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[Dhiro]

Orian Tabris wrote...

I don't get why girls are so obsessedn with Cullen. Sure he looks good, but he embodies most players' own player characters. Romancing him would be like romancing your own character, except with a different gender and - in most people's cases - a better looking version. There are some shockers I've seen on the web and the BSN.

I want companions that DON'T remind me of my own character. How boring! I don't think any of my DA characters have romanced someone not unlike themselves. My City Elf doesn't believe in the Maker, and yet he romanced Leliana. My female Human Noble romanced Alistair, and she was almost completely different (confident, keen on being royalty, etc.). The most interesting relationship one of my characters has had with a companion, is my evil aggressive blood mage Hawke romancing Fenris, in spite of the fact that she embodies most everything he hates about mages.

Seriously, why would you WANT to romance Cullen? I mean, it's not like BioWare can't come up with another male heart-throb. One that ISN'T a templar shy around women he's attracted to.

I can only think of a single character of mine that reminded me of Cullen if even a little bit, and I created her with someone like him in mind.

[LolaLei]

Dhiro wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

I don't get why girls are so obsessedn with Cullen. Sure he looks good, but he embodies most players' own player characters. Romancing him would be like romancing your own character, except with a different gender and - in most people's cases - a better looking version. There are some shockers I've seen on the web and the BSN.

I want companions that DON'T remind me of my own character. How boring! I don't think any of my DA characters have romanced someone not unlike themselves. My City Elf doesn't believe in the Maker, and yet he romanced Leliana. My female Human Noble romanced Alistair, and she was almost completely different (confident, keen on being royalty, etc.). The most interesting relationship one of my characters has had with a companion, is my evil aggressive blood mage Hawke romancing Fenris, in spite of the fact that she embodies most everything he hates about mages.

Seriously, why would you WANT to romance Cullen? I mean, it's not like BioWare can't come up with another male heart-throb. One that ISN'T a templar shy around women he's attracted to.

I can only think of a single character of mine that reminded me of Cullen if even a little bit, and I created her with someone like him in mind.

Ditto!

[LolaLei]

Orian Tabris wrote...

I don't get why girls are so obsessedn with Cullen. Sure he looks good, but he embodies most players' own player characters. Romancing him would be like romancing your own character, except with a different gender and - in most people's cases - a better looking version. There are some shockers I've seen on the web and the BSN.

I want companions that DON'T remind me of my own character. How boring! I don't think any of my DA characters have romanced someone not unlike themselves. My City Elf doesn't believe in the Maker, and yet he romanced Leliana. My female Human Noble romanced Alistair, and she was almost completely different (confident, keen on being royalty, etc.). The most interesting relationship one of my characters has had with a companion, is my evil aggressive blood mage Hawke romancing Fenris, in spite of the fact that she embodies most everything he hates about mages.

Seriously, why would you WANT to romance Cullen? I mean, it's not like BioWare can't come up with another male heart-throb. One that ISN'T a templar shy around women he's attracted to.

I can safely say none of my characters have been anything like Cullen. 

Why would people want to romance him? Because he's a bit of an enigma and he has that whole "broken Templar" thing going on, we wanna fix him basically lol.

[VampOrchid]

Dhiro wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

I don't get why girls are so obsessedn with Cullen. Sure he looks good, but he embodies most players' own player characters. Romancing him would be like romancing your own character, except with a different gender and - in most people's cases - a better looking version. There are some shockers I've seen on the web and the BSN.

I want companions that DON'T remind me of my own character. How boring! I don't think any of my DA characters have romanced someone not unlike themselves. My City Elf doesn't believe in the Maker, and yet he romanced Leliana. My female Human Noble romanced Alistair, and she was almost completely different (confident, keen on being royalty, etc.). The most interesting relationship one of my characters has had with a companion, is my evil aggressive blood mage Hawke romancing Fenris, in spite of the fact that she embodies most everything he hates about mages.

Seriously, why would you WANT to romance Cullen? I mean, it's not like BioWare can't come up with another male heart-throb. One that ISN'T a templar shy around women he's attracted to.

I can only think of a single character of mine that reminded me of Cullen if even a little bit, and I created her with someone like him in mind.

Yeah same here.

[VampOrchid]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

Considering how extreme he can be on Mages, girls still love him and want him. Why is this?

I'm not a girl and Greg Ellis' voice doesn't do anything for me.

That being said. I like Cullen.

