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[neonmoth]

I must admit I feel more amused than anything else when it comes to the "issue of Cullen and his fans" (or any ther character for that matter), since I cannot comprehend why someone would feel so strongly about other persons likes and dislikes. Why liking even morally dubious, fictional characters is such a horrible thing? For me they definitely feel more alive through their imperfections and struggles, and their attitudes and actions often give me space to think about my personal beliefs on the matter. I like to think about dangers associated with certain in game choices but let's not forget that we are more or less passive observers of the events. Furthermore, it does not take much to make a perfectly sane person to start and behave in an irrational manner when a lot is at stake. Maybe I am over-analyzing and looking for excuses but let it be. What I am trying to say is that I might like some characters but I am not blind to their shortcomings. Usually I like them despite their shortcomings.

From only my last week experience, since I don't come to forums very often (I guess it's the E3 being so close that makes me excited), I have counted 3 threads concerned with Cullen and none of them was created by his fans (though this one was necro'd by one ;]). Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong in the discussion about characters and a genuine curiosity as to why some are liked more than others, but those I have seen never felt like a genuine curiosity, more like wth fans, you're bunch of crazies, etc. Still, some people tried to reply in a coherent manner and have a general, non-hostile debate. I was actually surprised how laid back, friendly and respectful all the guys in the Cullen thread are, hence I'm becoming a fan of Cullen's fans...

Sorry for this rant. I am perfectly aware that there many people who don't like Cullen/are indifferent towards him, that are very tactful.

Modifié par neonmoth, 22 mai 2013 - 04:27 .

[neonmoth]

BBK4114 wrote...
Unfortunately that's not quite accurate. If there are 2 male companions and you fill one slot with someone who has 50 or so rabid fans on the BSN you've left the rest of us who only romance male LIs and really dislike Cullen with one choice.

I don't mind seeing Cullen's story continue but for Pete's sake don't make him be one of my 2 LI choices. If I dislike the other one I'd be a sad, sad gamer.

I understand your concerns, but there is no certainty that he is a love interest, or even a follower for that matter. I don't think that his inclusion as LI would be purely down to the support he has. Myself, I would be happy if he has any role in DA3. And for the LIs I hope for a good writing and engaging story regardless who they will be.

[BBK4114]

Fair enough. I just hope one of them is funny. Anders and Fenris weren't very fun.

Modifié par BBK4114, 22 mai 2013 - 07:45 .

[berelinde]

BBK4114 wrote...

Tharja wrote...

Op Cullen is like marmite you either love em or hate em, and if he ends up being an li don't sweat you have others to choose from i'm sure

Unfortunately that's not quite accurate. If there are 2 male companions and you fill one slot with someone who has 50 or so rabid fans on the BSN you've left the rest of us who only romance male LIs and really dislike Cullen with one choice.

I don't mind seeing Cullen's story continue but for Pete's sake don't make him be one of my 2 LI choices. If I dislike the other one I'd be a sad, sad gamer.

The same could be said for anybody you pick as a LI. If the character has been in the game before, somebody will hate him or her passionately and insist that their preferences be accommodated. Are they more worthy of appeasement than players who like the character? Besides, I doubt the writers trouble themselves all that much with fan demands. They write the characters they want to write in whatever roles are needed. If a Cullen romance was destined to be as odious as some detractors insist it must be, I'm sure the writers have already crossed it off the list and moved on to one that would be more fun to write and/or play.

It was a lot worse with DA:O, since lesbian or gay players only had one choice. I absolutely detest Leliana, so if I were only interested in f/f pairings, I would have been completely out of luck. Even a male Warden had it tough. As I said, I can't stand Leliana and while I like Morrigan, she doesn't really appeal to me as a LI. Fortunately, I like Zevran and have absolutely no qualms about same-sex romances, but if I insisted on hetero only, my male Wardens would be single forever. And I'm sure there are plenty of strictly straight Hawkes of either gender who didn't like their options. The best they can do is offer at least 2 options per gender/orientation and hope that at least one is acceptable. Since you're always going to annoy somebody, that's why there's more than one.

[Commander Kurt]

Amirit wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

I like numbers too, so thanks for providing. I guess people are free to judge how well they think you've placed threads in different categories for themselves.

By all means - go ahead, Just read those topics first (at least OP) to see what posters meant by their topic title.

The point is - there are more topics from fans than from haters. AND there are a lot of curious people trying to patch up their hadcanon with so many WTF moments Cullen is involved in. But they are not haters and have nothing against Cullen. It is not character's fault that templars are supposed to be blind in DA2. Yet, fans are protecting character while people are asking for explanation of the situation.

Both haters and fans are very loud. One person posting all over the board can make an impression there is a big group out there. Still, fact says fans are posting more often - that's it. How big is this fans group is a totally different question.

I really wasn't going to bother, as I said; people can read for themselves, but then you went and used the F word.

