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[Duchessban1]

What would be really cool is if ME3 was really all a dream and nightmare of Shepard's and that his/her real story comes out in ME4. This is my wish, but I know I am only dreaming or am I. One could only hope!

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

It would be like Dragon Age: Origins Awakening. You can choose to continue on with Shepard, or you can continue on with a new character.

[Grizzly46]

This is the kind of stupidity that gives me an headache.

First of all, it has been said that ME3 is the end of SHepard's story, period.
Secondly, no variables are saved in ME3 to be used inj a direct sequel.
It has been stated (as other have said too) that that last breath might very well be a last breath.

Shepard might live or die, it doesn't matter. Next game will have another protagonist.

There. Could we PLEASE stop this kind of inane speculation now, or dow I need to draw a flow chart?

[Element_Zero]

Why bring Shepard back over and over again? Isn't there room for other characters??? Hell if you want to play your future character like Shepard then do so?

But give creators / writters room to imagine and come up with something else !!!

The thing I always feared from the get go with Shepard's trilogy was at some point Shepard was going to get morphed into something totally unrecognizable from the 1st GAME. And some fans felt Shepard was. . . if you've read though the forums enough.

After all wouldn't it be nice to explore other aspects of the Mass Effect Universe ???

Isn't there room in the Universe for OTHER ROLES and storylines ???  Spy? Investigator? Police Officer? Peacemaker? Warlord? Explorer? Partisan? Freedom fighter?. . . etc etc etc ???

Have other options to play different races ???

Maybe one that isn't always at the 'head' of the galaxy but moves within the sidelines (to build up the their story,) and occausionally wanders (via accidental or intential actions) into effecting galactic changing events?

If push came to shove I guess I wouldn't be against having Shepard's child play some role a future game. Rather the child be created by involvement with the love interest or though some reasonable DNA introduction.

The Mass Effect universe has introduced us to a few differing societies ! Why not explore them a bit !!!

I'm really hate it when fans typecast a game to death . . . These things tend to make games dull.

[Snypy]

Grizzly46 wrote...

This is the kind of stupidity that gives me an headache.

First of all, it has been said that ME3 is the end of SHepard's story, period.
Secondly, no variables are saved in ME3 to be used inj a direct sequel.
It has been stated (as other have said too) that that last breath might very well be a last breath.

Shepard might live or die, it doesn't matter. Next game will have another protagonist.

There. Could we PLEASE stop this kind of inane speculation now, or dow I need to draw a flow chart?

What do you mean by this: "no variables are saved in ME3 to be used inj a direct sequel"? That the ending we chose isn't saved? It's not really a big deal, because there can only be one ending for the sequel nevertheless. And the other variables are okay as far as I know.

[Dr_Extrem]

Grizzly46 wrote...

This is the kind of stupidity that gives me an headache.

First of all, it has been said that ME3 is the end of SHepard's story, period.
Secondly, no variables are saved in ME3 to be used inj a direct sequel.
It has been stated (as other have said too) that that last breath might very well be a last breath.

Shepard might live or die, it doesn't matter. Next game will have another protagonist.

There. Could we PLEASE stop this kind of inane speculation now, or dow I need to draw a flow chart?

calling other people stupid, is not a sign of smartness.

if no variables a saved, a sequel is going to have a big problem. there are too many variables in this game, that shake the very foundations of the galaxy - not only the different endings.

the "last breath" statement could have been made to fire up more speculations - also, there was a complete 180° statement from the devs as well. 

shepard not being the protagonist is not the problem. making the new one cool, interesting and fresh is. introducing a new hero is very difficult - especially, if the old one is loved and his/her story felt unfinished. many people will give a new hero a chance - i certainly will ... as long, as there is a demo to play. this procedure worked good for me with da2.

a flowchart will not change the problems the new one will face. he/she will not only fight against the new threat, there will be a second frontline right here on bsn.

apropo ...flowcharts. the me3 ending and the (in)famous "lots of speculation" statement was not at the end of it.

a sequel without shepard and the decisions we let him/her make, would feel a little bit forced and the story/protagonist would be very limited (storywhise) inside the universe. 
a prequel is a very bad idea. we all know, that it is going to end in tears - in addition, the conditions would be very limited.
spinoffs have potential ... but we still have no chance to make a bigger impact on the galaxy than shep did and it would still take part within sheps story.

i would have written an other ending in the first place (although bw left some doors open) or would have let the whole franchise die in a blaze.

no matter what road the devs are taking - there are big rocks on it. 

[iDeevil]

Grizzly46 wrote...

This is the kind of stupidity that gives me an headache.

First of all, it has been said that ME3 is the end of SHepard's story, period.
Secondly, no variables are saved in ME3 to be used inj a direct sequel.
It has been stated (as other have said too) that that last breath might very well be a last breath.

