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[sandboxgod]

ProHarris wrote...

The Carnifex nerf is completely unnecessary at this point in the game's life. Continuing to nerf player favorites while essentially ignoring the multitude of crap weapons only makes the game more frustrating, not more fun.

+1!! Let's buff this horrible Disciple.

And really bioware I am hearing that new gun sucks as well. It's not fair my credits is going to go to waste on yet another crappy weapon. This terrible store + awful guns = not happy players

Modifié par sandboxgod, 19 septembre 2012 - 11:17 .

[McAllyster]

Any weight increase on Carnifex is a really bad idea. In fact I'll swap to Wraith instead of using Carnifex on my Adepts or Shadow. So don't nerf it. Buff the other pistols instead.

[neroscuro]

edit: wrong place sorry

Modifié par neroscuro, 19 septembre 2012 - 11:33 .

[Dino]

I think this is reasonable.

[nicethugbert]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

Hey everyone, just so you guys aren't left in the dark, here is what we're thinking of changing to the Carnifex and Piranha for next week's balance changes.

Piranha Shotgun
- Clip size decreased from 8 to 6

Carnifex Pistol
- Encumbrance increased from [1.0-0.5] to [1.2-0.7]

You're not going to get people to use weapons they don't like by ruining weapons that they do like.

[Djarknaein]

Here's a crazy idea. Instead raise Wraith clip to 4 and decrease paladin weight to have it same has carnifex. Maybe just maybe ppl would use them more.

[CMalk]

oh.. no... more weight for carnifex... what a problem O.o

[Shrakelle]

Yep, these are fair enough, won't really make a huge difference, these weapons haven't been destroyed. Hopefully the forum becomes less rageful for now haha. I only used the carnifex on casters when I did use it, so now I probably won't when I have talon + hurricane with ULM. As foe the pirana, I usually reload before the clips run out anyway unless shooting at boss enemies, will will have to wait until I play with it of course to judge properly!

Modifié par Shrakelle, 19 septembre 2012 - 11:52 .

[GodlessPaladin]

Carnifex change seems entirely unnecessary. If anything the Carnifex is overrated... possibly due to the fact that 200% recharge speed is largely overrated since many don't seem to understand that it gives diminishing returns. As is it's less effective than a variety of other options, such as the Acolyte (or, in many cases, simply using heavier weapons).

The Piranha change (combined with a damage nerf... which you guys already implemented) is exactly the one I suggested previously in the Balance All The Things discussion group (and then retracted because it was pointed out that the clip size change would be inconsistent with the graphic of the Piranha itself showing an 8-round barrel).  If flavor consistency isn't an issue though, I agree that it's a step in the right direction.  Changing the clip size would hurt its sustained DPS and effectiveness against bosses, for whom the Piranha's spread is not much of an issue.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 20 septembre 2012 - 12:11 .

[mpompeo27]

Carnifex weight change should be accompanied by a Phalanx damage buff. That would be perfect.

Normally I would never suggest a nerf, but since the decisions seems to already be made I might as well propose something. A Piranha ROF decrease would be more appropriate than a magazine decrease because a 6-shot Piranha will still kill most things in a single clip. Not a major ROF decrease, just a little.

Modifié par mpompeo27, 20 septembre 2012 - 12:10 .

[Magnamus]

Noooo... Leave them alone they're awesome as they are.
Make other weapons better like the Piranha and Carnifex. Create a harder difficulty but don't nerf.

I say no to nerf!

Thanks for the involvement.

[soulstriker09]

well... that's ok.
still don't like the carnifex nerf... it's fine as it is IMO.



...and with that, the firestorm of anti-nerf/pro-nerf threads in BSN is quelled.

[psrz]

ProHarris wrote...

The Carnifex nerf is completely unnecessary at this point in the game's life. Continuing to nerf player favorites while essentially ignoring the multitude of crap weapons only makes the game more frustrating, not more fun.