No, your statistics isn't "fact". Stating that it's fact is ill advised at best. How do you define "fans" and "haters"? You have people questioning Cullen's popularity in all three categories (which is hard to explain on its own), but most of them are apparently neutral..? If I made a thread in OT asking why people would like you, that's being neutral..?
Your definitions and categories are biased as all h*ll. Moving on to relevance.

Are all samples collected in the same place? At the same time? People are asking here, in this forum, why the fans are harpying on and on about Cullen. Having fans posting in the character section and non-fans posting here gives a totally different picture than the one you're painting. Same thing with time. People are asking presently why the fans are so vocal, but which group posted the last 10 threads about Cullen in this forum? You don't think stuff like that might be interesting when using statistics to show an accurate slice of reality?

Wow... People and their "facts"...

[Commander Kurt]

BBK4114 wrote...

Fair enough. I just hope one of them is funny. Anders and Fenris weren't very fun.

I agree with this. I like the romances, but if they make Cullen a LI and a broken man (which I suspect they might) I would prefer to have an alternative that wasn't another broken man.

[neonmoth]

Commander Kurt wrote...

BBK4114 wrote...

Fair enough. I just hope one of them is funny. Anders and Fenris weren't very fun.

I agree with this. I like the romances, but if they make Cullen a LI and a broken man (which I suspect they might) I would prefer to have an alternative that wasn't another broken man.

I agree as well :happy: Interesting, how they went from considerably fun LIs in DAO to full on drama in DA2. And to be fair, DAO romances had their own share of hard choices and tragedy. Not that I am complaining but it would be nice if they mix a bit this time.

Modifié par neonmoth, 22 mai 2013 - 09:02 .

[Amirit]

Commander Kurt wrote...
I really wasn't going to bother, as I said; people can read for themselves, but then you went and used the F word.

No, your statistics isn't "fact". Stating that it's fact is ill advised at best. How do you define "fans" and "haters"? You have people questioning Cullen's popularity in all three categories (which is hard to explain on its own), but most of them are apparently neutral..? If I made a thread in OT asking why people would like you, that's being neutral..?
Your definitions and categories are biased as all h*ll. Moving on to relevance.

Are all samples collected in the same place? At the same time? People are asking here, in this forum, why the fans are harpying on and on about Cullen. Having fans posting in the character section and non-fans posting here gives a totally different picture than the one you're painting. Same thing with time. People are asking presently why the fans are so vocal, but which group posted the last 10 threads about Cullen in this forum? You don't think stuff like that might be interesting when using statistics to show an accurate slice of reality?

Wow... People and their "facts"...

Wow, people and their occusations!

You refuse to check my evidences but declare them wrong. Good job.

The initial statement was "haters are posting much more than fans."  If you run simple search you see that there are more fans posts than from haters. So, the statment was wrong and it IS a fact. It was not about group analysis, quantity of each group or anything else. But a check out of the simple statment about haters who post alot.

Now for your "but others suffer too if LI is wrong". No doubts they are. But do you see the difference between "no one knows who will be those LI and I can be lucky" and "at least one LI is known and it is someone I hate"? 

So, I too hope so much for totally new interesting characters. And to be honest after Anders I would not be surprised to see a total new Cullen (if he IS there) which might be interesting even to those who dislike him.

[rapscallioness]

BBK4114 wrote...

Fair enough. I just hope one of them is funny. Anders and Fenris weren't very fun.

I hope one of them is funny, too. I do love funny.

[R2s Muse]

For the love of the Maker, are there no devs on paying attention to a thread that continues to be devoted to othering, stereotyping and insulting the fans, instead of talking about the character? Do we need to escalate to powerpoints about how many fans vs. haters there are? The fact that the fans are on the defensive should really be enough.

A thread like this which originated and continues in talking about the *people* who like a character, as opposed to the character shouldn't be OK. Even on BSN.

[Todd23]

Yes!!! If Cullen isn't in DA:I and I don't get a chance to kill him I will disinherit Dragon Age.

[rapscallioness]

edit @R2:

Well, there is a Qunari-human coupling thread that quickly descended into an unsavory white supremacist rant abt race mixing and....whatnot.

Although, valiantly pushed back against by sum amazing BSN'rs., it's still going strong.

But hey, all the xboxone threads are closed now.

Modifié par rapscallioness, 22 mai 2013 - 11:36 .

[rapscallioness]

At the end of the day tho, even Gaider siad, Hey! IF we put Cullen in the game it will be damn well because we want to for the story. Not because of sum friggin' fangirls/boys.

And I believe him.

I hope Cullen is a companion and LI. If not, then I'm sure/hoping there will be sum tasty alternatives.

And frankly, if we keep this shyte up, they might decide the game romances are more trouble than they're worth. I don't want that.

[Allan Schumacher]

Le sigh.

Future people that want to discuss whether or not Cullen threads are started more by fans or by haters will start receiving infractions.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 22 mai 2013 - 11:44 .