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[JustinSonic]

lazysundae wrote...

Hey wait, the Piranha very visibly has 8 chambers.  masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/N7_Piranha

Are you guys going to actually change how it looks?  Because it will just make our soldiers seem derpy if we're loading an 8 shot with 6 rounds.  Repeatedly.

True, true! If that's not changed, it will be utterly hilarious.

I don't think this weapon needs a nerf whatsoever, even if it is 'down to 6 shots.'  MAYBE 7, but that's pushing it.

[DragonRacer]

Thank you both for involving us in the feedback process before the nerfs and also for helping quiet down the mass hysteria and panic that was coursing through this forum since yesterday's announcement.

Totally reasonable balance changes. I feel my blood pressure going back down now (I'll admit I love both weapons, so feared a Krysae-level nerf of death).

[deathxXxscythe]

+1
Thank you Zero for saying so - those of us who play classes where power casting is 100% of what we do need a significant sidearm to take - the carnifex (or paladin on higher levels)  is the only weapon on Gold+ where it actually does enough damage to justify taking it while keeping the casting percentage above the 190s.  All other weapons that are light enough to take (for those of us who havn't unlocked the Acolyte) are simply there for show, since they don't do enough damage to matter.  Unless you fix the Eagle . 

Making the carifex weigh more is fine - IF you give us other options!!  But if you don't do that you are simply making the game less fun for those of us who kit out this way.

Zero132132 wrote...

This sort of Piranha nerf, I'm on board with, but why increase the encumbrance of the Carnifex? It's main benefit is that it still does some damage while being usable on power-heavy classes for maintaining good cooldowns. Most powers don't deal enough damage on their own, so a few light weapons that deal good damage is a big part of what makes those classes attractive compared to the weapons based ones that have powers/abilities that directly benefit weapon damage. So-called 'caster' classes already struggle on higher difficulties.

[Rem_NL]

Quit the ****ing "balance changes" already! U guy's sure know how to **** up a game!

[ImNewbieSauce]

I hope the community takes note of this post from the devs very closely. BW obviously paid attention to all the tears that were shed over these two guns getting balance changes. So pay attention players, they do listen to your feedback, and try to do what they think is best for the health of the community.

[Rem_NL]

spewing my hatred on balance changes has become more of an priority than actually playing the damn game... makes me wonder why I still care

[RamsenC]

Amazingly smart changes. I'm impressed.

Modifié par RamsenC, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:48 .

[RNG God]

lazysundae wrote...

Hey wait, the Piranha very visibly has 8 chambers.  masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/N7_Piranha

Are you guys going to actually change how it looks?  Because it will just make our soldiers seem derpy if we're loading an 8 shot with 6 rounds.  Repeatedly.

You're not very in touch with lore.

Soldiers load heat sinks into thier weapons to speed up the cooling process.

In lore explanation: Due to all the Phantoms, Atlases and Banshees stuck in the barrel, it's getting clogged up and running hotter, and we need to load more sinks into it to keep it running.

[EmericaJosh]

Even though these nerf's aren't as bad as I thought they were going to be....they still aren't needed at all! Fact is these gun's aren't too powerful, they are just popular. Why nerf what's popular? There will always be a popular gun because A it's fun to use or B works well with certain builds/classes.

Modifié par EmericaJosh, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:56 .

[Esther]

Not so bad then, even though I'd prefer an increase in weight rather than a decrease in clip size for the Piranha.

[ClockworkSpectre]

Those aren't bad, BUT, it still doesn't make sense to nerf the Carnifex. There is a reason that pistol gets used more than the others, it all has to do with most of the other pistols just sucking bad. The Acolyte is just junk, and the Arc pistol has serious problems, ie having to charge it. The Paladin gets passed over for the Carnifex mostly because of the low clip size, it should at least be put back to 4. Besides, i see the Scorpian and Talon often enough to say the Carnifex isn't the only pistol being used, or mostly only being used.

[DHKany]

/agreed

*pours water over the flame wars*

[UpirNoir]

That's exactly the kind of Piranha nerf I was hoping for. The weapon is just to light.