In DA:O he's kinda...totally... broken by the mage thing. He's an extremist who in the now retconned Annulment epilogue in Origins went on to be a cruel Knight Commander. This was perfectly within his character as we knew him in Origins.

When you meet him in DA2 he's still got that streak in him. He has a line of dialogue early on praising Meredith's ability to see the demon instead of the person in mages. He's still an extremist.

But living and working in Kirkwall for 8 years and seeing Meredith's abuse of power... he changes. And by the end of DA2 he's standing up to Meredith (twice if you support the Templars since he doesn't want to kill the surrendering mages).

He's seen the massive abuses of power that the mages and templars are capable of. He's gone from fresh faced Templar in the Mage Origin to huge anti-Mage guy to defending Mages and Hawke against the Templars.

That's a guy who has seen a lot and changed a lot for it. And I'm willing to bet he's looking for meaning. He's looking for a way to set things right. Power can be extremely dangerous and he now realizes that doesn't mean just magical power.

As far as companion characters go... that's an interesting past for a guy to have. And I'm looking forward to seeing where Cullen ends up as a character.

You my friend, have a good point! See, you don't have to be a fan girl to appreciate him.

[Renmiri1]

As an Anders mancer and very pro mage you wouldn't expect to hear me fangirl over Cullen but I do.

First Greg Ellis. Can't deny that he has a sexy voice. I loven Adam Howden (Anders on dA2) to bits and prefer his Anders but Greg is awesome as Cullen. And reasnably good as Anders on DAA.

Second the character itself is so well written! Cullen is one of the few DA characters that grows and changes radically during both games, without needing to merge with a spirit to do it. I really admire his integrity. He only does and only supports what he believes in. In the sense he is the same as my beloved demon possessed mage so even if he is a Templar he earns my respect.

Third he stops Meredith and let Hawke go in the end of DA2, and is pretty decent with Bethany at the end of Act 1. So even though he saw first hand what bad mages can do, he still remains pretty fair. I admire that.

His character is very well written, he looks good and his VA is awesome. What is not to like?

Modifié par Renmiri1, 20 septembre 2012 - 02:32 .

[Parmida]

The poor man needs lovin'...

[VampOrchid]

Parmida wrote...

The poor man needs lovin'...

agreed

[CuriousArtemis]

I think Cullen's a great character. Sure, he's really good-looking, but so are all the LIs. I would like him to be a LI because I find him interesting, and I'm curious to see how his character will continue to evolve with this franchise.

I'm not sure why people create threads like this, but sometimes I do feel compelled to reply to them so that the devs know they do have A LOT of people out there who love and admire the work they've done (whether it be writing, graphics, etc.)

[LolaLei]

Parmida wrote...

The poor man needs lovin'...

I'm not gonna lie, I'd like to see him stike it lucky and find a bit of happiness for once in his miserable life. Preferably with my new protagonist in DA3. What can I say? I'm rather attached to our pixelated characters!

[Renmiri1]

I would love to have Cullen and Evangeline, good merciful and respectable Templars in my party. And of course some mages too

[Parmida]

LolaLei wrote...

Parmida wrote...

The poor man needs lovin'...

I'm not gonna lie, I'd like to see him stike it lucky and find a bit of happiness for once in his miserable life. Preferably with my new protagonist in DA3. What can I say? I'm rather attached to our pixelated characters!

[AbsoluteApril]

Battlebloodmage wrote...
He's not a tool like Fenris who just blames mages for everything.

he doesn't blame mages, he blames magic. Plus, that's part of the whole 'growth of this character' through the game, that Hawke can start to change his views. imo. anyways sorry, I know, this is about Cullen but I couldn't let that go by.

I really like Cullen, plus he's been a DA staple (like Flemmeth, Sandal) it would be very surprising if it's NOT in DA3:I in some form. As has been stated many times, he's got a lot of potential. I don't mind if he's not an LI but I wouldn't pass him up either. (hooray for DA:O Cullen Romance Mod)

[CuriousArtemis]

April, don't bother; people who post such things are either just looking to get a rise out of that character's fans or they just weren't mentally and emotionally capable of comprehending the incredible effort that went into creating that character's personality and evolution throughout the narrative.

It's in the same camp as the "Isabela's just a s-l-u-t" camp.

[Zombie_Alexis]

I thought Cullen was a little oogie in the first game, but I really like how they fleshed him out in DA2. I wouldn't mind seeing what they do with him in DAI if he is indeed going to be a companion. And yes, I'll definitely romance him. There's so much potential there.

