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[Malanek]

Man. When you understand the antagonists motivations, the plot can be just as heinous and scary even though the scale is smaller.

 

However I also think it would be kind of cool to see the species that originally designed the crucible. I can just imagine an advanced and innovative species who were ambushed but figured out how to defeat the Reapers. They didn't have the industrial capacity left to complete the project so instead downloaded their thoughts and genetic sequence into computers. They then used a few agents to guide the following civilizations to try and complete the process and break the cycle. Eventually it worked and the ancient species would remain hidden for now while they started to grow clones and rebuild their power base before returning to assume their natural position as galactic overlords.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Honestly, in my opinion I think this is way, way too small scale. The sequel would feel anticlimactic.

Who says there has to be a sequel?

[Bob from Accounting]

Dread to me isn't really necessarily about scale or brute force. It's about your belief that the antagonist really could screw everything up for the protagonist in the worst possible way. A good example is when the Joker is captured at the police station, but he's sitting there clapping and laughing, and you're just thinking, "Oh no. This guy is up to something. This is bad, very bad."

 

So, they can top them by writing the villain well. Scale or the overwhelming nature of their power is unnecessary.

 

A lot (in fact, nearly all) of what the Joker got away with was pretty contrived. It certainly helps when the dread is backed up by solid plausibility.

 

Also, he's point-blank called an 'Unstoppable Force.' So, really, he is about 'overwhelmingly power.'

[durasteel]

Huh. Well, that's not exactly what I would call small scale, but that does certainly seem like a doable goal.

 

Well... small is relative. Harrison Ford is a tall man, but next to a wookiee, he's small.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Dread is when the Mountain grabs Oberyn by the throat. 

[durasteel]

Who says there has to be a sequel?

 

Millions of fan-dollars, all whispering in the dreams of EA executives.

[dreamgazer]

They could, easily, but I sure hope they don't. They had a hard-enough time with the Reaper mess in ME2 and ME3.

[Kabooooom]

Who says there has to be a sequel?

My bad, my wording was ambiguous and thus that sentence was confusing. I was referring to ME4 (I think the likelihood of it being a sequel is so certain that I accidentally inserted that into the sentence). I meant ME4 would feel anticlimactic to the prior trilogy if all you were doing in the game was what amounted to a turf dispute between rival gangs.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Millions of fan-dollars, all whispering in the dreams of EA executives.

I don't mean there not being another game, it just doesn't have to be a narrative sequel. 

[Kabooooom]

Holy crap the forum just majorly glitched out on me

[Kabooooom]

Not sure why that double posted

[durasteel]

I don't mean there not being another game, it just doesn't have to be a narrative sequel. 

 

I don't know that ME4 is a sequel, but the "what do you want" surveys and responses demonstrate that there is a demand for an "after the reaper war" sequel, so at some point there will be one.

[durasteel]

My bad, my wording was ambiguous and thus that sentence was confusing. I was referring to ME4 (I think the likelihood of it being a sequel is so certain that I accidentally inserted that into the sentence). I meant ME4 would feel anticlimactic to the prior trilogy if all you were doing in the game was what amounted to a turf dispute between rival gangs.

 

That's how I feel about the idea of a prequel, actually. We all know how the First Contact War began and ended, and any characters you get to know in that time period will probably wind up as husks a few decades later anyway.

 

I'd rather play a sequel of anticlimactic scope that was open-ended and re-introduced a MEU that actually had a future.

[Kabooooom]

I don't know that ME4 is a sequel, but the "what do you want" surveys and responses demonstrate that there is a demand for an "after the reaper war" sequel, so at some point there will be one.

I would be genuinely surprised if it isn't a sequel, given that is what the fans almost unanimously want. Ignoring that would be a very questionable business decision.

[Farangbaa]

I would be genuinely surprised if it isn't a sequel, given that is what the fans almost unanimously want. Ignoring that would be a very questionable business decision.

 

You'll buy it anyway, as will I. Because it will most likely be a very good game.

[Bob from Accounting]

I should point out that coming up with new content is something that fans, frankly, overwhelmingly flat-out suck at.

 

Just looking through ideas on the forum should be indicative. The ideas for new content are all heavily derivative or dependant of dependant of content already done in the series, or so generic to be worthless. Where literally every idea about Miranda goes back to her whining about Cerberus or 'giving information on Cerberus' to Shepard. Or taking over the Illusive Man in a complete re-hash of LotSB. 

 

And that's probably true of myself as well. I can figure out how things already there might be fixed, but if asked to think up a new world, new species, new character, I wouldn't even know where to start.

[Kabooooom]

You'll buy it anyway, as will I. Because it will most likely be a very good game.

**** yeah I will, but it doesn't change that it would be a questionable decision to not go the sequel route in the planning stages of the game. Which is why I think it will most likely be a sequel.

[wolfhowwl]

I should point out that coming up with new content is something that fans, frankly, overwhelmingly flat-out suck at.

 

After playing through Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3, it is clear that we're not the only people who suck at it.

[Bob from Accounting]

Wow. What a mature and thoughtful response.

[dreamgazer]

Everything sucks, guys. Everything.

[Reorte]

My bad, my wording was ambiguous and thus that sentence was confusing. I was referring to ME4 (I think the likelihood of it being a sequel is so certain that I accidentally inserted that into the sentence). I meant ME4 would feel anticlimactic to the prior trilogy if all you were doing in the game was what amounted to a turf dispute between rival gangs.

If it's a genuine sequel, as in follows on, then yes, but it's not going to be a sequel in that sense. If it follows on it'll just be set later, with no story connection (well, those are my assumptions anyway) so no anticlimactic feeling. Even if it was anticlimactic that's possibly better than the usual alternative, bigging things up and thus making them more and more ridiculous.

[Bob from Accounting]

Most things do. It's surprising to me how utterly fragile some people are when I point out serious shortcomings in their darling story or videogame. Generally, the same people who shriek that Mass Effect and everything in is the worst writing ever, ever, of course.

[Kabooooom]

If it's a genuine sequel, as in follows on, then yes, but it's not going to be a sequel in that sense. If it follows on it'll just be set later, with no story connection (well, those are my assumptions anyway) so no anticlimactic feeling. Even if it was anticlimactic that's possibly better than the usual alternative, bigging things up and thus making them more and more ridiculous.

I'm hoping they will see the error of "bigging things up" and instead make the new threat a big one, but not a ridiculous one. Like I pointed out a few posts back, the Rachni War and Krogan Rebellions were galaxy spanning wars that offered major moral dilemmas. Although a prequel would be a terrible idea, the concept of a major threat leading to tough decisions would fit a Mass Effect game well. They just don't have to be ancient organic-synthetic demigods.

My guess is they will go the predictable route - new, advanced, and aggressive alien race is discovered behind a dormant relay, previously unopened due to the Rachni War. Predictable, but I would be fine with it.

[grey_wind]

Most things do. It's surprising to me how utterly fragile some people are when I point out serious shortcomings in their darling story or videogame.

Your own behaviour surprises you?