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[CuriousArtemis]

Aww, no one should feel bad about killing Bethany. She is a marked woman in one of my current games. But I'm also not letting Donnic hook up with Aveline. Seriously, I think Hawke is going to suffer in this playthrough, and it's all my sadistic meta-gaming fault.

[Mello]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

berelinde wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
Yeah, you fangirls just got burn bad. you fangirls you.

And let's not forget our sexy fanguy. 

Cullen fanboys are like Meg in Family Guy, no one ever realize they exist.

<_< You take that back...now.

I can't stop laughing. 

[upsettingshorts]

Leaked DA3 screenshot of Cullen's new look!

[LolaLei]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Leaked DA3 screenshot of Cullen's new look!

LMAO! Oh gawd, that's hideous! That would totally troll the hell out of us fangirls. I'd still romance him though.

[Zeleen]

I liked Cullen - he's not a fantic Templar -
he has seen the worse in mages in both DA:O and DA2 yet he's not shouting "Kill them All" in DA2
( at a little bit of "Kill them all" there in DA:O at the circle but, let's face it he was under a lot of stress)
I'd love to see him as a LI but he'd be good as a significant NPC as well..

[Sainna]

Someone has to explain this to me as I just do not understand.

He is not bad towards the mages and blah blah because he in the end defied Meredith..?
The heck? He was butchering mages just as he was orderd before that, he would have killed them all happily and only went /no because the Champion was to be -arrested- questioned, locked up and perhaps even killed instead of just on-the-spot execution.
I understand why Templar fanboys/girls would defend him to the heavens but that is it o.O In my book he really is just a nother templar who believes turning all mages Tranquil might not be such a bad idea in the end.

[esper]

Sainna wrote...

Someone has to explain this to me as I just do not understand.

He is not bad towards the mages and blah blah because he in the end defied Meredith..?
The heck? He was butchering mages just as he was orderd before that, he would have killed them all happily and only went /no because the Champion was to be -arrested- questioned, locked up and perhaps even killed instead of just on-the-spot execution.
I understand why Templar fanboys/girls would defend him to the heavens but that is it o.O In my book he really is just a nother templar who believes turning all mages Tranquil might not be such a bad idea in the end.

I actually respect him less for defending Hawke because from my Hawke's point of view it was:
You don't bother defending all the circle mages who had nothing to do with the explosion, but me and my best friends who had been openly casting blood magic on templars to get out of here, not to mention my lover did blow up the chantry and is standing right there, obviously not punished in any way from my side, not to mention I was pretty rude to you the whole arc, me you want to defend.... Why?

And then it is impossible for my Hawke to come to any other conclusion than Cullen had realized that Meridith is a lunatic and was changing sides fast in fear of Meridith turning on him next.

[Sainna]

esper wrote...

Sainna wrote...

Someone has to explain this to me as I just do not understand.

He is not bad towards the mages and blah blah because he in the end defied Meredith..?
The heck? He was butchering mages just as he was orderd before that, he would have killed them all happily and only went /no because the Champion was to be -arrested- questioned, locked up and perhaps even killed instead of just on-the-spot execution.
I understand why Templar fanboys/girls would defend him to the heavens but that is it o.O In my book he really is just a nother templar who believes turning all mages Tranquil might not be such a bad idea in the end.

I actually respect him less for defending Hawke because from my Hawke's point of view it was:
You don't bother defending all the circle mages who had nothing to do with the explosion, but me and my best friends who had been openly casting blood magic on templars to get out of here, not to mention my lover did blow up the chantry and is standing right there, obviously not punished in any way from my side, not to mention I was pretty rude to you the whole arc, me you want to defend.... Why?

And then it is impossible for my Hawke to come to any other conclusion than Cullen had realized that Meridith is a lunatic and was changing sides fast in fear of Meridith turning on him next.

So, he was actually a semi-mastermind and was out to save his hide! That might make sense.

Read a bit more of this thread and most seem to just be squeeel we like him due to his VO  edit:...or just ohheissocutebecausestupidreasonX
._.

Edit2: yes i might jsut be too negative but really xD

Modifié par Sainna, 26 octobre 2012 - 11:39 .

[SeptimusMagistos]

I certainly hope to see Cullen again.

We never got to settle the question of whom the Maker granted divine dominion over whom. I feel a good fireball to the face might change his opinion on mages.