Shepard might live or die, it doesn't matter. Next game will have another protagonist.

There. Could we PLEASE stop this kind of inane speculation now, or dow I need to draw a flow chart?

why is it 'inane' speculation?  Truth is the revs and writers can make a ME4, with Shepard, and there will be more then enough save data.  He'll, they could go w/ indoctrination theory or something else if they so chose.

I get it, you don't buy into the speculation, truth is at his point everything is speculation - even what he producers say.

[Veganterror]

No no no no no. Let the poor fella rest. Shepard has saved the galaxy one too many times now.

[N7 Legend Titi]

Look he died. He completed his journeym hes gone. Get over it, lets move on to a new journey with new experiences in ME4.

[iDeevil]

I think it's a credit to BioWare how attached we have become to Shepard and or her/he's squad. Personally while I loved my Shep, I adored her squad and Id hate to loose them.

That bein said, I'm pretty open to any possibility. Let the writers write the story they want/are allowed IMO.

[CaIIisto]

Losing the central protagonist, and the rest of the cast is a huge gamble.

Deep Space Nine and Voyager - both set in the same fictional universe, both following certain conventions within certain parameters - ultimately one was brilliant while the other was garbage.

A new story, and a new set of characters may work. Equally, it may not. Any new characters are inevitably going to be compared, and most, are going to be very difficult to measure up against.

It's a huge gamble, and seriously, are EA-era BW really going to take such a risk?

[Dr_Extrem]

Bester76 wrote...

Losing the central protagonist, and the rest of the cast is a huge gamble.

Deep Space Nine and Voyager - both set in the same fictional universe, both following certain conventions within certain parameters - ultimately one was brilliant while the other was garbage.

A new story, and a new set of characters may work. Equally, it may not. Any new characters are inevitably going to be compared, and most, are going to be very difficult to measure up against.

It's a huge gamble, and seriously, are EA-era BW really going to take such a risk?

lets just say ... if the gamble pays of and we get a realy good new hero, story and crew - ok .. i can live with it ... at least till they shoot the new hero in the back like they did with shepard. ea will be happy and we get me5

if the gamble fails (what is almost certain at the current state of the story), bioware gets the point blank shot to the head . the doctors are gone and with them, the last line of defense. ea is as evil as the other publishers - they just dont cover it up. da2 was a desaster, tor (despite being a really good game) failed and me3 stirred up the community against the devs like no other game before. hell .. bsn is practially dead, with only a few people visiting this board anymore. bw reputation has suffered heavy and the support of the community is almost gone.

but at least, bw will go down in an blaze ... i wish they gave shepard the same chance.

[Kevlar xD]

There's no point in continuing Shepard's story line. Regardless of however good or bad the ending was, his/her "hero's journey" is over. Shepard was introduced as humanity and the galaxy's only and last hope in fighting the Geth and, transitively, the Reapers (because we learn that the Geth and Saren are doing the Reapers' bidding). The war with the Reapers, however poorly, is resolved.

Characters that are given the depth and purpose that Shepard was cannot meaningfully be repurposed when the character's overarching, sole purpose--to overcome the Reapers--was so clear. What if Batman comics/cartoons/movies turned from Batman protecting Gotham to Batman devoting all his time to finding a cure for cancer? His character becomes meaningless because you remove what originally defined and motivated him and the second struggle seems trivial to the first, no matter what it is.

I'm just curious how ME4 would be--what with the different endings of the first trilogy. The ME universe has a ton of room for exploration, but it's hard to pull off with the awkwardness of the first trilogy's ending. So open, yet so closed.

Modifié par Kevlar xD, 23 septembre 2012 - 09:22 .

[CaIIisto]

Well that's the other part of the problem. From an emotional investment point of view, am I likely to want to bother considering that, for me, BW didn't wrap up Shepard's story sufficiently?

[Grizzly46]

iDeevil wrote...

why is it 'inane' speculation?  Truth is
the revs and writers can make a ME4, with Shepard, and there will be
more then enough save data.  He'll, they could go w/ indoctrination
theory or something else if they so chose.

I get it, you don't buy into the speculation, truth is at his point everything is speculation - even what he producers say.

This is what I was talking about:

There
Are
No
Variables
Saved
From
ME3

And
there is no speculation regarding the future of Mass Effect's Shepard.
The devs have clearly stated that ME3 is the end of that story. Shepard
is done, gone, dead, a god, buried, alive and happy... Whatever. But
Shepard will not feature in a ME4. That is just wishful thinking from
the fans.

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Grizzly46 wrote...

This is the kind of stupidity that gives me an headache.

First of all, it has been said that ME3 is the end of SHepard's story, period.
Secondly, no variables are saved in ME3 to be used inj a direct sequel.
It has been stated (as other have said too) that that last breath might very well be a last breath.

