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[Granville8]

Derek Hollan wrote...


Why are you using the Piranha?

I use it at point blank to take out the boss enemies.

As powerful as it is, it really does serve a niche.

On Kroguard I still like using the Reegar Carbine.

[Blarg]

Okay, so this is why I use the Piranha:

It has light weight, making it a great caster's shotgun, and so it gets put on vanguards and infiltrators.
It has a high rate of fire and clip capacity, allowing me to mow through more low tier enemies than any other shotgun.
The mid-range damage, when combined with the fire rate and good clip capacity, allows the relatively easy dispatch of mid tier enemies. When combined with AP mods/ammo as well as a class with many passive power buffs (ex. GI, Destroyer) allows me to then, and ONLY then, dispatch high tier bosses much more easily.

However, all of this is offset by the need to be rather close to use it effectively, meaning that only very durable or very nimble characters can use it without being gunned down, and even then they need a team to cover them in order to stay alive on higher difficulties.

So that's why I use it. It's a very potent primary in the right combination, and a handy secondary when not. I realize that doesn't mean it shouldn't be nerfed, it just means that the rest of the combination should not be nerfed.

Anyways, to bring it in line with other shotguns, I would do as is being done, and reduce clip capacity. However, it would be interesting to have a shotgun clip mod similar to that of the AR and pistol mods introduced to expand that capacity, forcing players to choose between accuracy, clip cap, ammo reserve, damage, melee damage, and armour piercing. You could also nerf the accuracy, forcing players to get even closer, resulting in more risk/reward play styles.

And as a side note, please buff the Wraith. Either increase rate of fire/ammo reserve + decrease reload speed, or buff the damage and decrease ammo/fire rate, making it like a two shot Claymore with less ammo, is what I'd do.

[Colin87]

It's perfect for most of my Vanguards, who like to get up close with the enemy anyway, rely on lighter weapons, and don't often feel like taking the time to line up a perfect headshot after a frantic Charge. The Reegar also works for this, and is actually better damage wise from what I can tell, but it just doesn't feel as satisfying as a nice auto shotgun. Other than that, though, I mostly stick with the Claymore, GPS, or Wraith, depending on weight limits or most effective ranges for whatever character I'm playing with.

[llandwynwyn]

Nice try, but I'm actually using my Crusader more than the Piranha. 

Anyway, we all know why people are using the Piranha. It's light for caster classes, helps them deal with cheap bosses and it works even on lagging games. Let's be honest, its damage (not on the geth/TS/Destroyer) isn't really that great.

[nhcre8tv1]

It's low weight makes it good for casters, it packs the same punch as a Claymore in less time and can be used on almost any class. effectively. I don't use it much, I use the Reegar more.

[Spartanburger]

Derek Hollan wrote...

Ok,

So, you have a Claymore, a Geth Plasma Shotgun, a Graal Spike Thrower, a Disciple, a Reegar Carbine, a Piranha, a Wraith, and a Crusader. All gold plus the ultra rare and promo shotguns.

Why are you using the Piranha?

And don't give me, "Because the other shotguns suck!" That will just get you ignored.

Cheers

Well now, lets see here.



First off, I still don't have the wraith for some reason, so I won't be talking about that.

The Claymore was one of the first guns I got. I used it back in the demo, and I still use it (sometimes) now. I found it was rather good on the Human Vanguard. One thing I liked about it (before the spread increase) was how accurate it could be with the smart choke on it. I was on a match with someone using the widow. At a distance better suited for sniper rifles, I mail-slotted guardians frequently. That was goddamn awesome. Alas, I don't think that's possible any more. It has fallen in my eyes simply because the reload speed is so long that, unless you can one-shot all but the bosses, you are rather screwed. Even on silver. I mean, on silver it is difficult to get a one shot on a shielded enemy (marauder, rawketglitcher, centurion) unless it's a direct headshot. Even then the damage done seems to be random.

I still use it on my Krogan from time to time though. Nice and interesting.

Now the Geth Plasma Shotgun and the a Graal Spike Thrower I classify as the same weapon. They have the same mussel velocity, have the same charge up mechanism that screws with my ability to hit anything (click down to shoot, not click-and-release to shoot), only with different ammo capacities, clip sizes, and spread. They have some fundamental flaws though, outlined in this video. In short, it is rare to find a public server with a low enough latency for these weapons to be usable. If you want to use them you have to host the match, otherwise it takes almost half a second to hit anything a meter or two away. That and the fact that (and this is true for every gun with a travel time in the projectile) the bullets ignore gravity (math and reasoning shown in the video).