[Sable Rhapsody]

motomotogirl wrote...

April, don't bother; people who post such things are either just looking to get a rise out of that character's fans or they just weren't mentally and emotionally capable of comprehending the incredible effort that went into creating that character's personality and evolution throughout the narrative.

Or maybe they're just curious.

I honestly found him distubing in DA:O (though I did sympathize with his plight).  I liked him much better in DA2, and while I get his appeal, I'm not into him myself.

[AbsoluteApril]

motomotogirl wrote...
It's in the same camp as the "Isabela's just a s-l-u-t" camp.

you have a point.
it's hard to resist responding sometimes. Maybe part of it is the fact that I don't hate any characters, sure, there's ones I don't 'like' or that I may find annoying, but I apprecaite them for being what they are.

[Orian Tabris]

LolaLei wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

I don't get why girls are so obsessed with Cullen. Sure he looks good, but he embodies most players' own player characters. Romancing him would be like romancing your own character, except with a different gender and - in most people's cases - a better looking version. There are some shockers I've seen on the web and the BSN.

I want companions that DON'T remind me of my own character. How boring! I don't think any of my DA characters have romanced someone not unlike themselves. My City Elf doesn't believe in the Maker, and yet he romanced Leliana. My female Human Noble romanced Alistair, and she was almost completely different (confident, keen on being royalty, etc.). The most interesting relationship one of my characters has had with a companion, is my evil aggressive blood mage Hawke romancing Fenris, in spite of the fact that she embodies most everything he hates about mages.

Seriously, why would you WANT to romance Cullen? I mean, it's not like BioWare can't come up with another male heart-throb. One that ISN'T a templar shy around women he's attracted to.

I can only think of a single character of mine that reminded me of Cullen if even a little bit, and I created her with someone like him in mind.

Ditto!

OK, so maybe players won't have a character exactly like Cullen, but what I was referring to, was his views on mages. Many people play at least one character who views mages the same way Cullen does: based on what the mages in question do. It's understandable that in Origins he viewed mages in a similar way to Fenris, but that was based on a bad experience. In DA2 he realised that not all mages are evil, and the templars are just as bad, if not worst (at least in Kirkwall) than the mages they attempt to control, based on what Hawke and Meredith do.

Most people side with mages automatically, but you always see some mages as threats, and how dangerous they can be (for example: Uldred, various blood mages in Kirkwall, etc.). Cullen was against mages in DA:O, but in DA2 he judges them based on character, not on magical capabilities. Maybe it's hard to explain, but not everyone plays a mage hating character. Unless you thought I meant Cullen embodies everything about a person's PC. I really meant their views on mages. I felt no need to go on and on about mages, since it's a thread about Cullen as a person, not as a templar. Hopefully this post makes sense.

My underlying point, is that Cullen is not the only male heart-throb that gets female players' motors running. There's also Alistair for example. People compare Anders to Alistair (me too), but I think the whole character is much more like Cullen. Besides, with the similarities between those three characters, 2 of which are romance-possible companions, who needs ANOTHER one in DA3?

Modifié par Orian Tabris, 20 septembre 2012 - 03:14 .

[LolaLei]

I loved Alistair too but he's with my Warden, I wouldn't want him back as a companion.

As for Cullen, it's hard to say because we don't really know what his personality is like (beyond a professional manner). BUT, that's why I'd like him as a romancable companion, because his personality could go any number of ways.

[Renmiri1]

I see Anders and Cullen as similar in the sense that they are both marked by their traumatizing past and they both refuse to work or join causes they don't believe.

But in a sense Cullen is more mature than Anders (and miles more mature than Alistair) as he can overcome personal trauma and PSTD and see wrongdoings on Templars and show mercy to mages. On DAO right after his ordeal he couldn't but on DA2 he is willing to show some mercy even in Act 1.

I'd love to have him on DA3, he is a very interesting character. My Hawke would never leave her Anders and my new PC will probably be 100% pro mage but I wouldn't rule out having him on the team or rolling a pro Templar character to get some Cullen love 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 20 septembre 2012 - 03:48 .

[R2s Muse]

Orian Tabris wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

I don't get why girls are so obsessed with Cullen. Sure he looks good, but he embodies most players' own player characters. Romancing him would be like romancing your own character, except with a different gender and - in most people's cases - a better looking version. There are some shockers I've seen on the web and the BSN.