The Carnifex nerf will hit the casters the harder. That's the only weapon I ever use with them. Now they all are going to negativaley affected. WTF

They intentionally bloated the packs with garbage no one wants to use, so ppl with crazily spam PSPs (either with in-game money or real one), to get something useful. And of course, ppl will those weapons. That's not a brainer.

Now they wanna trash the  weapons they wanted ppl to go after. Brilliant.

How about makiing all the weapons more apealing ?

[Rebel_Raven]

Honestly, while the pirahna change may be reasonable, I'd really rather see more shotguns viable in, and beyond bronze. Few are, and even fewer are caster friendly.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 20 septembre 2012 - 12:42 .

[trunglefever]

The Carnifex weight increase isn't bad. If I can still have 180% CD bonus, I can live with it as long as the damage stays the same.

[blaze55555]

Much appreciation for forewarning as to how you're looking to rebalance these 2 weapons in advance. It's very kind and awesome. Here's my hopes to more of this in the future!

[Lunch Box1912]

Constant Motion wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...

This sort of Piranha nerf, I'm on board with, but why increase the encumbrance of the Carnifex? It's main benefit is that it still does some damage while being usable on power-heavy classes for maintaining good cooldowns. Most powers don't deal enough damage on their own, so a few light weapons that deal good damage is a big part of what makes those classes attractive compared to the weapons based ones that have powers/abilities that directly benefit weapon damage. These classes already struggle on higher difficulties.

It's still useful on power classes, but on lots of them, you can equip pretty much any pistol for 200% cooldown - particularly with the advent of ultra-light pistol materials. I've got classes using Paladins at 197%, and mine's only level IV or so. Giving Carnifex a few extra grammes helps make cooldown concerns relevant again. Sets it that some power classes will do really well with the Carnifex, just as they always have, whereas others might prefer a Phalanx. Re-adds strategy, and cost/reward models, without revoking what made it excellent and what will make it continue to be excellent.

The Piranha has low damage with a larger number of shots per round. If you’re going to lower the shots can we get a bump in damage?

Just my thought.

Modifié par Lunch Box1912, 20 septembre 2012 - 01:17 .

[Lunch Box1912]

Oops didn't realize the Carnfex was just weight

[aarnold1]

Carnifex - It will slow down power users slightly but not end of world.

Piranha - I'd rather leave the clip size to 8 but decrease the total amount of ammo. I'd rather run to ammo boxes more (a firm penalty) than to remove this guns power.

[squidney2k1]

I can live with that.

[BabyfaceAssassin]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

Hey everyone, just so you guys aren't left in the dark, here is what we're thinking of changing to the Carnifex and Piranha for next week's balance changes.

Piranha Shotgun
- Clip size decreased from 8 to 6

Carnifex Pistol
- Encumbrance increased from [1.0-0.5] to [1.2-0.7]

Nerfing is killing the game. Just saying.

[snackrat]

If you have to nerf the Piranha, clip size seems a fair way to do it. Leave the weight so it can still be a caster shotty. Leave the damage and ROF so it can still be one of the FEW weapons good against bosses. That sort of thing.

[xWARx DEMON]

Definetly put many of us at ease with this!

However, piranha's scroll has eight slots in it...idk superficially it's like what the heck?

[Blind2Society]

This carnifex nerf is terrible. For me at least, the only characters that use the carnifex are my AA and HA. Two classes that in no way need a nerf, quite the opposite in fact (warp needs a base AoE explosion on contact, say a meter or so just to eliminate the 'missing' issue. and singularity needs to bypass shields and needs a slightly bigger base radius.)

This carnifex nerf is uncalled for.

[The Makr]

I don't really even use the carnifax anymore because it is outclassed, so I'm not sure why the nerf? Also, piranha nerf is prolly for the good, but saddens my destroyer.

Buff the deciple so casters can have a decent shotgun, now that Prianha is nerfed.