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[Sundance31us]

lv12medic wrote...

There are three guaranteed types of threads whenever a new Bioware game is announced:

1) Romance Threads
2) Multiplayer want/hate threads
3) M rating should push the ESRB to the brink of almost issuing an AO rating threads

I love a predictable universe.

Edit: Oh yeah and post EA acquisition there is a fourth one

4) How EA is ruining everything everywhere threads

Don’t forget..

• Dialogue choices
• Paragon vs. Renegade
• Voiced PC

[Maria Caliban]

Rawgrim wrote...


Amd yes. I am straight. I am not attracted to men at all. I know this is a fact that disagrees with you, as you pretty much called me a homophobe all evening yesterday.

If Bioware shows full frontal male nudity, I won`t be bothered by it one bit. But it won`t make me want to have sex with a guy either.

Presumably, if you don't have sex with a male NPC, you won't see the nudity. I wasn't suggesting random phallus sprinkled around Orlais.

[Rawgrim]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...


Amd yes. I am straight. I am not attracted to men at all. I know this is a fact that disagrees with you, as you pretty much called me a homophobe all evening yesterday.

If Bioware shows full frontal male nudity, I won`t be bothered by it one bit. But it won`t make me want to have sex with a guy either.

Presumably, if you don't have sex with a male NPC, you won't see the nudity. I wasn't suggesting random phallus sprinkled around Orlais.

One could walk into another "Mr Felatiate Me" again though.

[Blackrising]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...


Amd yes. I am straight. I am not attracted to men at all. I know this is a fact that disagrees with you, as you pretty much called me a homophobe all evening yesterday.

If Bioware shows full frontal male nudity, I won`t be bothered by it one bit. But it won`t make me want to have sex with a guy either.

Presumably, if you don't have sex with a male NPC, you won't see the nudity. I wasn't suggesting random phallus sprinkled around Orlais.

I am now having visions of Orlais full of phallus-shaped statues and objects.
Or a festival like this.

[addiction21]

Sundance31us wrote...

Don’t forget..

• Dialogue choices
• Paragon vs. Renegade
• Voiced PC

1. Ya your right.
2. For us long timers (I am only 30 and do not want to call myself old) that is a recent development, but is true. Be it approval or rivalry. Mass Effect and how Dragon Age has handle these things are different. I prefore DA2s approach.
3. A new thing.

P.S.
I hate the bullet points they tend to screw responses up.

[Renmiri1]

LTD wrote...

Dear OP, I'm pleased to inform you that porn exists. It is readily available in Internet in vast quantities. Much of it is completely free. Some of it is freakin awesome!!!! Please begin consuming the said porn and stop demanding it in my video game. I like enjoying porn and quality RPGs seperately for same reason I like to enjoy sausages and ice cream seperately.

QFT

I like romance on a game, it is fun. But I enjoy the flirting ang emotional closeness. Fade to black is perfectly fine, much preferable to some clothed in the shower scene or some awkward dry humping with someone's hand going through the girls neck. 

As for darkness ? No, for the love of the Maker, no. ME3 had enough darkness and misery. Please give us some happy endings. 

[hobbit of the shire]

The OP wants darker themes. That is, mature dilemmas/conflicts and complex stuff that happens in the world, why don't people understand that? The story should be very gripping and puts you between a rock and a hard place. You know, like 2 family members fall into a pit.... who do you save? Do I save the 1 person I love or save the city? If the Chantry does something against my beliefs, do I abandon my religion? If I use blood magic for good, is it wrong? Hell yes I'm up for maturer themes and issues. I don't want the franchise to start looking like a Marvel comic book, which it sometimes appears it is headed towards.

Modifié par hobbit_of_the_shire, 20 septembre 2012 - 03:53 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Aside from the one quest with... ahem... Hawke's mother, DA2 was pretty plain in terms of nightmare fuel and sexuality. Not to mention it was... clean in how people acted. Even in the bloody brothels...

I don't understand why some developers are so afraid to show naked people in games. For bloody sakes, people, they're just breasts. Mounds of fat and milk glands.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 20 septembre 2012 - 04:10 .