[Palipride47]

esper wrote...
I actually respect him less for defending Hawke because from my Hawke's point of view it was:
You don't bother defending all the circle mages who had nothing to do with the explosion, but me and my best friends who had been openly casting blood magic on templars to get out of here, not to mention my lover did blow up the chantry and is standing right there, obviously not punished in any way from my side, not to mention I was pretty rude to you the whole arc, me you want to defend.... Why?

And then it is impossible for my Hawke to come to any other conclusion than Cullen had realized that Meridith is a lunatic and was changing sides fast in fear of Meridith turning on him next.

I get that he, as a companion, has great potential for the next game, first-hand witnessing the abuses of both mages and templars, if they develop his character some more. As an Inquistor, that would be a very useful companion. 

But I agree with you. 

I think stating he was "level headed in the beginning" is wrong.

I think he swung from moderate/pro-mage (at least, telling by conversations with my Lady Amell, stating he thought the Templars were too harsh) to Templar Extremist.

Then, at the very last minute, after questioning himself while vehemently defending the Kinght Commander and listening to her (even to the point where he was going to allow a Circle-Annulling and possibly sister-killing Hawke to be arrested), he finally decided to grow a pair, and defend me when Meredith wanted to kill me instead. 

That isn't a "good" guy, in my book. 

And if we are talking about the squee factor, I love Greg Ellis in robes with a blond ponytail, an earring, and a cat much, MUCH more than Greg Ellis in a suit of armor, so I have no preference one way or the other to have hum be an LI, and I'm not going to waste my breath screaming and ranting on BSN like some self entitled ass thinking that people who have a thing for Cullen are destroying the BSN and that Dragon Age 3 will turn into a "Date Cullen" Sim. 

I personally found all those people who seemingly care so much amount whether people like the romances/ want cetain romances (and rant forever about it) borderline creepy. 

Modifié par Palipride47, 26 octobre 2012 - 11:56 .

[esper]

Palipride47 wrote...

esper wrote...
I actually respect him less for defending Hawke because from my Hawke's point of view it was:
You don't bother defending all the circle mages who had nothing to do with the explosion, but me and my best friends who had been openly casting blood magic on templars to get out of here, not to mention my lover did blow up the chantry and is standing right there, obviously not punished in any way from my side, not to mention I was pretty rude to you the whole arc, me you want to defend.... Why?

And then it is impossible for my Hawke to come to any other conclusion than Cullen had realized that Meridith is a lunatic and was changing sides fast in fear of Meridith turning on him next.

I get that he, as a companion, has great potential for the next game, first-hand witnessing the abuses of both mages and templars, if they develop his character some more. As an Inquistor, that would be a very useful companion. 

But I agree with you. 

I think stating he was "level headed in the beginning" is wrong.

I think he swung from moderate/pro-mage (at least, telling by conversations with my Lady Amell, stating he thought the Templars were too harsh) to Templar Extremist.

Then, at the very last minute, after questioning himself while vehemently defending the Kinght Commander and listening to her (even to the point where he was going to allow a Circle-Annulling and possibly sister-killing Hawke to be arrested), he finally decided to grow a pair, and defend me when Meredith wanted to kill me instead. 

That isn't a "good" guy, in my book. 

And I love Greg Ellis in robes with a blond ponytail, an earring, and a cat much more than Greg Ellis in a suit of armor. <3

Oh, I can see his characther potential. But I simply cannot trust his characther, because his loaytly and ideals are so swinging. Why should I trust him not to turn on the Inquistor as well?

Not to mention he is not the poster-boy for a moderate good templar. He is the poster boy for how to get out off situations alive which doesn't always equal good.

I am beginning to seriously question why he happened to be the only templar in that cage not possessed...

Of course the Inquisitor doesn't know this.

[Palipride47]

esper wrote...
Oh, I can see his characther potential. But I simply cannot trust his characther, because his loaytly and ideals are so swinging. Why should I trust him not to turn on the Inquistor as well?

Not to mention he is not the poster-boy for a moderate good templar. He is the poster boy for how to get out off situations alive which doesn't always equal good.

I am beginning to seriously question why he happened to be the only templar in that cage not possessed...

Of course the Inquisitor doesn't know this.

The implication....is actually kinda scary. 
Yeah, I wouldn't like him personally as a companion as he has been protrayed now. If he is one, maybe they will re vamp it a bit, but I'd sleep with a knife under my pillow.....especially as a mage. 

Modifié par Palipride47, 27 octobre 2012 - 12:00 .

[MillKill]

Sainna wrote...