I tried the Disciple once. Generally, it takes more than spitballs to kill enemies, so I don't really even consider the weapon usable on anything over bronze.

The Reegar Carbine is a very unique weapon. I think it is balanced because of the inherit risk involved in using it. You have to get very close, and you run out of ammo quickly. I like using it for the Kroguard.

The Crusader is a strange weapon for me. I think it really needs a scope, and it feels like it should be doing more damage than it does (note: I haven't used it since last balance changes). That said, I like it more than the current state of the Claymore.

The Piranha is interesting to me. I was using it and thinking of how it was still rather powerful in regards to the rest of the rare weapons. I thought that making it an UR would be good, but that kinda screws over those who haven't already gotten it. I think that decreasing the damage or Rof would render it obsolete, and I think that the decrease in clip size will be a good balance.

Now, the Piranha, in my eyes, is very similar to my fourth favorite shotgun to use: The Scimitar. Currently, the gun doesn't really do enough damage for me to use it (I only use it on my fury), but everything about the feel of the weapon just makes me want to use it more and more. It is the same reason why I like the Piranha: The feel of the weapon is so damn good, and the Piranha actually has the performance to match dat incredible feel.

My favorite shotguns (in order) are:

1. Piranha
2. Reegar Gethbuster (who ya gonna call?)
3. Talon (It's a shotgun. No, don't say it. I don't care. It's a bloody shotgun and it is awesome)
4. Scimitar
5. Crusader
6. Claymore
7-infinity: everything else
infinity+1: Eagle
Inifnity+2: Disciple

[TheJtav]

I use the Piranha because it is lightweight and deals high damage at very close range.

For the love of god, if you are going to nerf the piranha again this upcoming Tuesday make it weigh more not decrease the damage.

[baldmop]

Honestly the Piranha is just fun to use for me . The sound of it is awesome .

    I don't really like it though  I am a crusader person myself because it is the only shotgun that shoots slugs .

[ClockworkSpectre]

Derek Hollan wrote...

Ok,

So, you have a Claymore, a Geth Plasma Shotgun, a Graal Spike Thrower, a Disciple, a Reegar Carbine, a Piranha, a Wraith, and a Crusader. All gold plus the ultra rare and promo shotguns.

Why are you using the Piranha?

And don't give me, "Because the other shotguns suck!" That will just get you ignored.

Cheers

First, I only use the Piranha on the N7 Destroyer and Geth Infiltrator.  I have tried it on other classes, even with the smart choke, and it is just disapointing.

I don't really ever use shotguns on any other classes either, I would love to use the wraith more often, but the RoF, clip size and spare ammo all need to be increased, its a damn UR it should perform like one.  I can't say much about the Graal since I don't really use it, and the reeger I don't like because the range kinda sucks, and I just can't get it to perform very well.  I don't use the GPS because it is a charge weapon, I HATE having to charge a weapon like that.  After the last buff to the Crusader I have found it worth using some times, but it has some major issues with firing blanks(there are many weapons that seem to suffer from this.).  The disciple just seems like it shoots foam pellets.

So, I would say buff the Wraith, big time.  And others like the Graal and Crusader suffer from flaws in the game rather than something actually wrong with them.  And, I can't help it, I have to say buff the Paladin back to a 4 shot clip(yes I know, off topic, but I would use the paladin over the carnifex if it had more shots).

[DeathScepter]

Derek Hollan wrote...

Ok,

So, you have a Claymore, a Geth Plasma Shotgun, a Graal Spike Thrower, a Disciple, a Reegar Carbine, a Piranha, a Wraith, and a Crusader. All gold plus the ultra rare and promo shotguns.

Why are you using the Piranha?

And don't give me, "Because the other shotguns suck!" That will just get you ignored.

Cheers

Geth Plasma Shotgun is my personal favorite.  Even the Eviscator is a good Uncommon weapon. And Piranha is both pretty and pretty aggressive.

Personally I would buff all shot guns.

Modifié par DeathScepter, 20 septembre 2012 - 12:11 .

[stysiaq]

Derek Hollan wrote...

Ok,

So, you have a Claymore, a Geth Plasma Shotgun, a Graal Spike Thrower, a Disciple, a Reegar Carbine, a Piranha, a Wraith, and a Crusader. All gold plus the ultra rare and promo shotguns.