EDIT: Btw, big thanks for giving us the heads up. At least you cut the sh*tstorm short.

Modifié par UpirNoir, 19 septembre 2012 - 06:05 .

[shards7]

Do not give in people! No nerf to these weapons! Buff the underused instead!

[RGFrog]

Carnifex change is absolutely unnecessary. The only justifiable reason is that you WANT players to sacrifice EB, headshot, or piercing mod in favor or requiring the use of ULM.

And by justifiable, I don't mean in a good way. More in the way a bully justifies it's actions.

Considering the original encumbrance was [0.75-0.35] this one is completely unwarranted.

Care to provide a plausible reason other than the lame one about data showing it being used too much?

[RecoonHoodie]

DopedGoat84 wrote...

Actually seems fair...

But Chris can you please please take a look at the Typhoon again! Lots of people saying/wanting a 1.75 ramp up damage bonus instead of the current 1.5. This seems fair no?

This.
And buff the Paladin!

[FasterThanFTL]

Seems fair, also can the delay between the Wraith shots also be decreased, and please release the AT-12 Raider next week just like you released Argus this week, remaining SP guns a week would be very nice way to keep the the community busy between DLC droughts. Also ammo crate refill for platinum should be the same as gold because it just feels glitchy when everyone is waiting in front of ammo crates for them to refill. It feels no purpose but to break the flow of the match and wastes time that should be used to prepare for the next round just like the extra force requirement for staggering Phantom was unnecessary.

If you feel the ammo crate refill rate should remain slow for platinum please explain why it benefits the game other than it being just annoying. Remember high difficulty is fun, annoying is not fun.

Modifié par FasterThanFTL, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:57 .

[GroverA125]

That's agreeable, Nice work Eric (and co. of course, not forgetting you this time!)

The Pirahna nerf will leave it with just enough power to down incoming phantoms, but will inhibit its anti-heavy capabilities to levels more respectable for such a weapon. I've no doubt it'll leave a significant dent in the amount of abuse it recieves, and should put it on a more stable level. I will suggest however, that spare ammo is rounded to the nearest magazine size, though, else it will be another "avenger scenario" where you are graciously gifted half a mag instead of a full one when you're running dry.

As for the Carnifex, it's a fairly decent nerf. That 20% may put some people off, and it puts it on the same ground as the Paladin in terms of weight, not only that, it limits the free use of two mods, as now one will likely be used for Ultralight modding to make up for it, which then costs players something: either their ammo count, piercing capabilities or their damage. It'll also make the Arc Pistol and similar weapons that bit more appealing, now that their main competitor is out off the spotlight. That said though, the primary reason it was used is because it managed to fit the bill perfectly. It wasn't truly overpowered, it was just light enough that its use wouldn't harm power users while also providing a fair damage. Since it's a pistol, it already has the factors that casters want (good short-term DPS, decent capacity and reliable accuracy), and that's what made it good. I'm sure that something else will claim it's title someday, however, it's a pretty hard role to fill perfectly. And now that this'll see less use, other weapons may get more love.

[BlackbirdSR-71C]

The Carnifex is not overperforming. It can barely meassure up to the good weapons. It does not need a nerf. The underperforming weapons need a buff instead.

Modifié par BlackbirdSR-71C, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:57 .

[General_Ktan]

It's very good to see this information available to the players. I think this level of transparency is beneficial to both the players and probably to you in terms of the feedback you can gather.

[Domnuxx]

You just saved BSN from a lot of threads and petitions.

The nerfs seem reasonable, but please, look into buffing weaker weapons.

[waltervolpatto]

ok.
piranha =

carnifex =

Overall =

I will keep playing the game...

[ctr2yellowbird]

Slight nerfs? In my game? BioWare, I am disappoint.

I like how these proposed changes reduce what supposedly makes these weapons good, without actually impacting every in-game scenario using them.

Edit: And thanks for the preview. Week long ****storm partially avoided, faith restored.

Modifié par ctr2yellowbird, 19 septembre 2012 - 05:59 .