she will say no. I consider that to be an acceptable rejection, she isn't ready to commit and if she's pushed towards it she'll snap. There a lot of people, fictional and non-fictional, that do the same thing.

There just has to be things that make the Love Interest in question stop and think "Hang on a minute, no. That's not going to happen". If someone is pushed too far, too fast or too hard on a subject that isn't comfortable for them they're likely to run. I don't see how it's a character flaw - I consider it to be a ideal example of good characterization.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:23 .

[The Hierophant]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...
Honestly, if anything - Love Interests have been complete push overs, least in my opinion.

So you would support Tong Si Hung as a love interest in future games regardless if they're not in the same series, or genre? If you are thinking yes like i think you're going to post anyway, then i agree. <epic trollface>

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

The Hierophant wrote...

So you would support Tong Si Hung as a love interest in future games regardless if they're not in the same series, or genre? If you are thinking yes like i think you're going to post anyway, then i agree. <epic trollface>

I'd tap it.

[Emzamination]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I have to disagree with that, you can always attempt to persuade people to think differently.Also the club scene disagrees with you in terms of sex.A woman who initially might not like a guy can be persuaded to have sex with him for many different reasons and vice versa.This is not an Absolute

Some things should remain sacred, no?

Also, welcome to video games, where you can only play in the sandbox built for you and the toys put inside it. You can't program free will and can only include so much nuance because the game can't be in development forever.

Also you are entering some really gross and rocky territory there what with the persuading people who aren't interested to have sex with someone. I'm all for DA portraying fundamentally unhealthy relationships (ANDERS) but let's have some enthusiastic consent in the bedroom.

Free will is not the issue nor have I ever said it was the issue /subject

It was an example to counter act sylvius argument.I never said Da should implement such a thing but persuasion itself would be nice

Again /subject

[Rinji the Bearded]

Emzamination wrote...
I have to disagree with that, you can always attempt to persuade people to think differently.Also the club scene disagrees with you in terms of sex.A woman who initially might not like a guy can be persuaded to have sex with him for many different reasons and vice versa.This is not an Absolute

Oh, so you want to shame Isabela for being the way she is because you don't like it, and also you're okay with guys not taking "no" for an answer?

Wow, am I ever so glad that BW would never listen to someone like you.

Emzamination wrote...

/subject

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:22 .

[The Hierophant]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

A DX:HR dialogue boss battle with Isabela to convince her that casual sex is bad?

I'll take "Make Sheryl Chee laugh uncontrollably for $800, Alex."

So i take it that you support Tong Si Hung as a future love interest?...good.



Lmao

[upsettingshorts]

ITT: Emzamination argues for the option of Rivalmancing Isabela despite the fact Rivalmancing Isabela already exists as an option, calls everyone else wrong.

[Emzamination]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Have you met people?  That's what they're like.  If you behave in ways they don't like, they won't have sex with you.

Seriously?  This is your complaint?

I have to disagree with that, you can always attempt to persuade people to think differently.

And you can do that here, as well.  You're allowed to attempt to persuade her otherwise.

You don't succeed.  Again, this appears to be your complaint - that Isabela won't engage in a romance with you entirely on your terms.

Again not an absolute, Allan and gaider do it all the time.

No not entirely, there is however no middle ground.It's one extreme or the other.

[mesmerizedish]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

Is there a Sebastian flirt that isn't just propositioning him for sex?

Nope. It's creepy.

Says someone with a Witchblade avatar.

[Emzamination]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

It shouldn't be wholy dependant on the PC. Why should the PC be the only one deciding whether your romance is sacred or not? Factors like the type of person you are dating should also come into play. Are you in a relationship with someone that wants to let everyone know or are you with someone that wants to keep it secret. Different attitudes for different relationships and different characters

Of course not but it shouldn't be wholly dependant on the Npc either.

[mesmerizedish]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

ITT: Emzamination argues for the option of Rivalmancing Isabela despite the fact Rivalmancing Isabela already exists as an option, calls everyone else wrong.

Excellent summary.

[The Hierophant]

Pseudocognition wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

So you would support Tong Si Hung as a love interest in future games regardless if they're not in the same series, or genre? If you are thinking yes like i think you're going to post anyway, then i agree. <epic trollface>

I'd tap it.

Who can blame you.

[2leggywillow]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

ITT: Emzamination argues for the option of Rivalmancing Isabela despite the fact Rivalmancing Isabela already exists as an option, calls everyone else wrong.

/subject

[Emzamination]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

It shouldn't be wholy dependant on the PC. Why should the PC be the only one deciding whether your romance is sacred or not? Factors like the type of person you are dating should also come into play. Are you in a relationship with someone that wants to let everyone know or are you with someone that wants to keep it secret. Different attitudes for different relationships and different characters

Of course not but it shouldn't be wholly dependant on the Npc either.

Okay if get what you mean, then it should be according to both parties. Also this is a valid argument that you have thank you for bringing this up

Thank you

and thanks for not going on some yawnfest ego trip like some of my other fourmites

[paul165]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

In Isabela's friendship romance, she still wants to go on adventures.
Oh, I know.

My problem is the fact that so many are pushing for alternative routes in Romances (which we already have) and pushing to have rejection be removed so that they can explore even more possibilities.

If you push Isabela to commit too fast, she will say no. I consider that to be an acceptable rejection, she isn't ready to commit and if she's pushed towards it she'll snap. There a lot of people, fictional and non-fictional, that do the same thing.

There just has to be things that make the Love Interest in question stop and think "Hang on a minute, no. That's not going to happen". If someone is pushed too far, too fast or too hard on a subject that isn't comfortable for them they're likely to run. I don't see how it's a character flaw - I consider it to be a good example of ideal characterization.

Agreed 100% Isabella makes it very clear what she is looking for and it isn't a white picket fence and 2.4 children. Don't agree with her? Fine but she is not required to agree with you either and if there is one thing Isabella is an expert in it's walking away...

Eventually she changes her mind and does commit to Hawke - if that particular Hawke is interested in that and that for me makes Isabella an interesting and unconventional (for computer games anyway) romance. Although there was Viconia in BG2 which had some similiar ideas I guess.

[upsettingshorts]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Okay if get what you mean, then it should be according to both parties. Also this is a valid argument that you have thank you for bringing this up

If you get what she actually means, please explain it to us.

From where I sit, she doesn't actually care about both parties at all, except as far as she can convince the other party to come around to her point of view.  That is not the same thing.

Also, and I'm going to put this in every future post I make in this thread:  The Rivalry romance already allows this.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:29 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Maybe like in real life, if you find yourself dating someone whose values are incompatible with yours, and they refuse to budge, you can try dating someone else.

There are 3 other love interests in DA2.

And a brothel.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 19 septembre 2012 - 09:32 .