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[Vovea]

 I've never said 'whom' unless mocking someone cleverer than myself, because I'm a big fat moron. Not getting words right in conversation is like realism, man.

[Kail Ashton]

lol is this a bad joke thread or a very sad knitpicking one? it's hard to tell, my sympathies to the topic creator's parents regardless

[Allan Schumacher]

Everyone has their own pet peeves and he's free to express them here without attack on his character, though, right everyone?

[Plaintiff]

Tell you what. You make two AAA video games and then we'll all get together and see how many grammatical and continuity errors we can find in your work.

If it turns out you have less combined errors than the DA series so far, you can rant to your heart's content.

[Fast Jimmy]

I have more patience with video games, which have TENS OF THOUSANDS of lines of text than I do with books, which only go for a a few hundred pages on average (usually double spaced).

If you did a word count for your average novel versus your average Bioware game, then counted the number of grammatical/typo/spelling errors in both, I think you'd find the percentages are definitely MUCH lower in the video game side.

I understand it being something that grates on one's nerves (I'm the same way, a total grammar Member of the German National Socialist Party in most things) but considering the huge VOLUME being dealt with in games with lots and lots of branching dialogue, the error rates are surprisingly low.

I mean... its not like we've ever seen an "All Your Base Are Belong To Us" in a Dragon Age game.

[KiwiQuiche]

lol continuity

EDIT: Also in my school saying "Bethany and I" would have been correct, not "Bethany and me"

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 20 septembre 2012 - 12:52 .

[Alyka]

I think the whole "Bethany and me" line was put in to show the rivalry between Hawke and Carver.
It's like as if Carver couldn't think of anything clever to say and used "me" instead of "I" when he repeated Hawke's line back to him/her, to disassociate himself from Bethany and Hawke.But, it wound up making him look stupid. At least that's the way I took it.

Modifié par Alyka, 20 septembre 2012 - 02:42 .

[Moroch]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I don't like the notion that there is a lack of effort...

Actually, I agree that was childish and I'll change the topic title if possible. I know effort went in. I was just sad about the grammar of my character (who I like to think of as intelligent and I know linguistics aren't a measure of intellect but I like good grammar) and I was sad to see a game so rich with lore have simple things wrong like someone actually asking you for a reagent from a beast that according to Witch Hunt DLC is a thing of myth along with various other things.

I guess it all boils down to the fact that the formula BioWare used for DA: O was for me; perfect. DAII just seems like a Dungeon run game and even BioWare must admit that copy pasting all those dungeons was lazy... it was.

KiwiQuiche wrote...

lol continuity

EDIT: Also in my school saying "Bethany and I" would have been correct, not "Bethany and me"

 

"Bathany and I went to the market today" is correct because
"I went to the market today" is correct.

"Bethany and me went to the market" is wrong because
"Me went to the market" is wrong.

"Me and Bethany went to the market" sounds ok, but is wrong according to the rules of the English language.

"I would like you to come with Bethany and I" is wrong because
"I would like you to come with I" is wrong.

"I would like you to come with Bethany and me" is correct because
"I would like you to come with me" is correct.

It is a simple way I use for remembering which form to use. It is sadly not widely taught in schools so no doubt either way would likely have been fine and no one would have told you any differently.

[Heimdall]

I'm okay with some grammar hiccups in spoken dialogue. Frankly, most people make grammar mistakes all the time, especially when they speak.

[Maverick827]

Moroch wrote...

Whom is used in only one context, when it is the subject of the sentence.

Did you mean "object?"

Don't worry, it's a common mistake.

[Chaia]

Wow you've made me terrified to ever write again lol, but seriously, I agree that continuity should be carefully kept (espically for such a lore pushed game) but as for DA2's grammer you have to admit given the sheer volume of text DA2 must have had only having a few gammer mistakes that you can remember off the top of your head is pretty good; alas we are all human and mistakes do happen.

Then again I don't mind it if character uses the wrong grammer now and then whilst speaking (or in-game letters/notes), not that I don't care about grammer, it just depends on the character in question.
For example if your talking to, say, a trader or a thug who is at best only partly literate and hasn't had a formal education that you would expect from the aristocracy its a tad unrealisitic for them to speak with perfect grammer as though they went to an exspensive private school; it just makes them seem more...human?. But vice versa I would expect the nobility of the game to speak with near perfect grammer as I would expect from my countries nobility.

[Maria Caliban]

Nimpe wrote...

Nobody says "whom" ever.

I use whom.

KiwiQuiche wrote...

lol continuity

EDIT: Also in my school saying "Bethany and I" would have been correct, not "Bethany and me"

Your school is crap.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:02 .

[Wulfram]

Maria Caliban wrote...
I use whom.
.

I occasionally use whom.  I then think "Oh [bother], why did I just use whom?"  Particularly since I have no clue as to whether I used it correctly

[eggs on leggs]

Forgive me if I am wrong but are there not variants in grammar? These depend on where you live (whether it be country or region) and also age group?


Take my above paragraph for example; my school and stepfather were very strict when it came to us using correct grammar and punctuation. Personally most of the time I prefer using words like “I’m” instead of I am and “aren’t” instead of “are not” (or as above are there not), I’m not being lazy but times have changed and it’s become more socially acceptable even in many schools.


Therefore in MY personal opinion, grammar in games (and also pronunciation come to think of it) doesn’t bother me in the slightest.

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to give an example!

[Maria Caliban]

eggs on leggs wrote...

Forgive me if I am wrong but are there not variants in grammar? These depend on where you live (whether it be country or region) and also age group?

There are two variants of English grammar: correct and incorrect. While there are arguments as to what constitutes 'correct,' using I as a direct object is nowhere near that category.

Do people routinely use incorrect grammar? Yes.

Take my above paragraph for example...

Your above paragraph used correct English grammar. The sentence structure was unusual, but that's not the exact same thing as grammar.

Personally most of the time I prefer using words like “I’m” instead of I am and “aren’t” instead of “are not” (or as above are there not), I’m not being lazy but times have changed and it’s become more socially acceptable even in many schools.

Your listed contractions are grammatically correct.

[eggs on leggs]

Maria Caliban wrote...

eggs on leggs wrote...

Forgive me if I am wrong but are there not variants in grammar? These depend on where you live (whether it be country or region) and also age group?

There are two variants of English grammar: correct and incorrect. While there are arguments as to what constitutes 'correct,' using I as a direct object is nowhere near that category.

Do people routinely use incorrect grammar? Yes.

Take my above paragraph for example...

Your above paragraph used correct English grammar. The sentence structure was unusual, but that's not the exact same thing as grammar.

Personally most of the time I prefer using words like “I’m” instead of I am and “aren’t” instead of “are not” (or as above are there not), I’m not being lazy but times have changed and it’s become more socially acceptable even in many schools.

Your listed contractions are grammatically correct.

I feel like I'm back at school....I'll go and sit in the corner right away!  (THAT'S A JOKE BY THE WAY..HENCE WINK)

[Ninja Stan]

Sorry, but nitpicking over grammar and syntax is not what this forum is for. Of course, the writers and editors (and even QA) do their best in stamping out errors, but they have a lot of work to do besides dealing with words.

End of line.