I want companions that DON'T remind me of my own character. How boring! I don't think any of my DA characters have romanced someone not unlike themselves. My City Elf doesn't believe in the Maker, and yet he romanced Leliana. My female Human Noble romanced Alistair, and she was almost completely different (confident, keen on being royalty, etc.). The most interesting relationship one of my characters has had with a companion, is my evil aggressive blood mage Hawke romancing Fenris, in spite of the fact that she embodies most everything he hates about mages.

Seriously, why would you WANT to romance Cullen? I mean, it's not like BioWare can't come up with another male heart-throb. One that ISN'T a templar shy around women he's attracted to.

I can only think of a single character of mine that reminded me of Cullen if even a little bit, and I created her with someone like him in mind.

Ditto!

OK, so maybe players won't have a character exactly like Cullen, but what I was referring to, was his views on mages. Many people play at least one character who views mages the same way Cullen does: based on what the mages in question do. It's understandable that in Origins he viewed mages in a similar way to Fenris, but that was based on a bad experience. In DA2 he realised that not all mages are evil, and the templars are just as bad, if not worst (at least in Kirkwall) than the mages they attempt to control, based on what Hawke and Meredith do.

Most people side with mages automatically, but you always see some mages as threats, and how dangerous they can be (for example: Uldred, various blood mages in Kirkwall, etc.). Cullen was against mages in DA:O, but in DA2 he judges them based on character, not on magical capabilities. Maybe it's hard to explain, but not everyone plays a mage hating character. Unless you thought I meant Cullen embodies everything about a person's PC. I really meant their views on mages. I felt no need to go on and on about mages, since it's a thread about Cullen as a person, not as a templar. Hopefully this post makes sense.

My underlying point, is that Cullen is not the only male heart-throb that gets female players' motors running. There's also Alistair for example. People compare Anders to Alistair (me too), but I think the whole character is much more like Cullen. Besides, with the similarities between those three characters, 2 of which are romance-possible companions, who needs ANOTHER one in DA3?

Hmm, I think I see now; interesting points. I think what many of us, and certainly me, were saying is that there are lots of male heart throbs and most LIs end up being heart throbs almost by definition. But that's not the reason he would be interesting to have as a companion. With respect to his views of mages being typical or identical to most pro-mage PCs, I invite you to spend some time on the Cullen thread when a pro-mage hater comes by. LOL  I think what's interesting about him is that his views are far from typical. He's literally gone all over the spectrum, from sympathizer to hater to somewhere in between.

I think the somewhere in between is what it would be interesting to explore.

For example, I'd be very suprised if Cullen thought all mages should be totally free of the Circle. When he talks about what he believes the Order stands for when the three mages surrender in the pro-templar ending, he tells Meredith that the Circle isn't irredeemable, as it was in Fereldan, and that any spared mages should be watched. Not wiped out, but not necessarily freed either. I would wager he still recognizes that mages can be dangerous; he is after all still the same character that in Act 1 called them weapons. But, if there are no more Circles in DA3 and the Order now hunts mages instead of watches over them... where does Cullen  then stand on the mage issue?  Recreate and reform the Circles? Follow a new Lambertian Templar Order and kill them all? Go crazy and head for the hills (becoming a reclusive Andrastian monk with his own interpretation of the Chant)?

Anyhoo, these are some of the reasons why I think Cullen's views on mages are interesting and certainly far from boring and typical. There's lots of turf to explore that I think, in turn, would provide insight into the political landscape of a post-DA2 Thedas.

[llandwynwyn]

Karlone123 wrote...

Considering how extreme he can be on Mages, girls still love him and want him. Why is this?

He's hot and has a sexy voice. Some think his crush on the Warden was sweet.

I think having Cullen show his face is nice but I really, really don't want him as a companion.

[FenrirBlackDragon]

I think he might be an interesting companion. I hope seeing both extremes of Templars and Mages will temper him, and give him some juicy personal conflict to work out that will deepen his character. I was never a fangirl myself, but I can appreciate that he had an affection for the female mage warden (who is #1 of my 3 DA canons), although I picked "I shouldn't distract you from your duties" and was quite pleased with the resulting dialogue.

I am more interested in Cullen for the fact he has so much potential. He's been in two games now, and even though he hasn't had a lot of screen-time, he has a lot to work with if they decide to make him a companion.I'm not one way or the other for making him an LI, but I would really look forward to what he would have to say about himself and his experiences.

[xxBabyMonkeyxx]

Not from me. The only thing I want Cullen for is to slap him upside the head. I've been wanting to do that since DAO.