Why are you using the Piranha?

And don't give me, "Because the other shotguns suck!" That will just get you ignored.

Cheers

The answer you want is "Because it's better than the other shotguns", but you won't get it from me. I won't justify the nerfs.

I use Piranha on GI and Destroyer, because they can still make a devastating weapon out of it. I rarely play them, but sometimes I just want to feel that I'm powerful. I still kind of roleplay while playing ME3, and this is as far as the horde mode allows me to roleplay - to feel like a specialised Geth unit designed to dish out as much damage as possible, or a heavy weapons guy. Points and credits are a secondary objective for me.

I use a gun if it fits a character. Claymore on Krogans, Kishock on Batarians. High DPS weapons on Destroyer and GI. Caster weapons on casters.

I don't use Disciple, because it is too weak and my skill doesn't make up for it's low power. One time I played with a Drellguard who topped the score with Disciple. I can't do that. I'm not a player who scores over 100k no matter the class and loadout.

Piranha is good. It's easy to use, has the firepower, it looks okay (but not as awesome as the Disciple), it fits some characters. It is (kinda) new, so folks aren't bored with it to death, see GPS (I rarely see anyone using it, whereas it was quite common in the early days).

You'll nerf the Piranha. Okay, I get it, it makes the packs easier to get. The nerf will be reasonable, and won't interfere with my playstyle. But it won't make it less used by me. I won't switch to Claymore on my Paladin, because I had enough Claymore matches, and I didn't have a single Human Soldier Piranha match yet. There's still much to test!

The MP is brilliant despite having a ton of bugs. I haven't tried out dozens of different loadouts or builds. I'm willing to do it. That's why when a new gun comes into play I use it on many classes, on different builds. When the gun is good, like the Piranha, the testing phase is longer. Take Argus for instance. I tried it out today on TS with full gear. Even with TS I couldn't make much of it. It performed worse than a Saber I, having a similair function (headshots galore). I won't try it out on different characters unless it's buffed. When I tried out Piranha on TS, it was an easy mode, so I tried it out on Paladin, DA, Destroyer, GI, HE, etc. It was FUN, the ultimate goal of every video game. Powerful weapons are FUN because they work on different characters. Niche weapons are also fun, like the Acolyte, but their usage is limited. Yesterday I unlocked the Harrier, one of the players' favorite. It works on like every character (there's a LOT of them) so it gives you more FUN. I used it on GI and HSol and I loved it. That means about 20 characters with Harrier to go. Fun.

You need to realise that ME3 MP is quite complex despite having only 3 factions. It has 36 different characters and I don't think that any 2 of them are nearly the same (save for Vorchas). It has 60 guns, even if most of them are underused. No big wonder that when a new gun comes out people play with it. No wonder that if the gun gives them FUN they use it.

[Kaseladen]

I'm actually surprised the pirahna needs a nerf. I tried using it when I got it (after the first nerf) and thought it was terrible. Though maybe it just didn't fit my style

[Shrakelle]

Enjoyable to use:
- Reegar: uses ammo up too quickly
- GPS: Only on geth
- Disciple: not enough damage

No fun to use:
- Graal: fires too slowly for something that needs good aiming
- Claymore: fires too slowly, too heavy
- Wraith & Crusader: I don't have at high levels, they are too rare.

Pirana:
- fast fire rate
- easy to use
- light weight
- good damage

[soulstriker09]

Derek Hollan wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Derek, with fear I will ask this:

What the team think about the Claymore?

The team is happy with the Claymore.  I don't see this ever being touched.  It's a hand-held cannon.
It's meant to be the one-shot wonder.  Make things disappear in front of you if you land that shot

YES! 

on topic: its because the pirahna is light and gives good damage.
I mainly use it on caster classes like the N7 paladin and N7 shadow.

[ctr2yellowbird]

I tried the Piranha. Once. Its absence of accuracy produces in me absolutely no tactile affinity. I want a gun that actually presents some difficulty to the user, with an appropriate reward for success, other than "get in close," so that when I master that weapon, I've actually achieved something. Which is why I've been using the Graal non-stop... Lag hasn't been an overwhelming issue, even to distant countries, and even when my own connection is breaking down.

[Sinapus]

I only recently started using it. Might go back to the Eviscerator. Tried the Geth Plasma Shotgun and it's fun too.