[Foolsfolly]

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

I must admit that DA2 is a lot more timid than DAO in. I just want to say that Dragon Age is M for a reason. Don't be afraid to use that M. I'm not saying abuse it and make everything overly ridiculous. But being timid in certain areas is also bad too.

DA2 turned your mom into a Frankenstein's Monster. And there was a guy who stole elven children and "hurt" them for being beautiful.

[LilyasAvalon]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

I must admit that DA2 is a lot more timid than DAO in. I just want to say that Dragon Age is M for a reason. Don't be afraid to use that M. I'm not saying abuse it and make everything overly ridiculous. But being timid in certain areas is also bad too.

DA2 turned your mom into a Frankenstein's Monster. And there was a guy who stole elven children and "hurt" them for being beautiful.

Frankenstein's Bride was more scary for me than the other dude who stole the elven children. And even then, after the first time, it didn't effect me at all.

To this day though, despite how many times I've played DA:O, broodmothers still creep the **** outta me.

[Renmiri1]

That poem from Hesspit.. it is haunting. Very well done.

But Leandra'stein was creepy!!

[TheBlackBaron]

I'm enjoying this thread.

[Foolsfolly]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

I must admit that DA2 is a lot more timid than DAO in. I just want to say that Dragon Age is M for a reason. Don't be afraid to use that M. I'm not saying abuse it and make everything overly ridiculous. But being timid in certain areas is also bad too.

DA2 turned your mom into a Frankenstein's Monster. And there was a guy who stole elven children and "hurt" them for being beautiful.

Frankenstein's Bride was more scary for me than the other dude who stole the elven children. And even then, after the first time, it didn't effect me at all.

To this day though, despite how many times I've played DA:O, broodmothers still creep the **** outta me.

The Broodmother made me hate the darkspawn which was needed since I'd done the Elves, Redcliffe, Circle Tower, most side missions in Denerim, and Sacred Ashes before going to Orzimmar (literally the last thing before the Landsmeet in my first run). I'd actually kinda forgotten about the darkspawn other than a "we need to defeat them" sort of way.

So when I came across the Broodmother and Hespith it was a real re-engerizer for me wanting to not only defeat the 5th Blight but utterly destroy the entire race of darkspawn.

With my bare hands.

But she didn't freak me out. The Mother's weird opening bottom jaw is freaky as **** though.

If we really thought about it the series never really focused on "grimdark" moments. There's been just as much comedy and romance and romanitic comedy as anything else. Which is good too much of anything is still too much. Look at all the complaints about how there was too much comedy in Mark of the Assassin. There'd likely be just as many complaints about how something's too dark for too long.

And in any event I'm sure we'll see something horrific. But to the topic there's implied child rape in DA2. It's dark enough.

[LadyWench]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I'm enjoying this thread.

Me too! Want to share my popcorn?

[Atalanta]

Blackrising wrote...

If this is about more boobs or violence: No thank you. Doesn't need it.

I wouldn't be opposed to controversial themes and exploring the darker aspects of the human (or elven/dwarfen/whatever) psyche, however.

Ditto! I'd much prefer no gratuitous boobs or violence!
Tough decisions, morally grey characters (and I don't mean 50 Shades of Grey characters), darker, controversial themes are a big yes - juvenile fantasies are a big no! 

Modifié par Atalanta, 20 septembre 2012 - 04:39 .

[PaulSX]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

I'm enjoying this thread.

damn right

[upsettingshorts]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

OP I agree. DA2 was a bit sterile. DAO seemed more gritty and surreal.

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Trista Faux Hawke wrote... 

The way people interacted, their language, the atmosphere, and so forth. It was more of a game for adults, much darker and less squeaky clean.

Terrorism, genocide, and slavery are def. themes covered in a game for babies, yes.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 20 septembre 2012 - 04:54 .

[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

OP I agree. DA2 was a bit sterile. DAO seemed more gritty and surreal.

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Pan's Labyrinth. Gritty and surreal.