Someone has to explain this to me as I just do not understand.

He is not bad towards the mages and blah blah because he in the end defied Meredith..?
The heck? He was butchering mages just as he was orderd before that, he would have killed them all happily and only went /no because the Champion was to be -arrested- questioned, locked up and perhaps even killed instead of just on-the-spot execution.
I understand why Templar fanboys/girls would defend him to the heavens but that is it o.O In my book he really is just a nother templar who believes turning all mages Tranquil might not be such a bad idea in the end.

He is willing to spare mages that surrender, defying Meredith's direct orders to her face even before she turns on Hawke. 

[esper]

MillKill wrote...

Sainna wrote...

Someone has to explain this to me as I just do not understand.

He is not bad towards the mages and blah blah because he in the end defied Meredith..?
The heck? He was butchering mages just as he was orderd before that, he would have killed them all happily and only went /no because the Champion was to be -arrested- questioned, locked up and perhaps even killed instead of just on-the-spot execution.
I understand why Templar fanboys/girls would defend him to the heavens but that is it o.O In my book he really is just a nother templar who believes turning all mages Tranquil might not be such a bad idea in the end.

He is willing to spare mages that surrender, defying Meredith's direct orders to her face even before she turns on Hawke. 

Only if Hawke supports him.

[Sainna]

esper wrote...

MillKill wrote...

Sainna wrote...

Someone has to explain this to me as I just do not understand.

He is not bad towards the mages and blah blah because he in the end defied Meredith..?
The heck? He was butchering mages just as he was orderd before that, he would have killed them all happily and only went /no because the Champion was to be -arrested- questioned, locked up and perhaps even killed instead of just on-the-spot execution.
I understand why Templar fanboys/girls would defend him to the heavens but that is it o.O In my book he really is just a nother templar who believes turning all mages Tranquil might not be such a bad idea in the end.

He is willing to spare mages that surrender, defying Meredith's direct orders to her face even before she turns on Hawke. 

Only if Hawke supports him.

So he really is a evil mastermind!

[The Hierophant]

Palipride47 wrote...

esper wrote...
Oh, I can see his characther potential. But I simply cannot trust his characther, because his loaytly and ideals are so swinging. Why should I trust him not to turn on the Inquistor as well?

Not to mention he is not the poster-boy for a moderate good templar. He is the poster boy for how to get out off situations alive which doesn't always equal good.

I am beginning to seriously question why he happened to be the only templar in that cage not possessed...

Of course the Inquisitor doesn't know this.

The implication....is actually kinda scary. 
Yeah, I wouldn't like him personally as a companion as he has been protrayed now. If he is one, maybe they will re vamp it a bit, but I'd sleep with a knife under my pillow.....especially as a mage. 

Sounds like a rivalmance in the making.

[esper]

Sainna wrote...

esper wrote...

MillKill wrote...

Sainna wrote...

Someone has to explain this to me as I just do not understand.

He is not bad towards the mages and blah blah because he in the end defied Meredith..?
The heck? He was butchering mages just as he was orderd before that, he would have killed them all happily and only went /no because the Champion was to be -arrested- questioned, locked up and perhaps even killed instead of just on-the-spot execution.
I understand why Templar fanboys/girls would defend him to the heavens but that is it o.O In my book he really is just a nother templar who believes turning all mages Tranquil might not be such a bad idea in the end.

He is willing to spare mages that surrender, defying Meredith's direct orders to her face even before she turns on Hawke. 

Only if Hawke supports him.

So he really is a evil mastermind!

Not so much an evil master mind as a survivor.

[Palipride47]

esper wrote...

MillKill wrote...

Sainna wrote...

Someone has to explain this to me as I just do not understand.

He is not bad towards the mages and blah blah because he in the end defied Meredith..?
The heck? He was butchering mages just as he was orderd before that, he would have killed them all happily and only went /no because the Champion was to be -arrested- questioned, locked up and perhaps even killed instead of just on-the-spot execution.
I understand why Templar fanboys/girls would defend him to the heavens but that is it o.O In my book he really is just a nother templar who believes turning all mages Tranquil might not be such a bad idea in the end.

He is willing to spare mages that surrender, defying Meredith's direct orders to her face even before she turns on Hawke. 

Only if Hawke supports him.

I wonder what he would have said if Hawke wasn't there. And he argues, initally, againist sparing Alain (who saved your sibling/LI/friend) even when you say "Don't kill him," he's all like "huh, yeah, what a coincidence that he had a change of heart." and still wants to kill him. Only by heeding you (out of respect?) does the guy not die. 