Shepard might live or die, it doesn't matter. Next game will have another protagonist.

There. Could we PLEASE stop this kind of inane speculation now, or dow I need to draw a flow chart?

calling other people stupid, is not a sign of smartness.

if no variables a saved, a sequel is going to have a big problem. there are too many variables in this game, that shake the very foundations of the galaxy - not only the different endings.

the "last breath" statement could have been made to fire up more speculations - also, there was a complete 180° statement from the devs as well. 

shepard not being the protagonist is not the problem. making the new one cool, interesting and fresh is. introducing a new hero is very difficult - especially, if the old one is loved and his/her story felt unfinished. many people will give a new hero a chance - i certainly will ... as long, as there is a demo to play. this procedure worked good for me with da2.

a flowchart will not change the problems the new one will face. he/she will not only fight against the new threat, there will be a second frontline right here on bsn.

apropo ...flowcharts. the me3 ending and the (in)famous "lots of speculation" statement was not at the end of it.

a sequel without shepard and the decisions we let him/her make, would feel a little bit forced and the story/protagonist would be very limited (storywhise) inside the universe. 
a prequel is a very bad idea. we all know, that it is going to end in tears - in addition, the conditions would be very limited.
spinoffs have potential ... but we still have no chance to make a bigger impact on the galaxy than shep did and it would still take part within sheps story.

i would have written an other ending in the first place (although bw left some doors open) or would have let the whole franchise die in a blaze.

no matter what road the devs are taking - there are big rocks on it. 

I actually agree with you - I'm just getting sick and tired of the endless speculations over Shepard in a ME4.

My personal guess is that if there will be a ME4, it will be an inquel. this would make the most sense, there would be no need for retconning or making something canon (which would ****** a lot of people off - and considering Bioware's bad rep at the moment, that should really be avoided).

[Grizzly46]

Snypy wrote...

Grizzly46 wrote...

This is the kind of stupidity that gives me an headache.

First of all, it has been said that ME3 is the end of SHepard's story, period.
Secondly, no variables are saved in ME3 to be used inj a direct sequel.
It has been stated (as other have said too) that that last breath might very well be a last breath.

Shepard might live or die, it doesn't matter. Next game will have another protagonist.

There. Could we PLEASE stop this kind of inane speculation now, or dow I need to draw a flow chart?

What do you mean by this: "no variables are saved in ME3 to be used inj a direct sequel"? That the ending we chose isn't saved? It's not really a big deal, because there can only be one ending for the sequel nevertheless. And the other variables are okay as far as I know.

You really think so? If the devs go for a canon ending, don't you think people will be PO'ed? I know I would, and do you think Bioware could afford getting that kind of rap after the ending complains or all other complains they have got? Remember Dragon age 2?

And no, the ending is not saved, and neither is anything else, since ME3 was the end of Shepard's story.

[Dr_Extrem]

Grizzly46 wrote...

I actually agree with you - I'm just getting sick and tired of the endless speculations over Shepard in a ME4.

My personal guess is that if there will be a ME4, it will be an inquel. this would make the most sense, there would be no need for retconning or making something canon (which would ****** a lot of people off - and considering Bioware's bad rep at the moment, that should really be avoided).

we are currnetly where bw wants us ... we are speculating over the ending(s). from time to time, a pr-person spills some fresh oil into the fire and the whole debate starts at the beginning.

i bet they are laughing their a**es off, everytime they pull another stunt off.


the problem is, that they burried shepard in a very bad way ... and it was intended. even if a new hero can win the communitys hearts, i fear the worst for the 3rd new games end.

inquels can be fun - but the overall galactic situation will be static and no subject to change - this limits your story telling. it does not matter how good your new hero will perform - the outcomes are given and "set in stone".


they should let the whole franchise die ... prequels are bad ideas, because we already know a lot about the past (and the outcome), a new hero will have the worst starting positions you can imagine and the biggest enemies in the galaxy are dead. you cant get any higher - the top is reached.

[iDeevil]

Sorry, but my ending is saved on my PS3. I can, without any gameplay, boot up ME3, click my game and watch my Shep live, or die, without any gameplay, in the same way I chose. That my friend is variable SAVED data.

That may, or may not, prove to count. But Grizzly46, in the end revs told us mE wasn't comin to PS3. It will be. Things change, often. I get you're sick of the speculation, but if it annoys you so much why visit threads that are about speculation?

[Omega Torsk]

ratzerman wrote...

Shepard is dead. The devs even went out of their way to point out that the "alive" ending could very well be a last breath.

Actually, that was just Hepler trolling the fans.

The real ending is limited only by your own imagination.


But no, Shepard's story is over. Time to move on. Personally, I don't see a point in furthering the series.

[juhi95]

Mass Effect will not be the same without Shepard. ://