[Rawgrim]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

OP I agree. DA2 was a bit sterile. DAO seemed more gritty and surreal.

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Trista Faux Hawke wrote... 

The way people interacted, their language, the atmosphere, and so forth. It was more of a game for adults, much darker and less squeaky clean.

Terrorism, genocide, and slavery are def. themes covered in a game for babies, yes.

Looks more for kids with that over the top combat, and the cartoonish elves and darkspawn...

First one felt way more aimed at adults. Second one felt like some generic pg-13 movie.

Just stating the feling I got when playing it.

[upsettingshorts]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Pan's Labyrinth. Gritty and surreal.

Okay, I can buy that.  Not for DAO, though.

Rawgrim wrote...

First one felt way more aimed at adults. Second one felt like some generic pg-13 movie.

Just stating the feling I got when playing it.

This position will never make any sort of sense to me.  It's like we played wildly different games. 

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 20 septembre 2012 - 05:14 .

[Rawgrim]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Pan's Labyrinth. Gritty and surreal.

Okay, I can buy that.  Not for DAO, though.

Rawgrim wrote...

First one felt way more aimed at adults. Second one felt like some generic pg-13 movie.

Just stating the feling I got when playing it.

This position will never make any sort of sense to me, and I've heard it explained a hundred different ways.  It's like we played different games. 

Different players do have different experiences. Simple as that.

[upsettingshorts]

Rawgrim wrote...

Different players do have different experiences. Simple as that.

Yet, here's my problem.  I'll illustrate an example:

Sylvius the Mad and I have totally different experiences playing BioWare games.  I cannot relate to him and his approach at all.  However he's perfectly capable of articulating them to me in a manner I can at least appreciate.  Because his opinions are logically constructed and solid in their basis.  Ultimately we are forced to agree to disagree almost all the time, but it's never because I can't follow along or doubt his own interpretation.

This "DA2 is for babbies" stuff has never been even partially justified to me as anything other than, well, I suppose, confirmation bias based on little more than animations people don't like.

I didn't like DAO or DA2's animations all that much - for different reasons - but they didn't alter my perception of what either game was about.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 20 septembre 2012 - 05:18 .

[Allan Schumacher]

I never really understand the idea that certain topics specifically are mature or not.

Whenever I see the idea come up I can usually expect to see people list things like rape, incest, torture, and so forth. It seems that people equate taboo with mature. It seems to me that whether or not a subject matter is mature depends more on how it's discussed.

I could have a mature presentation of friendship, and how that pertains to life and what social relationships mean to each other in the world of Thedas.


Or even death. Death never comes up, but for me it was arguably the most maturing moment that had happened in my life when I lost my brother when I was 13. Death happens in spades in video games though, and I wouldn't say it's typically dealt with in a mature fashion (not that that's a bad thing. I just blew up 4 tanks in World of Tanks and it was fun!).  But I certainly see the way that Mother Amell treats the loss of her child and it strikes up empathy in me because I can understand, on some level, how that feels.  The irrational anger and mood swings and all that.  Just as an example.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 20 septembre 2012 - 05:19 .

[upsettingshorts]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I never really understand the idea that certain topics specifically are mature or not.

Topics in of themselves don't seem to have a strict level of associated maturity, I don't think.  As long as we're not talking about the potential consequences of introducing a subject to someone who is not... suitably prepared, and are only discussing the idea in the abstract.  There are practical reasons why this doesn't always apply in practical situations, though.

But the way they're handled can raise or lower the expected level of engagement.  

Furthermore, I think a large part of it is buying-in to the narrative.  If you don't have a strong interest in what a game (or any media) is doing with its story, the relative complexity or maturity in a conflict is not going to register.  I think this might be another part what is causing people to interpret DA2's story as kidstuff.   

If you as a consumer of media do buy in, there's lots to discuss about the implications of events in DA2, and I think less of them in DAO.  But fewer people it seems bought in to sequel, and I don't think it'd be controversial to admit that DA2 didn't do quite as good of a job hooking people into the story for a variety of reasons.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 20 septembre 2012 - 05:27 .