(With the Eviscerator + Smart Choke I can at least fire at ranges outside of those found in a crowded elevator and get a possible kill or even severe wounding.)

The Piranha is pretty useful for really close range attacks on foot soldier type enemies. It can do some damage to the bigger, bulkier boss enemies, but I think that's because they're bigger targets and more pellets hit.

[oblivion2023]

I use all of the shotguns other than the Crusader. I use the wraith most because of the damage range weight and double shot. I don't have a problem with the Crusader other than it seems to fire a lot of empty slugs.

I am one of the few that doesn't like the piranha. I do use it when I want to do a lot of damage quickly with a good team, but I prefer precision and wouldn't feel comfortable soloing a round with just the piranha. I don't think it is overpowered, I just think there are a lot of people more comfortable with that type of shooting style.

[mpompeo27]

Claymore: My favorite shotgun. Use it all the time.
GPS and Graal: I usually don't host and I feel gimped using them off host. I like the Graal and will use it on occasion.
Disciple: Just don't like it.
Reegar: Too limited range.
Wraith: Don't have it. Would love to try it.
Crusader: Super heavy, and just not good enough to displace other guns on my characters that could handle the weight.

Piranha: Very fun to use and eats bosses alive. I only use it on a select few characters though, namely the Shadow, because if I get in trouble after a Shadow Strike I need a powerful short range weapon to get me out of it.

[landylan]

We use the piranha because it's the most versatile shotgun. It's decent against mooks and amazing against bosses. If there were less bosses I would use other shotguns like the graal and disciple more. Crusader is just way too heavy at lower levels to be used on any class that utilizes its powers frequently.

The majority of the community that's not on these forums uses the piranha because they think they're character will blow up without an incredibly high cooldown. That's probably why the reegar doesn't see as much action anymore.

The piranha is my go to gun because it's the only gun light enough for a caster that does some real damage to bosses. I'm not sure how to balance it though... I don't want another scimitar. Maybe you could make the recoil increase spread on it more, so it becomes more inaccurate the longer you shoot.... It'd still kill atlases and brutes good though...

Modifié par landylan, 20 septembre 2012 - 12:30 .

[JustinSonic]

Seifer006 wrote...

JustinSonic wrote...

Derek Hollan wrote...

I think Eric's proposal seems to be, at least somewhat, in agreement with most answers here.

He has no desire to touch its damage or rate of fire which, is why he is proposing a 2 shot reduction in the clip.

It's just really fine the way as it is, but if you guys are insisting that it's changed, then change the skin on the weapon as well.

Fix

Why change it at all!!??? why the reduction? It's a Rare Gun. If not then change it from  Rare to UR then...
gosh.....what's next Eric.....the claymore getting ruined........

playing MP is to be fun. But nerfing these guns (even if its 2shot reduction) when the Gun is fine as is, just ruins the gun. It's a Rare.

What did you fix?

But yeah, NO NERF! 

[kmmd60]

classes-specific shotgun, I don't use it at all except with GI,GE,Tsol,,Destroyer. It's useless without accuracy buff from these classes. Vanguards could handle the gun but, frankly, they're unuseable because of the VG glitch.

I generally treat it like Scimitar upgrade.

[Ubergrog]

Any luck with releasing the raider shotgun? We need more weapons in general.

[Captain J. Sunshine]

I can't seem to make the Pirahna work so I use the reeger

[Catastrophy]

I use the Piranha on my Shadow and the Paladin. Light and good for my playstyle with these classes (going personal). Sometimes as secondary on my Destroyer, his main gun is the One Ring to rule them all (Falcon).
Claymore and crusader goes on guys that don't need cooldown (Soldiers)
Reegar rests in the locker because it doesn't fire when I pull the trigger.
Eviscerator was my go to shotgun with casters but I got a better option with Scorpion or Talon.
Katana was used when I started MP.
Graal sucks when I have laggy connection.
Wraith I have no decent level and it only holds two rounds.
GPS goes with my GE sometimes but I don't really like it.
Disciple I used with the Batarian soldier and the Justicar, it should stagger more reliably (just look at the impact pattern of the pellets: They are big)

[trunglefever]

I've been using the Piranha on a few classes because it compliments the class a lot better than the other shotguns. However, I've been utilizing the Claymore again and have been enjoying it much more. The Geth Piranha is so much fun, but the Claymore can be used on a great deal of classes to high effectiveness.

I just wish the Crusader was almost as good.