Never mind torturing that recruit (Wilmod). 

The Hierophant wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

The implication....is actually kinda scary. 
Yeah, I wouldn't like him personally as a companion as he has been protrayed now. If he is one, maybe they will re vamp it a bit, but I'd sleep with a knife under my pillow.....especially as a mage. 

Sounds like a rivalmance in the making.

Heehee, true! 

Modifié par Palipride47, 27 octobre 2012 - 12:21 .

[MillKill]

Sainna wrote...

So he really is a evil mastermind!

Or an ok guy trying to do his best in a very ugly morally-murky situation. But sure, evil mastermind works to.

[esper]

Palipride47 wrote...

esper wrote...

MillKill wrote...

Sainna wrote...

Someone has to explain this to me as I just do not understand.

He is not bad towards the mages and blah blah because he in the end defied Meredith..?
The heck? He was butchering mages just as he was orderd before that, he would have killed them all happily and only went /no because the Champion was to be -arrested- questioned, locked up and perhaps even killed instead of just on-the-spot execution.
I understand why Templar fanboys/girls would defend him to the heavens but that is it o.O In my book he really is just a nother templar who believes turning all mages Tranquil might not be such a bad idea in the end.

He is willing to spare mages that surrender, defying Meredith's direct orders to her face even before she turns on Hawke. 

Only if Hawke supports him.

I wonder what he would have said if Hawke wasn't there. And he argues, initally, againist sparing Alain (who saved your sibling/LI/friend) even when you say "Don't kill him," he's all like "huh, yeah, what a coincidence that he had a change of heart." and still wants to kill him. Only by heeding you (out of respect?) does the guy not die. 

Never mind torturing that recruit (Wilmod). 

The Hierophant wrote...

Palipride47 wrote...

The implication....is actually kinda scary. 
Yeah, I wouldn't like him personally as a companion as he has been protrayed now. If he is one, maybe they will re vamp it a bit, but I'd sleep with a knife under my pillow.....especially as a mage. 

Sounds like a rivalmance in the making.

Heehee, true! 

I have no longer just low respect for Cullen, I am now also extremely warry of him. Bioware need to make a hell of an argument as to why I as a player should let him anywhere near my main characther.

[esper]

MillKill wrote...

Sainna wrote...

So he really is a evil mastermind!

Or an ok guy trying to do his best in a very ugly morally-murky situation. But sure, evil mastermind works to.

But, you see that is the problem. With the way my Hawke acted towards Cullen and templars in general. There are no way that it can be defended as a 'good' thing for him to protect Hawke.

There are no way to see it, but a switch of convinence with Hawkes that are 100% pro-mage, pro-blood magic and has Anders standing right behind Hawke. And have made her stance clear to Cullen both in act 1 and act 3.

Hawkes team were the one team off mages that absolutely should not warrant protecting.

[BioFan (Official)]

WE WILL HAVE OUR CULLEN!!!

[MillKill]

esper wrote...

MillKill wrote...

Sainna wrote...

So he really is a evil mastermind!

Or an ok guy trying to do his best in a very ugly morally-murky situation. But sure, evil mastermind works to.

But, you see that is the problem. With the way my Hawke acted towards Cullen and templars in general. There are no way that it can be defended as a 'good' thing for him to protect Hawke.

There are no way to see it, but a switch of convinence with Hawkes that are 100% pro-mage, pro-blood magic and has Anders standing right behind Hawke. And have made her stance clear to Cullen both in act 1 and act 3.

Hawkes team were the one team off mages that absolutely should not warrant protecting.

Or maybe he saw how crazy Meredith was acting and was still grateful to Hawke for his/her assistance with the demon-possessed Templars and Qunari invasion.

Cullen is a very minor character. It's difficult to get a perfectly clear read of all the subtleties of his motivations when he has played such a small part in both games.

I still like him as a character, though and wouldn't mind seeing him develop further. I think it's pretty likely he'll be our Pro-Templar companion in DA3.

[Maclimes]

People who want Cullen back, I have a mental exercise for you.

Think of all the characters that first appeared in DA:O or DA:A, and then reappeared in DA2. How many of them met your expectations? How many looked accurate to their original appearance? How many behaved in a way that was consistent with your original impression of them?

Now, ask yourself: How likely is it that Cullen's appearance in DA3 will actually match what you expect of him?

I leave you with this: Be careful what you wish for.